madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted)

[huhn]

Row-interleaved is a display mode not a HDMI 1.4 frame packed 3D delivery mode.

your TV supports the same types of 3D delivery as all other and newer LG sceens.

65EG960V specs= http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-65EG960V
your specs= http://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-47LM620T-3d-tv

the 3d specs are identical.

the cyberlink BD 3D advisor is telling me my TV doesn't support 3D so just ignore cyberlink.

frame packed is a HDMI 1.4 only feature and it isn't Row-interleaved.

[Aleksoid1978]

But - how PowerDVD/TMT can output 3D in window ?? For this i don't need enable 3D on TV. Open 3D BD in PowerDVD/TMT and look in 3D . I think it's a frame packing 3D.

[Aleksoid1978]

Something interest - in instruction for LG TV is writing:
1280x720p - 59.94 Hz / 50 Hz - support Frame Packing.
1920x1080p - 24 Hz / 30 Hz - support Frame Packing.

[jkauff]

Any chance of moving the madVR/LAV 3D discussion to a separate thread? Four pages today and it seems like there are still many outstanding questions.

[Nullack]

Ok fellow Nvidia/Windows users some points if like me your having crashes/problems with MVC 3D that arent madVR issues, like Nvidia driver crashes in their DLL

A new hotfix driver is out. Im not yet into regression testing it, that will come later today. Here it is:

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answ...tail/a_id/3832

Also anyone on Windows 10 specifically, in MS's new managed service release model there is a new windows build pushed out beyond windows insiders. MS dont say whats changed / fixed in this new build. I'm gunna use both the new driver and this new update as my baseline for the next regression test.

Also nvidia wont be debugging my reports to them further until I can demonstrate I no longer have windows component store corruption. Im in the process of fixing it via DISM but so far DISM isnt playing nice with online sources of windows components. So you guys having problems, maybe have a look in an elevated admin command prompt with something like "sfc /scannow" to establish if your free of corruption. There is allot of middleware layers and OS layers to the stack and they said they wont look at it further till Ive fixed mine up.

[SamuriHL]

Hotfix driver changed absolutely nothing for me.

[4h4h270]

One interesting thing I notice is madvr told me my sony hmz-t2 edid verion is 1.3 which only use with hdmi 1.0-1.3c, but powerdvd shows it's hdmi 1.4 enabled 3D TV and works fine in 3D playback.

[huhn]

Originally Posted by Aleksoid1978

Something interest - in instruction for LG TV is writing:
1280x720p - 59.94 Hz / 50 Hz - support Frame Packing.
1920x1080p - 24 Hz / 30 Hz - support Frame Packing.

yes my screen switches to 23p too yet another hdmi limitation.

[MistahBonzai]

Originally Posted by MistahBonzai
Originally Posted by MistahBonzai View Post
To those running the v0.90 update with MPC-HC x64. Please check that the MadVR refinement settings (like sharpen and such) appear on the screen upon selection. Mine only display their effects after selecting OK and continuing with the video. Upon rechecking I see that this glitch also occurs in my MadVR x86. It seems to be connected to the v0.90 upgrade - at least this is when it first occured for me. MPC-BE/MadVR v0.90 works fine. If someone joins me here I'll provide specifics. As it is I'm running Win 7 64-bit/sp1, HD 7850 (15.7.1) and all the latest related plug-ins from the nightlies.


Update: 1/11/2016
Completely uninstalled madVR v0.90.1 (ran uninstall.bat, reset settings, deleted folder...) and installed madVR v0.89.19. With MPC-HC 1.7.10.56 (nightly) the issue is resolved. Updated to madVR v0.90.1 and the issue is back - MPC-BE works as expected in both cases. Downgraded to madVR v0.89.19 (copied new files over old ones after running uninstall.bat) and all is well. I'm stumped...

madshi says:
To make sure I got it right: The issue is that changing settings isn't visible on screen until you unpause the video, correct? Can you please create a debug log for me by doing this:

1) Pause the video.
2) Wait 20 seconds doing nothing (so that I know where to look in the debug log).
3) Change a setting so that madVR *should* change the image but doesn't.
4) Close the media player immediately.

Done: Link: http://www.mediafire.com/download/d6...adVR_log_3.zip
Fixed: madVR v0.90.2 resolved this issue - MadVR refinement settings are now displayed upon selection.

[apgood]

Originally Posted by Aleksoid1978

I don't have 3D options in OS display setup(Win10 x64 Ent). also enable in madVR don't help.

Maybe madVR's debug build or build with log can help ??

How many of the people that have LAV working correctly (and MadVR configured correctly) but not getting 3D are trying to run it on an enterprise version of Windows 10? Maybe in the enterprise version of Windows 3D functionality is not installed by default?

