French Doom9 - Page 2

SHiSo · 24th June 2002, 20:38

ok fix

goof · 24th June 2002, 21:03

pour les redirections
a mon avis si il paye sur doom9 il a peut-etre acces a la config du serveur et vue que c un apache il peut definir des "virtualhost" (genre fr.doom9.org) et faire une redirection (avec PHP c simple) ou une frame qui charge la version traduite dedans
en tout cas ca prendrait que une seule page sur son serveur par version ou au pire un repertoire fr dans la racine (http://www.doom9.org/fr/) avec le fichier susnomé.
C'est que des idées vous faite ce que vous voulez.

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BlackSun · 25th June 2002, 14:10

Ben y a dejà http://french.doom9.net ou .org.

ShiSo: mail moi a blacksun@doom9.net pour que j'oublie pas d'envoyer les traductions demain matin stp

goof · 25th June 2002, 19:30

j'avais vu mais je crois que c pas généralisé a tous les projets de traduction (espagnol et anglais je crois)

goof · 25th June 2002, 19:31

ct pas anglais mais allemand.

en plus si ct geré en php (avec une frame et d'autres trucs) chaque projet de traduction pourais gerer son alias

Scipio · 25th June 2002, 19:54

C pas juste:

tous les trois projects ont maintenant leurs propres adresses:

http://german.doom9.net
http://french.doom9.net
http://spanish.doom9.net

Mais c'est ne qu'un redirecteur... (si c'est l'expression correcte en Francais...)

epere4 · 25th June 2002, 20:01

Don´t use the http://spanish.doom9.net/ or http://spanish.doom9.org/ adresses.
They make the Spanish Site to give an Runtime Error (at least in my computer and on another I tested that).
The problem is with one of my stats counter. I don´t know why the redirector makes that error to appear (it doesn´t appear in the normal url).
I don´t want to take that stats counter out because it gives me information about where the visitors are coming from (from which url, I mean) and it is in Spanish.

goof · 25th June 2002, 22:51

i don't have the runtime error on the spanish redirector.

je suis d'accord pour dire que le truc en haut est trop gros (du moins en hauteur)
pour les redirection ct parce que elle n'etaient pas encore utilisé dans les news du site qui mettait des liens vers les sites direct au lieux des redirections.
en tout cas moi ca deconne pas la redirection espagnole
poue le mot redirectoir je crois que c sufisament disgracieux pour pouvoir etre remplacé par redirection mais bon on est pas a l'acadmie francaise (ils voulaient remplacer "virus" par "portion de code infectieuse engendrant un mauvais fonctionnement du systeme")

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epere4 · 26th June 2002, 04:46

@All project´s webmasters:

I suggest that if you put a link to an article that it is in English (or any other language that it´s not yours), you put a link to an automátically generated translated page. You can use translators as Altavista or Google (or whatever, there must be lots of these translators) to generate an URL of the translation page.

For example, the page of project Theora can be seen here in Spanish, here in German and here in French.
The translations aren´t that good, off course, but they are a good an easy service we can provide to the readers.
By the way, using these translators is the only way I can read your posts. You could write in English so everybody could understand, don´t you think? I would appreciate that, thanks.

goof · 26th June 2002, 08:07

as i think the translation are from the english articles from Doom9 in english so i think that most people that use computer to create a DIVX or VCD or wathever else can understand a minimum part of the english articles a real traduction is better and don't take too much time (2-3 h i think) so if many people are workink together it will not take too much time.

The altavista translator is not realy good beacause it translate also some technicals word with comon word in frensh.
i never tried the google one.

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epere4 · 26th June 2002, 15:34

@goof: I cannot assume everybody can understand a little bit of English, and before we finish translating the original Doom9´s site, we cannot spend time translating articles from other sites (besides, we would need permission).
That´s why I put the link to an automatically tranlated page. But I agree with you that Altavista translator (Google is pretty much the same thing) translate technical words into some horrible ones. Anyway, I put both a link to the original article, and a link to the translated one.

