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Old 2nd March 2003, 19:09   #41  |  Link
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@dilly:

Nice caps. Are you from eastern canada area by any chance? And if so are you on Shaw or Rogers digital cable there? I'm out west on shaw digital w/motorola dct2000 and the quality is pure crap (even just watching on normal tv) compared to your shots.

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Old 2nd March 2003, 19:32   #42  |  Link
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Another short clip from 24 (this is an exciting one, by the way )...

http://sbouf.free.fr/Extrait_24_divx...6_2000kbps.avi
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Old 2nd March 2003, 19:38   #43  |  Link
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cjv:

Yes, I am.. I guess the news one gave away my location

I'm on Rogers digital with a Scientific Atlanta Explorer 3200. The quality is superb through the S-Video, especially on the digital channels (the ones that you can see 'load up', block by block, when you tune into them).

Just recently analogue channels are beginning to ghost, although I believe this is a problem due to my gray outdoor cable box having a large glacier of ice immersing it. It should melt soon.

I don't think Rogers uses Motorola boxes in this area, but I could be mistaken. Everybody I know (even Shaw people) have Sci.Atlanta.

I'll post some shots of the analogue channels, for the sake of seeing some shots that may need processing, in a bit.
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Old 2nd March 2003, 22:25   #44  |  Link
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..cont'd

Source #3 - TV show (from a non-digital channel, good src quality)

Sample 1 (interlaced, but not apparent)
Sample 2 (obviously interlaced)
Sample 3 (using on the fly deinterlacer optimized for my card)
Sample 4 (using on the fly deinterlacer optimized for my card)

Source #4 - Movie (from an analogue channel, poor src quality)

Sample 1
Sample 2
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Old 2nd March 2003, 22:31   #45  |  Link
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I will get you some space - download all your files, can you all make a list if your files/locations with descriptions so I can download them all and then upload them to my host.

This is only to files that are not there already. I will include screenies and videos.

Check the magic address further up the thread

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Old 4th March 2003, 01:20   #46  |  Link
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OK - I really am gonna update the magical site. Really, and create mirrors or fixed locations atleast for all the files.

I will do this tonite, but the files wont appear until tommorow.

tonite=this morning. I wanna sleep

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Old 4th March 2003, 02:04   #47  |  Link
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Obiwan71, did you have to tweak the color/brightness/saturation controls any, or are those screenshots just default settings? I'll be setting up my own DC10+ in a few days, I've never used that card and I want to get it right ASAP. Will the newest drivers suffice?
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Old 4th March 2003, 10:18   #48  |  Link
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Obiwan71, did you have to tweak the color/brightness/saturation controls any, or are those screenshots just default settings? I'll be setting up my own DC10+ in a few days, I've never used that card and I want to get it right ASAP. Will the newest drivers suffice?
If you don't tweak those settings, you probably won't get such results. Black won't be pure black, and the image won't be dark enough. When processing the video with AviSynth, I get a darker image and I'm happy with it.
If you want to use VirtualDub to open and edit your MJPEG files, you'll certainly have to tweak the color settings to get a darker image. When using AviSynth, you could do so AND apply the filter I was talking about in this previous topic (quite an interesting one by the way):
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...ighlight=MJPEG

Though I encode my captures with AviSynth, I DON'T apply the filter...
I know that there is a bug, but I'm satisfied with the contrast and darkness I get... while keeping the default settings.

I hope I've been clear!

I'll post new screenshots. You'll see that the capture looks lighter than on the ones I've uploaded.
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Old 4th March 2003, 23:38   #49  |  Link
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I'm not sure I'm entirely clear on the finer points of what you're saying, but I know of and use the mjpegcorrect plugin. Can you post a common AVIsynth script that you use? Do you tweak the color settings on the DC10+ card in device settings, and if so, what settings do you use?
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Old 5th March 2003, 21:57   #50  |  Link
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This is the kind of AVS script I use:

AVIsource("d:\film.avi")
LoadPlugin("decomb.dll")
FlipVertical()
Telecide()
Crop(4,76,764,424)
BicubicResize(720,400)

The lines in italics are optional. Some of my captures do NOT show any combing artifacts.

Don't forget the "FlipVertical" command: the picture would be upside down otherwise (this is another bug... ).

I usually don't tweak the default settings. In fact you can alter them depending on the video source or apply filters to adjust levels then.
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Old 8th March 2003, 04:57   #51  |  Link
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obiwan71, do you not see banding in your captures? I just looked at the 6th sense clip and I could see it.

I ask because I've been trying to transfer my LDs over to DVD and the caps have a lot of banding, looking like 16bit color depth vs 24 bit color of HuffYUV.

I'll check some of your other clips. The screenshots seem to have the same dither/banding. Maybe I'm being too picky, but this doesn't look good on a large display.

