Problem with Bewitched - Page 2

2COOL · 29th October 2005, 00:39

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Originally Posted by Imperial Zeppelin

It's a Sony disc so guess what? ARccOS is involved.

No. I agree with cynthia in this post.

setarip_old · 29th October 2005, 01:02

@2COOL

Hi!

The thread you've provided a link to appears to be about copying two DVDs that have no copy protection - one of which appears to be a previously made copy.

How does this relate to backing up purchased versions of the "Bewitched" DVD? Or SONY movies in general?

coledog · 29th October 2005, 19:18

Is there more detailed guide/link for the new Sony issue? I'm having problems with Lords of Dogtown.

tjones · 29th October 2005, 20:28

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Originally Posted by setarip_old

Just to provide you with a bit more information as to why I asked what version you have - As was noted regarding the Region 1 "Lords of Dogtown", not only were there two different versions for PURCHASE (with two different ARccOS protection schemes), the two versions available for RENTAL (with two different ARccOS protection schemes), had different ARccOS copy protection schemes than did the two versions available for PURCHASE.

This could very well be the same situation regarding "Bewitched"...

This could be the problem, I guess short of learning exactly how to create PSL2's myself (which I am in the process of gathering all info I can find regarding) I am out of luck if I want to back-up my DVD's. I
back-up to protect the orginals not to mention I have a DVD player that some of my orginals will not play, only the back-ups, strange huh?

Sure wish someone or some forum group would create and post a guide for creating PSL and PSL2 files!

setarip_old · 30th October 2005, 01:36

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This could be the problem

Why do you say this?

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This could be the problem, I guess short of learning exactly how to create PSL2's myself (which I am in the process of gathering all info I can find regarding) I am out of luck if I want to back-up my DVD's.

That's not true. You're not limited to using DVD Decrypter (which is the ONLY program that uses PSL2 files to deal with NEWER SONY ARccOS-copy-protected DVDs), you know. As an alternative you could use (freeware) DVDFab Decrypter (Different than DVD Decrypter), or (commercial software) DVD95Copy...

tjones · 30th October 2005, 20:26

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Originally Posted by setarip_old

Why do you say this?

That's not true. You're not limited to using DVD Decrypter (which is the ONLY program that uses PSL2 files to deal with NEWER SONY ARccOS-copy-protected DVDs), you know. As an alternative you could use (freeware) DVDFab Decrypter (Different than DVD Decrypter), or (commercial software) DVD95Copy...

I tried the DVD Fab Decrypter it worked fine but when I treid to Shrink version 3.2 I recieved another error message so that did not help. I have spent so much money on commercial softwear, the freeware seems to work just as well, I own DVDXcopy all versions (defuncked now reborn), Nero; and most reciently DVD Clone and the Fox.....shall I mention more ?

starscomeout · 30th October 2005, 20:44

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Originally Posted by tjones

I tried the DVD Fab Decrypter it worked fine but when I treid to Shrink version 3.2 I recieved another error message so that did not help. I have spent so much money on commercial softwear, the freeware seems to work just as well, I own DVDXcopy all versions (defuncked now reborn), Nero; and most reciently DVD Clone and the Fox.....shall I mention more ?

The same here, the problems I had:

1. DVD Shrink would give me a copy protected error message right away.
2. DVD DVD Decrypter would stop about 10 percent into it.
3. I was then able to rip the whole DVD using DVDFab to hard drive.
4. Using DVD Shrink again on the movie ripped to hd, I would get the same copy protected error message.
5. I then figured out how to do the PSL2 file and was able to rip the whole movie to hd using DVD Decrypter.
6. I then was able to re-author the ripped movie with DVD Shrink.

I have ripped hundreds of movies and I have never had problems to this extent before.

The only reason I am interested in ripping movies is because I want to place them on my media server and use Meedio as my front-end software to just be able to sit back and scroll through the movies and click and play. I am also in the process setting up media sever clients to all the TVs in my home and I like the idea I can gain access to any movie from any TV.

Don

setarip_old · 30th October 2005, 21:01

@tjones

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the freeware seems to work just as well

Apparently not, from what you've posted...

blutach · 31st October 2005, 01:54

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Originally Posted by tjones

Sure wish someone or some forum group would create and post a guide for creating PSL and PSL2 files!

The PSL2 plugin for PgcEdit is the way to go - guide here.

