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23rd October 2012, 16:26 | #15022 | Link |
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Put another way: sRGB thins out light features more than Lab, which thins them out more than sigmoidized light: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/fil...pling_examples. Linear RGB makes light features "fat" when using a filter with a significant negative lobe.
The "offending party" in the housetop test image is light halo. So, "thinning out light features" leads to a better result. Last edited by NicolasRobidoux; 23rd October 2012 at 16:30. |
23rd October 2012, 17:05 | #15023 | Link |
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You knew that Sandy Bridge has a built-in algorithm which can roughly be described as an AntiRing system? http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...81#post1551981 Last edited by NicolasRobidoux; 23rd October 2012 at 17:17. |
23rd October 2012, 17:55 | #15024 | Link | |
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For calibration though, you might want to use the AVS HD MP4 package: http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs...p4-calibration |
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23rd October 2012, 20:39 | #15027 | Link |
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Supposedly there will be sets from Samsung and LG by the end of the year, but I am skeptical, as they have shown very little, and they keep getting pushed back.
I don't think OLED panels are going to be as perfect as everyone is expecting either. Motion handling will be great. (excellent if they implement interpolation and black frame insertion) Viewing angles will be good and potentially great, depending on the panel design. At best, they will match Plasma. (which is already excellent) At the very least, I would expect them to have similar power/brightness-limiting functions to Plasma TVs, and potentially crosstalk. (I have seen it on other OLED displays, but nothing that size) Color gamut is going to be super-saturated out of the box, and I wonder if they will actually implement an adequate CMS for accurate BT.709 color reproduction. Image retention/burn-in is of course a concern with these displays. Neither the Samsung nor LG displays that have been announced have standard RGB stripe pixel structures, so they aren't suited to being used as a monitor. (fine for video and probably games) Both sets are 1080p, and for what they cost, I would want a 4K panel. Neither are using that "zero reflection" glass that has been demoed by a few companies earlier this year. (including Sharp who have actually shown it on a working display) They will hopefully have industry-leading contrast performance, though OLED does not guarantee it. Sony's OLED headset only has 10,000:1 contrast for example (5,000:1 when calibrated to reference levels) which is no better than a high end plasma. I think it will be at least 2015 before OLEDs are actually starting to become affordable, and they work out the bugs that are inevitable from a first generation product. |
23rd October 2012, 21:15 | #15028 | Link |
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Now that LAV will do DVDs, I'm wondering whether the quality is the same? None (weave) in lav video (pass on to gpu) vs DXVA2 in madvr, or should they be identical?
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24th October 2012, 09:14 | #15029 | Link | |
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What do you mean by this? |
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24th October 2012, 09:55 | #15030 | Link | |
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It does not mean this visual effect is eliminated on hold-type display devices with < 1ms response time... This is also why impulse-type display devices (Ex: CRT/PDP) often produce higher motion object's resolution... |
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24th October 2012, 11:28 | #15031 | Link | |
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I had gpu-z running in the background while watching a 720p BR rip movie upscaled on my 1080p display. Latest LAV with CUVID. This with Jinc4 AR for chroma and Lanczos4 AR for image. Here are the max stats: Temperature: 54 C Memory used: 473 MB GPU load: 47% Memory controller load: 17% Video engine load: 12% Thought you might find it useful.
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24th October 2012, 11:52 | #15033 | Link |
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There really is no "better" but I think most pros here would choose to go with Lanczos3AR over Jinc3 but it really depends on how nitpicky you want to be about ringing. Take a screenshot of each and compare for yourself.
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24th October 2012, 12:24 | #15034 | Link | |
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And the board is in its highest clocks settings? Kazuya tells me that Jinc4 AR chroma+luma only does spikes to 29% on his HD4850. Last edited by leeperry; 24th October 2012 at 14:00. |
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24th October 2012, 15:04 | #15035 | Link | |
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So basically it will be a few days until I get a new one. I find it really strange if he claims Jinc4 AR chroma+luma max is 29% with a HD 4850 for 720p -> 1080p... http://www.hwcompare.com/13397/gefor...n-hd-4850-1gb/ edit: Actually I never checked which performance state the GPU was in. Should have fired up gpu-z after a minute or so I guess. So you can discard my numbers for now.
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24th October 2012, 15:40 | #15036 | Link |
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While we are talking about TV's, just wanted to say that I absolutely adore my Panasonic P50-UT50.
For ~800 dollars I don't think any LCD (or other Plasma, for that matter) comes close. I run a black background on the TV and I can barely tell that it's on when the room is completely dark. The bezel is the same color as the bars when watching widescreen films. Handles motion perfectly; unlike large LCDs in remotely similar price range. Drawbacks; of course; burn-in, IR, reflective as hell --> don't watch it in a bright room and don't leave anything on the screen. Anyway, just wanted to throw in my recommendation for 2012 Panny's; especially the UT50 and its more expensive cousins. Looks gorgeous with MadVR. |
24th October 2012, 18:13 | #15037 | Link |
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Behold, the best TV as of yet: http://elitelcdtv.com/elite-lcd-hdtv-overview/
Of course I love my Panasonic TC-P65V10 but the next TV I'm going to buy will probably be an OLED when they're bigger and in the right price range. |
24th October 2012, 18:54 | #15038 | Link |
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Ok so apparently the last couple of madVR versions don't acknowledge the ICC profile set by Windows...it used to consider it in previous versions of madVR though. I think it has to do with madVR's new behavior where it resets Direct3D or something like that because the screen flickers when I resize videos into fullscreen exclusive mode and before the last couple of versions madVR didn't do that.
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This is why modern LCDs with scanning backlights can have essentially zero motion blur. OLED is similar to LCD in that it is a sample-and-hold display technology if it's not using black frame insertion. Interpolation will still be necessary because 24p is not nearly a high enough framerate to perceive fluid motion. (native 24p judders a lot on panning) Both CRTs and Plasma flicker. (in many cases, a Plasma can actually flicker more than CRT) LED backlight scanning operating at 240Hz+ should have no, or almost no perceptible flicker relative to either of these technologies. There's no reason OLED couldn't be more like LCDs with LED backlight scanning, rather than being more like CRT/Plasma. LG are using RGBW subpixels, and Samsung appear to be using a vertical subpixel arrangement. Neither of these are suited to use as a monitor, which expects horizontally arranged RGB stripes. Quote:
You need to use an external CMS with one of these for good color reproduction, and even then I don't know that it's worth it. Sharp make good LCD panels, but bad TVs. (though I would avoid anything using a Quattron UV2A panel rather than an RGB UV2A panel) |
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