BlackSun · 3rd July 2002, 07:55

Alors Shisho ça avance la traduction ? les autres prennent de l'avance !

Dark-Cracker · 3rd July 2002, 08:27

Frenchy Connection !!!

juste un petit mot d'encouragement pour le mirror en francais, c kool de voir des frenchy motivés

bonne chance , trés joli site avec un bon design continuez comme ca !

Ps: FakerZ joli logo

________________________

English Connection : héhé : Translation in progress ........

bye.

Doom9 · 3rd July 2002, 09:33

there's 2 things I need from the people running the translation.. I sent a pm with that to sisho 2 days ago.. no reply so far.

first of all the look will have to correspond to mine. It's not a design contenst out there but a branding issue.. people will have to feel immediately at home if they go to a different language mirror. the spanish translation already took my design and horestes agreed to change it (and make it less translator friendly) once most of the work has been done. second there needs to be some collaboration mechanisms and way to see how far the translation has progressed.. both the spanish and german pages have done that.

the same also goes for the portugese translation (pm sent on june 28th to downloaders, no reply to far).. and there we have the additional difficulty that some of their left frame links have to be removed...

BlackSun · 3rd July 2002, 10:02

100% agreed, a french translation MUST have the same look and feel as the original one. The french translation is slooooooooow and the logo is too big (not that I don't like it). Lot of people like me can only browse in 800x600 so far and french.doom9.net is inbrowsable for me.

inoteb · 3rd July 2002, 13:48

@SHiSo
Je t'avais envoyé un mail il y a quelques temps te proposant mon aide, en particulier pour le forum français et éventuellement pour des traductions. Pas eu de réponse... L'offre tient toujours

inoteb ;-]

SHiSo · 3rd July 2002, 14:02

BlackSun : http://reno.dess.free.fr/TEST/ regarde à cette url et dis moi si ca va mieux en 800x600 merci

Doom9 : why do u wanna keep the original design ? i dont understand ... [ Well POOL to keep or not the french design ]
i dont want to change it ...

Doom9 · 3rd July 2002, 22:54

@sisho: quite simply.. have you ever heard about branding? I give you an example.. if you go to a Mc Donalds in NY or in Paris.. they will pretty much look the same... so people on holidays will always feel right at home. if somebody types french.doom9.org in his browser he must get www.doom9.org, just translated to french. The look and feel must be the same on all translated pages so that people knowing my site can switch to a translated version without any additional effort.

I cannot have translated versions of my pages that look completely different. If there's a design change it will first happen on www.doom9.org, then on the language mirrors.

SHiSo · 4th July 2002, 18:30

well mail me the .zip of doom9 and i 'll change all this we
but instead of ur news i put php script, look the same and is more simply to add a news

Scipio · 4th July 2002, 18:44

Shiso, you'll have to stay up-to-date later, too.
Doom9 can't mail you the whole page everytime...
so I suggest you have a look at the Translation Guidelines (that's the second sticky thread here - there's other info, too).

The tool "Offline Explorer" ist very nice for mirroring doom9.org (you can set filters in order not to download all zip-files or other stuff you don't need)...

If you don't mind, I'd like to take that PHP script, too...
But I wonder if Swede's server supports PHP - what do you think Doom9?

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BlackSun CoreCodec Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toulouse Posts: 726	Ben y a dejà http://french.doom9.net ou .org. ShiSo: mail moi a blacksun@doom9.net pour que j'oublie pas d'envoyer les traductions demain matin stp __________________ BlackSun The Concentric Circles of Audio and Video

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Scipio translation mod Join Date: May 2002 Location: http://german.doom9.org/ Posts: 284	C pas juste: tous les trois projects ont maintenant leurs propres adresses: http://german.doom9.net http://french.doom9.net http://spanish.doom9.net Mais c'est ne qu'un redirecteur... (si c'est l'expression correcte en Francais...) __________________ [Translation Guidelines] - [Overview of Doom9 translation mirrors] - - - [German Doom9] When arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same.