Note - this plugin is under continual development.

Regards

tjones · 31st October 2005, 13:37

In 99.9 % of the time the freeware works just as good if not better than softwear I have purchased....
1. I ripped the movie using DVD Decrypter, so that I could create a log file in order to create my own PSL2 file, it is 122 pages long !

Once I complete that task, I will do the same as Don....
I will try blutach suggestion first though, I seek the route with the most ease to complete my task.

WarDog · 31st October 2005, 20:03

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Originally Posted by tjones

Yes !

Did you get the version with the Bewitched TV sampler? If you did then IFO's could be different that's why you are getting the error that the psl is not for this disk.
Also remember that DVDD works best with settings set to default and no ANYDVD or DVD43 running in background especially using PSL2 files.

The above posted PSL2 works because I used it on the the rental I purchased from Blockbuster.

setarip_old · 31st October 2005, 20:26

@tjones

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. I ripped the movie using DVD Decrypter, so that I could create a log file in order to create my own PSL2 file, it is 122 pages long !

If you've ripped the DVD using DVD Decrypter set to -0- software read retries and checked "Ignore all read errors", you already have a rip that should be usable with DVD Shrink, DVD95Copy, and perhaps some other similar programs! . Creating a PSL2 file from your laborious task (Similar to what I described in an earlier thread regarding my rip of the "Lords of Dogtown - EC" DVD), will benefit others who have the same version of the DVD that you have, but it won't do anything further for you...

tjones · 1st November 2005, 04:32

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Originally Posted by setarip_old

@tjones

If you've ripped the DVD using DVD Decrypter set to -0- software read retries and checked "Ignore all read errors", you already have a rip that should be usable with DVD Shrink, DVD95Copy, and perhaps some other similar programs! . Creating a PSL2 file from your laborious task (Similar to what I described in an earlier thread regarding my rip of the "Lords of Dogtown - EC" DVD), will benefit others who have the same version of the DVD that you have, but it won't do anything further for you...

Thanks setarip, I printed the file this at work only 37 pages long. I will try Shrink, I appreciate the help from all if that dont work I will turn off the Any DVD Fox, and try the PSL2 files....Again Thanks!

setarip_old · 1st November 2005, 05:32

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Again Thanks!

As always, my pleasure ;>}

captain_video · 1st November 2005, 16:51

I ripped the rental version of Bewitched that I got from NetFlix using DVDFab Decryptor. I've since tried to process the VIDEO_TS files with DVDFab and VOB Blanker but the result is that the VTS_02_01.VOB file gets truncated to about 454 MB and none of the other VTS_02_0X.VOB files get processed at all. I've tried opening the VOB files in VideoReDo and a couple of other editing programs but they all just choke on the files. I also tried to shrink the DVD using DVD Rebuilder but it errors out in the final stage.

I've already returned the rental disc so I'm wondering if I have any other options to recover the DVD. It's not a major loss if I can't but it's a pain if I have to rent it again and go the PSL2 route. I'm not looking to make an illegal copy of the disc. I just make backups to DVD-RW of the DVDs I rent so I can watch them at my leisure and then reuse the disc for future rentals after it's been watched.

CWR03 · 1st November 2005, 18:55

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Originally Posted by captain_video

I ripped the rental version of Bewitched

Regardless of your intended use of the copied rental disk, it is not Fair Use and is a forum rule #6 violation to ask for help with it.

captain_video · 1st November 2005, 20:06

Here's rule No. 6 that you cited:

6) No warez, cracks, serials or illegally obtained copyrighted content! Links to content of a questionable nature, asking for, offering, or asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated.

The way I see it, I paid to rent the disc (which qualifies as legally obtained since I paid a rental fee to acquire it), which theoretically gives me the right to view it as long as I don't distribute the contents to anyone else. I'd be happy to debate whether or not it falls under fair use or not. I don't see where it's any different than recording a movie from cable or satellite other than it is of higher quality than either DTV or analog transmissions except that there may be some stupid stipulation in the DMCA that says it is (a bad law is still a bad law, but that's not up for discussion, is it?). I won't argue semantics because I realize I'm just a guest here and some people are simply anal about this sort of thing. But thanks for pointing that out for me.

blutach · 1st November 2005, 22:57

You may find a mod sees things somewhat differently captain_video, particularly since it appears you are in the US where the DMCA reigns supreme.