[omarank]

So I tested 3D output on an Optimus system and an AMD system. I found these issues:

1. When smooth motion is enabled, video freezes and audio continues (like others reported). Sometimes it makes the media player crash

2. If DXVA2 downscaling is selected and active, I get a black screen

3. With 10 bit FSE on AMD system, Exclusive Mode fails. 3D works properly though in D3D11 8 bit Fullscreen Windowed mode. The interesting thing is that the AMD GPU outputs 10 bit 3D as reported by my TV (AMD driver 13.12)

4. If 1080p23 mode is not listed in the display modes or that space is left empty, I get dropped frames and presentation glitches with jerky video. In this case, the refresh rate is about 60 Hz while the Composition is 29.97 Hz. So this explains the dropped frames. I am not sure whether 1080p60 should work for frame packed 3D or not

5. The 3D output which I get, when 1080p24 frame packed 3D works, looks like 2D. For the same video if I force madVR to output SBS and then let the TV handle SBS, the output looks like 3D with superimposed images. These are naked eye observations, as I didn’t have 3D glasses when I was testing. In the former case, the TV did report that it received 10 bit 3D input (from the AMD system). Apparently, something is wrong here, as the similar output should be there for both the cases (frame packed and SBS). Maybe others can check this with 3D glasses

[SamuriHL]

Originally Posted by apgood

How many of the people that have LAV working correctly (and MadVR configured correctly) but not getting 3D are trying to run it on an enterprise version of Windows 10? Maybe in the enterprise version of Windows 3D functionality is not installed by default?

Nope. I'm running it on pro.

Sent from my SM-P600 using Tapatalk

[huhn]

Originally Posted by omarank

3. With 10 bit FSE on AMD system, Exclusive Mode fails. 3D works properly though in D3D11 8 bit Fullscreen Windowed mode. The interesting thing is that the AMD GPU outputs 10 bit 3D as reported by my TV (AMD driver 13.12)

AMD is trying to output 10 bit always.

newer amd driver have control over the output bitdeep.

[apgood]

Tested with AMD R9 270X and 3D mode gets activated (i.e. my projector goes into 3D mode and says it is receiving frame packed 3D) but there is no 3D depth to what is displayed on the screen (i.e. just looks like 2D). It is almost like the 3D depth adjustment is set to 0.

This is using the latest crimson drivers.

[CarlosCaco]

Originally Posted by MistahBonzai

Originally Posted by MistahBonzai
Originally Posted by MistahBonzai View Post
To those running the v0.90 update with MPC-HC x64. Please check that the MadVR refinement settings (like sharpen and such) appear on the screen upon selection. Mine only display their effects after selecting OK and continuing with the video. Upon rechecking I see that this glitch also occurs in my MadVR x86. It seems to be connected to the v0.90 upgrade - at least this is when it first occured for me. MPC-BE/MadVR v0.90 works fine. If someone joins me here I'll provide specifics. As it is I'm running Win 7 64-bit/sp1, HD 7850 (15.7.1) and all the latest related plug-ins from the nightlies.


Update: 1/11/2016
Completely uninstalled madVR v0.90.1 (ran uninstall.bat, reset settings, deleted folder...) and installed madVR v0.89.19. With MPC-HC 1.7.10.56 (nightly) the issue is resolved. Updated to madVR v0.90.1 and the issue is back - MPC-BE works as expected in both cases. Downgraded to madVR v0.89.19 (copied new files over old ones after running uninstall.bat) and all is well. I'm stumped...

madshi says:
To make sure I got it right: The issue is that changing settings isn't visible on screen until you unpause the video, correct? Can you please create a debug log for me by doing this:

1) Pause the video.
2) Wait 20 seconds doing nothing (so that I know where to look in the debug log).
3) Change a setting so that madVR *should* change the image but doesn't.
4) Close the media player immediately.

Done: Link: http://www.mediafire.com/download/d6...adVR_log_3.zip

I'm having the same problem only with upscaling refinements teste on my two notebooks

[iakoboss7]

in the minimizing problem (where video freezes but audio keeps going). i should mention than after sometime the audio starts lagging HORRIBLY (probably cause of the video being stopped?).

[madshi]

Originally Posted by CarlosCaco

Hey everybpdy, someone could tell me what the new luma scalling option use sigmoidal light does? when should i use this? should i leave this aways check like linear light on downscalle?

Sometimes it improves upscaling quality by reducing aliasing and ringing slightly. Sometimes it can also increase aliasing and ringing, though. So it needs some serious testing to come to a conclusion whether it should be enabled by default or not.

Originally Posted by jkauff

Any chance of moving the madVR/LAV 3D discussion to a separate thread? Four pages today and it seems like there are still many outstanding questions.

No, sorry.

Originally Posted by Aleksoid1978

As i understand - if on OS there os no options for enable 3D i can't watch 3D using madVR ??

Correct. BUT. I I have a guess why it doesn't work for you: Do you happen to try to watch 3D on your secondary monitor? I've just found out that NVidia only supports 3D playback on the primary monitor (at least when using the official Direct3D11 APIs). AMD and Intel also support it on the secondary monitor, but not NVidia.

Originally Posted by SamuriHL

According to LAV Video, it's sending 3D. madVR just isn't displaying it properly. But hey, at least it's not crashing anymore. I'm just not getting any 3D output.

Same as Alexsoid, do you happen to try playback on your secondary monitor? Try making it primary.