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epere4 Doom9 in Spanish Team Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Trenque Lauquen - Bs As - Argentina Posts: 244	Don´t use the http://spanish.doom9.net/ or http://spanish.doom9.org/ adresses. They make the Spanish Site to give an Runtime Error (at least in my computer and on another I tested that). The problem is with one of my stats counter. I don´t know why the redirector makes that error to appear (it doesn´t appear in the normal url). I don´t want to take that stats counter out because it gives me information about where the visitors are coming from (from which url, I mean) and it is in Spanish. __________________ epere4 Doom9 in Spanish [Site] - [Forum] Get DVobSub 2.23 and VobSub 2.23 in Spanish

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epere4 Doom9 in Spanish Team Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Trenque Lauquen - Bs As - Argentina Posts: 244	@All project´s webmasters: I suggest that if you put a link to an article that it is in English (or any other language that it´s not yours), you put a link to an automátically generated translated page. You can use translators as Altavista or Google (or whatever, there must be lots of these translators) to generate an URL of the translation page. For example, the page of project Theora can be seen here in Spanish, here in German and here in French. The translations aren´t that good, off course, but they are a good an easy service we can provide to the readers. By the way, using these translators is the only way I can read your posts. You could write in English so everybody could understand, don´t you think? I would appreciate that, thanks. __________________ epere4 Doom9 in Spanish [Site] - [Forum] Get DVobSub 2.23 and VobSub 2.23 in Spanish Last edited by epere4; 26th June 2002 at 04:50.

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epere4 Doom9 in Spanish Team Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Trenque Lauquen - Bs As - Argentina Posts: 244	@goof: I cannot assume everybody can understand a little bit of English, and before we finish translating the original Doom9´s site, we cannot spend time translating articles from other sites (besides, we would need permission). That´s why I put the link to an automatically tranlated page. But I agree with you that Altavista translator (Google is pretty much the same thing) translate technical words into some horrible ones. Anyway, I put both a link to the original article, and a link to the translated one. __________________ epere4 Doom9 in Spanish [Site] - [Forum] Get DVobSub 2.23 and VobSub 2.23 in Spanish

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SHiSo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16	ok fix

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goof Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 13	pour les redirections a mon avis si il paye sur doom9 il a peut-etre acces a la config du serveur et vue que c un apache il peut definir des "virtualhost" (genre fr.doom9.org) et faire une redirection (avec PHP c simple) ou une frame qui charge la version traduite dedans en tout cas ca prendrait que une seule page sur son serveur par version ou au pire un repertoire fr dans la racine (http://www.doom9.org/fr/) avec le fichier susnomé. C'est que des idées vous faite ce que vous voulez. a+

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goof Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 13	j'avais vu mais je crois que c pas généralisé a tous les projets de traduction (espagnol et anglais je crois)

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goof Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 13	ct pas anglais mais allemand. en plus si ct geré en php (avec une frame et d'autres trucs) chaque projet de traduction pourais gerer son alias

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goof Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 13	i don't have the runtime error on the spanish redirector. je suis d'accord pour dire que le truc en haut est trop gros (du moins en hauteur) pour les redirection ct parce que elle n'etaient pas encore utilisé dans les news du site qui mettait des liens vers les sites direct au lieux des redirections. en tout cas moi ca deconne pas la redirection espagnole poue le mot redirectoir je crois que c sufisament disgracieux pour pouvoir etre remplacé par redirection mais bon on est pas a l'acadmie francaise (ils voulaient remplacer "virus" par "portion de code infectieuse engendrant un mauvais fonctionnement du systeme") a+

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goof Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 13	as i think the translation are from the english articles from Doom9 in english so i think that most people that use computer to create a DIVX or VCD or wathever else can understand a minimum part of the english articles a real traduction is better and don't take too much time (2-3 h i think) so if many people are workink together it will not take too much time. The altavista translator is not realy good beacause it translate also some technicals word with comon word in frensh. i never tried the google one. a+

