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All these questions are directly or indirectly related to you.
The OP wanted to know something that s/he wanted for her/him, not for you. Please don't deviate every thread to your needs. You are welcome to use the info or to disregard it if you think it's false, but please don't be so egocentric.
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Because I thought it'd be amusing to see which path of confabulation it leads you down, here's a quality test of one of the oldest Verbatim discs I own. I just pulled the first one in the case which means it's from the time I started re-burning all my crappy discs two and a half years ago.
Of course I have no way of remembering what the burn test was like when I originally burned it, so I'll await your deductions as to whether it shows it's aged, it hasn't aged, whether the quality of newer discs has increased, or whether they've decreased, etc etc. Either way, I've now posted results from the same era as yourself while you've failed to post any current results as requested (or any others to back up your claims) and it shows whether it's today or back in 2008, I'd have had no problem burning an installation disc to Verbatim media and using it to install Ubuntu. I did wonder, while burning some BluRay discs the other day, whether I'd even care if my collection of DVDs lasts longer than 10 years. Not that I'm trying to give you another Red Herring to chase, but I did wonder how long it'd be before I re-burned the whole lot to BluRay anyway, and whether in ten years I'd be as concerned about theses DVDs still being readable as I'm concerned about the collection of floppy discs under my bed still working. I burned all the floppies I wanted to keep to DVD years ago. While you're confabulating, you might want to factor the fingerprints into the burn results and any new theories you develop as I didn't bother to clean the disc before testing it. Plus I figured "handling" is part of the deterioration process anyway. Last edited by yetanotherid; 7th February 2011 at 12:22. |
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First I'm not offering any on-topic information, now I'm being too specific. Are you coming to the end of your excuses list? Quote:
Who filled a recent thread with fascinating information on the history of the analogue pixel which had nothing to do with the OP's question? Please try to keep the hypocrisy in check. (I'm still waiting for the screen shots you promised to back up your confabulation for that thread) Quote:
You're actually very funny. Not so long ago I was poisoning the thread for having the audacity to disagree with you, yet I'm apparently the one who's being egocentric. You really are quite a clown. Last edited by yetanotherid; 7th February 2011 at 14:49. |
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My premium collection was TY. And from the mechanical point of view much superior to the JVC ones (which recently bought the media division of TY).
Verbatim premium was MKM, Verbatim normal is still MCC, but also rebadged TY (yes, Taiyo Yuden) albeit rarely, some batches are produced by MBI for Verbatim, and some even in the Emirates. Now, the newest batches I've seen in Germany are manufactured in China, God knows how. Maxell did manufactured once themselves the media, but switched almost immediately to foreign manufacturers. Now it's crap. Sony still used the same MID, but nothing is manufactured in its own factories, I don't even remember those times. Was it 4x the last Sony one? Fuji also did itself manufacture some DVDRs, again, with mass production, they switched to a relabelling factory. Panasonic, well, does anyone remember those times? The rest of the manufacturers (I was able to see, some manufacture for Japan only and some are OEM only) are worse. Yet ok for all-day recordings*. *When the recording was an elite sport, both the recorders and their media were of premium quality. People thought usually twice or more times whether they would store something on a DVDR or not. Price-oriented. So was the photography. And the VHS. When however the media and the recorders became cheap enough, not only the quality dropped, but also the expectations. People put everything on DVDRs and simply do not care whether it would be readable or not next year. Who cares about next year? Friends of mine shot literally thousands of photos, they look like a film reel, saying, I'll pick only the best shots. They never did this, instead they burn all of them on CDRs/DVDRs and throw them in a drawer only to find them when they move to another house. Quality means money. Why would someone invest money in something only 1% or less would care? Cheap, cheaper, cheapest! Bad, worse, ... And they have already supporters, right, yetanotherid? Be happy that you are not touched by this phenomenon. Yet. But you have time to see the evolution of the BDR. Already MIC (MIT was just an intermediary stage).
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So if Verbatim's quality has dropped, why is it I'm producing burns of the same quality today as you were getting two years ago, as long of course, you took the samples from your "premium collection"?