Originally Posted by apgood

Tested with AMD R9 270X and 3D mode gets activated (i.e. my projector goes into 3D mode and says it is receiving frame packed 3D) but there is no 3D depth to what is displayed on the screen (i.e. just looks like 2D). It is almost like the 3D depth adjustment is set to 0.

This is using the latest crimson drivers.

Well, I haven't tried with Crimson drivers yet, but with the older drivers I'm still using it works fine here, both as primary and secondary. But please try v0.90.2.

Originally Posted by jmone

Still no luck on 3D (Win10 64-Bit, nVidia 660Ti):
- Installed LAV latest nightly (but still need to copy the DLL to the Windows Directory) - setting reset
- Reset madVR to default (but turned off Exclusive Mode)
- Uninstalled the nVidia 3D Play & 3D Player App
- Rebooted and did the nVidia 3D Setup just fine.
- Refresh rating changing is OFF in MC

When I:
- Turn on 3D in Win 10 panel the TV / Glasses go into 3D
- Play MKV 3D and will get SBS output if using D3D9
- Play MKV 3D and will get MC Crashing if using D3D11

My best guess right now is that madVR is not yet receiving 3D frames from LAV. Did you copy the Intel DLL to the system folder?

Originally Posted by 4h4h270

One interesting thing I notice is madvr told me my sony hmz-t2 edid verion is 1.3 which only use with hdmi 1.0-1.3c, but powerdvd shows it's hdmi 1.4 enabled 3D TV and works fine in 3D playback.

I don't think the EDID version number is related to the HDMI version number, but I'm not 100% sure right now.

Originally Posted by omarank

So I tested 3D output on an Optimus system and an AMD system. I found these issues:

1. When smooth motion is enabled, video freezes and audio continues (like others reported). Sometimes it makes the media player crash

Oh, good catch. Will have to disable SmoothMotion forcefully, when using 3D. Probably makes no sense to have it enabled, anyway, since movie and display refresh will should always match when playing 3D.

Originally Posted by omarank

2. If DXVA2 downscaling is selected and active, I get a black screen

Hmmm... Will have to double check that.

Originally Posted by omarank

3. With 10 bit FSE on AMD system, Exclusive Mode fails. 3D works properly though in D3D11 8 bit Fullscreen Windowed mode. The interesting thing is that the AMD GPU outputs 10 bit 3D as reported by my TV (AMD driver 13.12)

Reproduced and "fixed" (by always using 8bit for 3D).

Originally Posted by omarank

4. If 1080p23 mode is not listed in the display modes or that space is left empty, I get dropped frames and presentation glitches with jerky video. In this case, the refresh rate is about 60 Hz while the Composition is 29.97 Hz. So this explains the dropped frames. I am not sure whether 1080p60 should work for frame packed 3D or not

Interesting. I've now modified the logic to always assume 1080p23 for 3D playback. Hope it fixes this issue. Can you confirm?

Originally Posted by omarank

5. The 3D output which I get, when 1080p24 frame packed 3D works, looks like 2D. For the same video if I force madVR to output SBS and then let the TV handle SBS, the output looks like 3D with superimposed images. These are naked eye observations, as I didn’t have 3D glasses when I was testing. In the former case, the TV did report that it received 10 bit 3D input (from the AMD system). Apparently, something is wrong here, as the similar output should be there for both the cases (frame packed and SBS). Maybe others can check this with 3D glasses

That's weird. It works for me. Just to be safe, can you try making the monitor primary, if it's still secondary right now?

[madshi]

madVR v0.90.2 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

* fixed: directly entering 3D fullscreen exclusive mode failed
* fixed: trying to do 10bit playback stopped 3D from working
* fixed: D3D11 presentation sometimes got stuck (minimized, Aero Peak etc)
* fixed: LAV reporting double frame rate was ignored
* added 3D content information to OSD, e.g. "NV12, 8bit, 4:2:0 (3D)"
* added 3D presentation information to OSD, e.g. "D3D11 exclusive (3D)"
* 3D playback now always uses 1080p23 display mode
* disabled refresh rate fix logic for 3D presentation (just to be safe)

Wasn't really planning to create a new build before the weekend, but since there are so many problems, especially with 3D, I changed my mind. Some hints:

1) If you have problems, and your 3D TV is secondary monitor, try making it primary.
2) Disable SmoothMotion FRC for now.
3) Disable DXVA scaling for now.

If none of the above helps. Check the Ctrl+J OSD. It should say:

NV12, 8bit, 4:2:0 (3D)
D3D11 exclusive/windowed (3D)

If the first line doesn't have the (3D) that means that LAV doesn't send 3D to madVR yet, so you need to work on that. If the 2nd line doesn't have the (3D) that means madVR wasn't able to activate D3D11 3D output, for some reason.

[SamuriHL]

Just an FYI, madshi, in my case I don't have a secondary monitor at all. My reciever is connected to the 680 and the tv is connected to the receiver. I could try to go directly to the tv at some point but that'll be a pain in the ass if I have to try it.

[madshi]

Ok, so what does the OSD say for you when trying to do 3D playback with v0.90.2?