Regards

markrb · 2nd November 2005, 01:15

illegally obtained copyrighted content!

As a former mod and the person that inspired much of that rule I will submit that the above line is valid here. Since that in the US it has been ruled that you may only copy video's you own. A rental is not considered ownership. It is a temporary licencse to view the material as long as you have the disc.
I hate to point this out, but it clearly isn't semantics. To claim fair use you must own the original at least in most countries. Laws differ by country, but this is the way it is thought of on this board.

You must understand that these rules are meant to protect the owners of this board from potential legal action. Regardless of how we feel about the laws we all want to protect Doom9 from potential issues.

We have already seen Lightning UK get hit hard and others boards get shut down.

Mark

captain_video · 2nd November 2005, 01:32

Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes. Won't happen again.

29th October 2005, 19:18	#23 \| Link
coledog Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13	Newbie Is there more detailed guide/link for the new Sony issue? I'm having problems with Lords of Dogtown.

31st October 2005, 13:37	#30 \| Link
tjones Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 13	In 99.9 % of the time the freeware works just as good if not better than softwear I have purchased.... 1. I ripped the movie using DVD Decrypter, so that I could create a log file in order to create my own PSL2 file, it is 122 pages long ! Once I complete that task, I will do the same as Don.... I will try blutach suggestion first though, I seek the route with the most ease to complete my task. __________________ tjones

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captain_video Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 59	Here's rule No. 6 that you cited: 6) No warez, cracks, serials or illegally obtained copyrighted content! Links to content of a questionable nature, asking for, offering, or asking for help/helping to process such content in any way or form is not tolerated. The way I see it, I paid to rent the disc (which qualifies as legally obtained since I paid a rental fee to acquire it), which theoretically gives me the right to view it as long as I don't distribute the contents to anyone else. I'd be happy to debate whether or not it falls under fair use or not. I don't see where it's any different than recording a movie from cable or satellite other than it is of higher quality than either DTV or analog transmissions except that there may be some stupid stipulation in the DMCA that says it is (a bad law is still a bad law, but that's not up for discussion, is it?). I won't argue semantics because I realize I'm just a guest here and some people are simply anal about this sort of thing. But thanks for pointing that out for me. Last edited by captain_video; 1st November 2005 at 20:11.

1st November 2005, 22:57	#38 \| Link
blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	You may find a mod sees things somewhat differently captain_video, particularly since it appears you are in the US where the DMCA reigns supreme. Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.

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markrb Old fart Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,589	illegally obtained copyrighted content! As a former mod and the person that inspired much of that rule I will submit that the above line is valid here. Since that in the US it has been ruled that you may only copy video's you own. A rental is not considered ownership. It is a temporary licencse to view the material as long as you have the disc. I hate to point this out, but it clearly isn't semantics. To claim fair use you must own the original at least in most countries. Laws differ by country, but this is the way it is thought of on this board. You must understand that these rules are meant to protect the owners of this board from potential legal action. Regardless of how we feel about the laws we all want to protect Doom9 from potential issues. We have already seen Lightning UK get hit hard and others boards get shut down. Mark __________________ Oh no Mr. Bill!

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setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	@2COOL Hi! The thread you've provided a link to appears to be about copying two DVDs that have no copy protection - one of which appears to be a previously made copy. How does this relate to backing up purchased versions of the "Bewitched" DVD? Or SONY movies in general?

1st November 2005, 16:51	#35 \| Link
captain_video Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 59	I ripped the rental version of Bewitched that I got from NetFlix using DVDFab Decryptor. I've since tried to process the VIDEO_TS files with DVDFab and VOB Blanker but the result is that the VTS_02_01.VOB file gets truncated to about 454 MB and none of the other VTS_02_0X.VOB files get processed at all. I've tried opening the VOB files in VideoReDo and a couple of other editing programs but they all just choke on the files. I also tried to shrink the DVD using DVD Rebuilder but it errors out in the final stage. I've already returned the rental disc so I'm wondering if I have any other options to recover the DVD. It's not a major loss if I can't but it's a pain if I have to rent it again and go the PSL2 route. I'm not looking to make an illegal copy of the disc. I just make backups to DVD-RW of the DVDs I rent so I can watch them at my leisure and then reuse the disc for future rentals after it's been watched.

2nd November 2005, 01:32	#40 \| Link
captain_video Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 59	Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes. Won't happen again.

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