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BlackSun CoreCodec Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toulouse Posts: 726	Alors Shisho ça avance la traduction ? les autres prennent de l'avance ! __________________ BlackSun The Concentric Circles of Audio and Video

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Dark-Cracker Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,195	Frenchy Connection !!! juste un petit mot d'encouragement pour le mirror en francais, c kool de voir des frenchy motivés bonne chance , trés joli site avec un bon design continuez comme ca ! Ps: FakerZ joli logo ________________________ English Connection : héhé : Translation in progress ........ bye. __________________ AutoDub v1.8 : Divx3/4/5 & Xvid Video codec and .OGG/.MP3/.AC3/.WMA audio codec. AutoRV10 v1.0 : Use RealVideo 10 Codec and support 2 Audio Streams and Subtitles.

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Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,579	there's 2 things I need from the people running the translation.. I sent a pm with that to sisho 2 days ago.. no reply so far. first of all the look will have to correspond to mine. It's not a design contenst out there but a branding issue.. people will have to feel immediately at home if they go to a different language mirror. the spanish translation already took my design and horestes agreed to change it (and make it less translator friendly) once most of the work has been done. second there needs to be some collaboration mechanisms and way to see how far the translation has progressed.. both the spanish and german pages have done that. the same also goes for the portugese translation (pm sent on june 28th to downloaders, no reply to far).. and there we have the additional difficulty that some of their left frame links have to be removed... __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

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BlackSun CoreCodec Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Toulouse Posts: 726	100% agreed, a french translation MUST have the same look and feel as the original one. The french translation is slooooooooow and the logo is too big (not that I don't like it). Lot of people like me can only browse in 800x600 so far and french.doom9.net is inbrowsable for me. __________________ BlackSun The Concentric Circles of Audio and Video

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inoteb OggMedia addict Join Date: May 2002 Location: Palladia Tolosa (France) Posts: 86	@SHiSo Je t'avais envoyé un mail il y a quelques temps te proposant mon aide, en particulier pour le forum français et éventuellement pour des traductions. Pas eu de réponse... L'offre tient toujours inoteb ;-] __________________ Black dogs are barking at the door ;-] --- TCMP ! TCMP ! TCMP !

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SHiSo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16	BlackSun : http://reno.dess.free.fr/TEST/ regarde à cette url et dis moi si ca va mieux en 800x600 merci Doom9 : why do u wanna keep the original design ? i dont understand ... [ Well POOL to keep or not the french design ] i dont want to change it ... Last edited by SHiSo; 3rd July 2002 at 14:10.

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Doom9 clueless n00b Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: somewhere over the rainbow Posts: 10,579	@sisho: quite simply.. have you ever heard about branding? I give you an example.. if you go to a Mc Donalds in NY or in Paris.. they will pretty much look the same... so people on holidays will always feel right at home. if somebody types french.doom9.org in his browser he must get www.doom9.org, just translated to french. The look and feel must be the same on all translated pages so that people knowing my site can switch to a translated version without any additional effort. I cannot have translated versions of my pages that look completely different. If there's a design change it will first happen on www.doom9.org, then on the language mirrors. __________________ For the web's most comprehensive collection of DVD backup guides go to www.doom9.org

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SHiSo Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16	well mail me the .zip of doom9 and i 'll change all this we but instead of ur news i put php script, look the same and is more simply to add a news

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Scipio translation mod Join Date: May 2002 Location: http://german.doom9.org/ Posts: 284	Shiso, you'll have to stay up-to-date later, too. Doom9 can't mail you the whole page everytime... so I suggest you have a look at the Translation Guidelines (that's the second sticky thread here - there's other info, too). The tool "Offline Explorer" ist very nice for mirroring doom9.org (you can set filters in order not to download all zip-files or other stuff you don't need)... If you don't mind, I'd like to take that PHP script, too... But I wonder if Swede's server supports PHP - what do you think Doom9? __________________ [Translation Guidelines] - [Overview of Doom9 translation mirrors] - - - [German Doom9] When arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same.