These were 24bit captures? Maybe I need to go to a 32bit capture (oh that would be nuts)

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Old 8th March 2003, 09:52   #52  |  Link
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I didn't know what the term "banding" meant. I've just looked for some information on the web.
To tell you the truth, I had not noticed anything wrong in my clips. Maybe it's just because I have an ATI video card.
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Old 10th March 2003, 15:18   #53  |  Link
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Here are some new screenshots. No filters or deinterlacing have been applied and contrast/brightness/saturation settings have been set to default values.

Mel Gibson in What Women Want: http://sbouf.free.fr/gibson.jpg (MJPEG bitrate: 2000 Kb/s)

Screenshots from anamorphic video:
Ben Affleck: http://sbouf.free.fr/affleck_16-9.jpg (2000 Kb/s)
French actor Gérard Depardieu in Vidocq: http://sbouf.free.fr/depardieu_16-9.jpg (3000 Kb/s)
French actor André Dussollier in Vidocq: http://sbouf.free.fr/dussollier_16-9.jpg (3000 Kb/s)
Note: Vidocq was the first film to be shot with a high-definition digital camera.

And this is a MJPEG video with combing artifacts:
http://sbouf.free.fr/24_mjpeg_interlaced.avi
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Old 12th March 2003, 05:12   #54  |  Link
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Originally posted by obiwan71

Don't forget the "FlipVertical" command: the picture would be upside down otherwise (this is another bug... ).
I just wanted to bring attention to anyone who uses this card:

I found out at this link DC10+ Review

That if you install Dirext X 8, the DC10+ will not flip the image. Give it a try. I don't know, I don't have the card

Good Luck,

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Old 13th March 2003, 01:31   #55  |  Link
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Fellowship of the Ring full screen was playing on Starz, so I capped 20 minutes for some screenshots (20 screenshots). Bear in mind that DirecTV, the American digital satellite service which I subscribe to, has a very low bandwidth on most channels because they have a fixed bandwidth of around 640Mbps to distribute across hundreds of channels. Well, I think that's right (16 transponders, each 40mbps, right?). So the MPEG-2 that I'm watching on TV is probably about 2mbps.

Anyway, here are the screenshots. Color adjustments are using my THX color calibration settings.

http://home.covad.net/~wlabiche/CAPTEST/FOTR_FS/
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That if you install Dirext X 8, the DC10+ will not flip the image
I have DirectX 8.0 installed.
But remember that it is only when you use AviSynth that the image is flipped. There is no problem otherwise.
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Old 18th October 2003, 16:28   #57  |  Link
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I had posted nice screenshots (digital source). Here is a screenshot from a terrestrial source, just to give you an idea of the difference in quality.

(same card used - DC10+)

http://sbouf.free.fr/screenshot_terrestrial_source.jpg
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Old 20th October 2003, 00:36   #58  |  Link
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hi all

@ obiwan71,

When this thread first opened up, I was following it, till I lost it
and long forgotten it. Thanks for bringing it back. Even some of
the older clips and pegs are still active Thanks to dar1us and
others for this.

Yea, I REMEMBER THAT clip (one in your latest sample) And, it looks
great to me. What was the name of the Show and When was it aired ??

I've had my DC10+ card for many years now. Had problems in the beg
ining and later, fixed it and have ben happy w/it since. One thing
that I am displeased w/ is that it's limited to 640 x 480. I once
heard that you can jimmy it to cap at 720 x 480 but I've never seen
this actaully happen. (if anyone does, please enlight)

Yea, in my DC10+ I capture w/ 6000 bitrate because my system could
handle it. I think that maybe you should give it a try in yours.
I think I remember using my SIMA SED-CM for add color richness but
that was long ago, of which I don't remember too well these days. I'm
overwhelmed by many other projects. Anyways..

I've now since added others cards, Osprey-210 and latest, ADVC-100
to my list.. course, old news to some.

Hope to see others post clips here,
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Yea, I REMEMBER THAT clip (one in your latest sample) And, it looks
great to me. What was the name of the Show and When was it aired ??
OK but... what clip are you talking about?

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that I am displeased w/ is that it's limited to 640 x 480
Actually, I can't capture at 640x480. I've just tried to change the source format in FreeVCR: it seems that your limitation is due to the type of your source (NTSC?). My sources are PAL or SECAM, which enables me to capture at 768x576.
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OK but... what clip are you talking about?
Sorry, I thought it was from you The filename is below.

* Extrait_24_divx503_768x576_2000kbps.avi

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Actually, I can't capture at 640x480. I've just tried to change the source format in FreeVCR: it seems that your limitation is due to the type of your source (NTSC?). My sources are PAL or SECAM, which enables me to capture at 768x576.
Ok, thanks anyways.. I thought it was possible for my NTSC card.

I was hoping to post a clip of a capture I did last night of some
movies that were on, but my computer w/ clips bombed out on me. I'll
see if I have those .avi's still laying around. I might have some stuff
that I did some time early this year w/ my ATI-TV Wonder card
if anyone is interested.

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