Are you ever going to post screen shots of the non-premium collection burns you made a few years ago. Or is expecting anything more than further rants from you just a dream I'm having? Last edited by yetanotherid; 7th February 2011 at 17:20. |
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Why do prices drop as demand increases? Do I have to explain basic economics? Ever heard of competition? If you want people to buy your product you either have to make it cheaper than competing products or make it better, or both. It doesn't mean there won't be a market for junk, but it doesn't mean there won't be a market for a better quality product either. Why do you think people pay more for Verbatim or TY discs than other brands? For the social status they provide? Honestly.... If originally a product was of a good quality as you've stated, where's the rule which says the quality has to drop in order to mass produce it? Your arguments offer no proof and to be honest, they're not even all that entertaining any more. No comment on my screen shot of a burn from two and a half years ago????? The way you subjectively ignore things which don't suit you is enough to tell me you're wrong all on it's own. I may have forgotten to ask, but can you tell me.... if Verbatim's quality has dropped, why is it I'm producing burns of the same quality today as you were getting two years ago, as long of course, you took the samples from your "premium collection"? Last edited by yetanotherid; 7th February 2011 at 17:21. |
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Sorry, I forgot to add one final question.....
If Verbatim's quality has dropped, why is it I'm producing burns of the same quality today as you were getting two years ago, as long of course, you took the samples from your "premium collection"? |
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You never experienced quality, you've been probably born after Verbatim dropped the premium line. That explains why you consider this -> http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...2&postcount=62 as a good burn.
I'll avoid Verbatim for BD (even for HTL disks). I'll stick with Sony and Panasonic, only MIJ. More expensive, but better.
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I said it was a two and a half year old disc, the first one I pulled from the case, and the quality of the burn test is what I posted. So, in regard to my question..... If Verbatim's quality has dropped, why is it I'm producing burns of the same quality today as you were getting two years ago, as long of course, you took the samples from your "premium collection"? Obviously my previous screen shot was yet another excuse for you to try side-tracking the issue and avoid answering it, so I think you've proven my point. Your advice is confabulation and should be taken with a grain of salt. Unless of course you want to provide an example of one of these quality burns I've never experienced? One, I assume, which must be better than the recent burns I posted. My guess is you won't, because you can't, and therefore I'll from now on be viewing your opinion with the contempt it deserves. |
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I'm not talking about Verbatim, I'm talking about all of them. Verbatim was your idea.
Feel free not to believe, it won't make a difference to the world.
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I'm just debating your contention as I regularly use Verbatim discs so they're the discs I can discuss from experience. Quote:
Can you provide an example of one of these quality burns I've never experienced? And can you explain why, if Verbatim's quality has dropped, I'm producing burns of the same quality today as you were getting two years ago, as long of course, you took the samples from your "premium collection"? |
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As I said lucky you!
My entire coaster collection, which fits a spindle of 25, grew only recently, mostly from DL blanks. In my first 5 years I had only 3. 2010 was the worst year in terms of bad burns.
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I've not burned many dual layer blanks, but just out of curiosity can you explain why, if Verbatim's quality has dropped, I'm producing burns of the same quality today as you were getting two years ago, as long of course, you took the samples from your "premium collection"?
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No, I'm just debating with a duck. Lots of quack, very little substance.
Can you explain why, if Verbatim's quality has dropped, I'm producing burns of the same quality today as you were getting two years ago, as long of course, you took the samples from your "premium collection"? |
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I still have days where I throw one in five away. Not that they're necessarily unreadable, I'm just fussy about the ones I intend to keep. They're the inexplicable "bad burn" days. Now that I've pretty much come to the end of my burning marathon, high quality burns are still the norm, and the "blowing out the dust" theory is so far the only one I have as to why. The two burns from today are below. Printable Verbatim discs, burned at 16x (not 1x ). Better than my burns to printable Verbatim media 6 months ago. Quote:
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These are good burns, but that's only one side of the story. An initial good burn provides a safety reserve in comparison to a bad one, however accelerated ageing tests show that sometimes a medium quality burn of a stable DVD is better than a good burn on a bad quality disk. Since I don't own such laboratory equipment I can't give you any info (copyright infringement, however anyone can buy the articles online).
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Well I guess we've pretty much established that Verbatim's quality hasn't dropped, at least when it comes to the quality of the initial burn, but as I don't intend to indulged the copyright excuse and start buying articles to determine how long they'll last, I think I'll just wait until I'm the one who can offer something substantial, run the quality tests again, then post back (I know which discs they were and the screenshots are saved to photobucket). I guess we'll be able to continue the discussion then. Say.... four or five years?
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