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17th September 2008, 01:32 | #1 | Link |
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Psy-RDO / Psy-trellis test results (clean CGI/game recording)
Please vote (post)! Give details, and take a look at the full clips if you can. Once I get enough votes, I'll do another test with a grainy 1080p Blu-ray with those values that are favored.
Did a test with the short ~lossless Gears clip I made: here (Thanks to roo_ for hosting! Please only download if you will use; bandwidth does not grow on trees ). Tested with my r977 build. Complete settings used. Complete settings part 2. Complete settings part 3. PLEASE USE THESE (one frame can only do so much): ZIP of script, logs, stats, encoded streams, and DGA index files (a35): here. Second ZIP, which contains 0:0, 0.5:0.5, 0.8:0.8, 1.3:1.0, 1.3:1.3, 1.5:1.0, and 2.0:2.0 (the first one doesn't have them): here. Another (sorry!) ZIP, with the last bunch of tests (1.15:0.3, 1.15:0.5, 1.15:0.7, 1.15:1.0, 1.3:0.3, 1.3:0.5, 1.3:0.7, 1.5:0.3, 1.5:0.5, and 1.5:0.7): here. Some example pics (frame 71): (I recommend Firefox's Ctrl+num_tab feature for quick switching comparison) Source --psy-rd 0.0:0.0 --psy-rd 0.5:0.0 --psy-rd 0.5:0.5 --psy-rd 0.8:0.8 --psy-rd 1.0:0.0 --psy-rd 1.0:0.5 --psy-rd 1.0:1.0 --psy-rd 1.0:1.5 --psy-rd 1.15:0.3 --psy-rd 1.15:0.5 --psy-rd 1.15:0.7 --psy-rd 1.15:1.0 --psy-rd 1.3:0.3 --psy-rd 1.3:0.5 --psy-rd 1.3:0.7 --psy-rd 1.3:1.0 --psy-rd 1.3:1.3 --psy-rd 1.5:0.0 --psy-rd 1.5:0.3 --psy-rd 1.5:0.5 --psy-rd 1.5:0.7 --psy-rd 1.5:1.0 --psy-rd 1.5:1.5 --psy-rd 2.0:0.0 --psy-rd 2.0:2.0 What are your thoughts? The only thing that's really sure is that psy-trellis owns, at least for this clip Last edited by Ranguvar; 19th September 2008 at 02:32. |
17th September 2008, 01:39 | #2 | Link |
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15_15.png looks better to me (is it 1.5:1.5 or 1.5:0.5?)
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well maybe the 1.0:1.0 is better overall... the 1.5:1.5 pic has a sort of noise around the edges.
any chance for a --psy-rd 1.5:1.0 screenshot?
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it seems from those pics that values higher than x.x:1.0 (psy-trellis > 1.0) tend to produce noise around the edges.
maybe the sweetspot is somewhere between 1.0 and 1.5.
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17th September 2008, 03:02 | #8 | Link |
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uhm it's hard... but i think 1.0:1.0 still looks better. 1.3:1.0 is loosing details here and there while it is sharper in other spots.
1.0:1.0 is more consistent but has some chroma noise in the weapon icon. maybe 1.1:1.0 or 1.2:1.0 will be better but i have no time to do test encodes.
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17th September 2008, 03:43 | #12 | Link |
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it used to be 1.0:1.0 but psy-trellis was disabled (0.0) since there were some negative reports
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Sharktooth: Will you be updating Megui & presets to accommodate these changes, or will you be waiting untill we agree on some "best" values in this thread ?
PS, <<note: Just my opinion>>: x264's options are getting really complex now; Some options are quite un-understandable to new users an/or are quite confusing. Might be time to re-evaluate all those options and device some new names or some other way to get all te options set. for ex: --no fast p-skip to yes, could be made much easier to understand by simply calling it --fast p-skip (that you than have to set to no offcourse) . The point beeing that it is more logical, and easier to explain / understand by new users. Last edited by G_M_C; 17th September 2008 at 09:08. |
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Thus no one should have cause to disable those capabilities of the encoder without very good reason. |
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however i like to mantain a cerrain consistency with the encoder options. if you want --fast-pskip, ask the x264 devs and i will do that as well on megui. Quote:
most of them dont even know what fast pskip is ...
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Hmm, thats not what i meant to ask you; But i did make an unclear posting, I only wanted to give my optionion on all those options. Ive just recently started to use x264, and it has a very steep learning-curve partly because of all the options. Making it all more understadable/transparent might help the "lower steepness of the learning-curve". But as I said, its my opinion. And all i wanted was to ask you if Megui will be updated to accommodate the new --psy-rd xx:xx options Last edited by G_M_C; 17th September 2008 at 13:00. |
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17th September 2008, 12:56 | #19 | Link |
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nope. one picture or one source arent a good test.
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