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Old 25th April 2018, 18:19   #50381  |  Link
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nvidia just released driver 397.31. Looks like it got some new features and a new hdmi driver part. hopefully they fixed some bugs and it works better with madvr / hdr than the last versions...
Thanks. I'll wait until someone confirms they have fixed the video levels...
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Old 25th April 2018, 19:13   #50382  |  Link
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Don't bother wasting your time like I just did. This new pos driver still ignored the stereo vs multi channel switch when you turn your AVR on/off. Also ignored no RGB 10 bit setting as usual along with dropped frames every few minutes. I'm beginning to think no one wants us using HTPC's anymore and instead direct us to streaming boxes with limited crap video output and lots of monthly subscription fees instead to help obliterate physical media . Meanwhile, keeping the MSRP on cards through the roof so only gamers want them as miners are diminished and continue to provide lots of driver upgrades for individual games to keep them jubilant and in the market. In the mean time we can continue to sit around for months/years/decades waiting to see if by some miracle any A/V related bone is tossed our direction. As the new Windows update hits the masses, this might turn into a real clusterfluck with even less remedies ever provided. Yep, I'm disappointed..... again.
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Old 25th April 2018, 19:23   #50383  |  Link
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don't bother wasting your time like i just did. ... Yep, i'm disappointed..... Again.
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Old 25th April 2018, 19:28   #50384  |  Link
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Yep, just DDU reinstalled it for about the 30th time. Still dropped frames and no 10 bit otherwise I'd never upgrade the damn thing.
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Old 25th April 2018, 19:43   #50385  |  Link
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Yep, just DDU reinstalled it for about the 30th time. Still dropped frames and no 10 bit otherwise I'd never upgrade the damn thing.
I must be lucky, I only have dropped frames with 3D, with 2D at least in UHD I get a dropped frame every hour or so, which is perfectly acceptable.

12bits works fine on my display (pixel shader, not passthrough), so I guess that's luck too as I don't need a 10bits mode. I didn't need it with the UB900 either, but I know many users did.

There is really little incentive for me to upgrade from 385.28, except if one day a new driver made no frame drop in 3D possible.

Did you have a chance to see if the levels are fixed?
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Old 25th April 2018, 19:58   #50386  |  Link
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I mean no dropped frames without the need to use madVR custom modes. Yes, I know you could care less about 8, 10, and 12bit offerings since your PJ handles 12bit correctly. I need 10bit passthrough personally and I think a whole bunch of other folks do too unless you like banding. Meanwhile we digress to 8bit after making sure all our equipment was at least 10bit. I don't know what the "levels' you are referring to is?
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Old 25th April 2018, 20:27   #50387  |  Link
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I mean no dropped frames without the need to use madVR custom modes. Yes, I know you could care less about 8, 10, and 12bit offerings since your PJ handles 12bit correctly. I need 10bit passthrough personally and I think a whole bunch of other folks do too unless you like banding. Meanwhile we digress to 8bit after making sure all our equipment was at least 10bit. I don't know what the "levels' you are referring to is?
Custom modes are needed on nVidia to not have dropped frames, that's been the case forever.

I'm talking about video levels. They are broken in 391.xx. In 390.65, they are inverted (you need to specify 0-255 in MadVR to get limited to the display). 385.28 is the latest fully working driver here.
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Old 25th April 2018, 20:52   #50388  |  Link
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looks like Samsung doesn't believe in 10 bit and 120 hz at the same time...

http://www.panelook.com/bramodlist.p...size_inch=6500

so i recommend you to lay back set it to 8 bit forget this 10 bit garbage and just enjoy.
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Old 25th April 2018, 20:57   #50389  |  Link
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Don't focus too much on D3D11; madVR does not require D3D11, it will work as well with older graphic hardware, using interfaces which have been specified in earlier generations already (D3D9 / PS3.0).
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Old 25th April 2018, 22:33   #50390  |  Link
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You do need D3D11 for HDR.
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Old 25th April 2018, 23:08   #50391  |  Link
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Ok, so I don't know what technological limitations are limiting rendering in Kodi.

I have nothing against Kodi. I just think its video rendering needs to be updated to keep up with the times. I thought OpenGL standards were to blame.
Kodi under Windows uses DirectX (Direct3D), not OpenGL.
The problem with Kodi has to do, unfortunately, with too few Windows developers on board. Being open source, I hoped for quite a long while that somebody would fork it to something Windows only and be done with it. While I applaud the spirit behind some of Kodi's team decisions, for the longest time the Windows release has been reduced to something of an afterthought in many occasions.

The software is free, so they are free to do whatever they want and, certainly, lack of developers is hurting the Windows release.

After the whole DSPlayer debacle with aracnoz (the developer, I know you are familiar with him) being attacked for asking simple questions, I kind of lost faith in the whole thing. It's too bad that nobody is picking up the torch, really (save from aracnoz kindly providing updated builds from time to time).
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Old 26th April 2018, 03:57   #50392  |  Link
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Kodi under Windows uses DirectX (Direct3D), not OpenGL.
The problem with Kodi has to do, unfortunately, with too few Windows developers on board. Being open source, I hoped for quite a long while that somebody would fork it to something Windows only and be done with it. While I applaud the spirit behind some of Kodi's team decisions, for the longest time the Windows release has been reduced to something of an afterthought in many occasions.

The software is free, so they are free to do whatever they want and, certainly, lack of developers is hurting the Windows release.

After the whole DSPlayer debacle with aracnoz (the developer, I know you are familiar with him) being attacked for asking simple questions, I kind of lost faith in the whole thing. It's too bad that nobody is picking up the torch, really (save from aracnoz kindly providing updated builds from time to time).
Didn't know that. I think they still rely on the same video player code, but it could be different. The Windows release performs fine for me, but the lone Windows developer is definitely stretched for resources. I do know things are no better on Linux on the video rendering side. I was following the communication between the person in charge of the video player and a frustrated projector user who couldn't use his 3D LUT with Kodi because of the way it downgraded 10-bit BT.2020 inputs. Oddly enough, he left frustrated and left a link to madVR's HDR -> SDR thread at AVS Forums. I don't think he was very charming in his conversation. But he got the message across that he wanted more from Kodi. He probably could have left the madVR link out, though. The video player guy was actually trying to be helpful. Kodi isn't junk software.

Kodi DSPlayer doesn't really need a developer at the moment. It just needs someone to merge the Git to the latest Kodi master. I'll definitely try it myself if aracnoz doesn't provide an update this time. I just don't think I can move the player code around and still keep the player working. It depends on how many code conflicts there are in the already 6,000 new commits in Kodi master. It's more than just a simple merge.

DSPlayer is already a mature player with all the features it needs with new features being added all the time by LAV Filters and madVR. You are one of the users that has been there from the beginning.

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looks like Samsung doesn't believe in 10 bit and 120 hz at the same time...

http://www.panelook.com/bramodlist.p...size_inch=6500

so i recommend you to lay back set it to 8 bit forget this 10 bit garbage and just enjoy.
I am a mostly satisfied Samsung 120Hz owner. Granted my older plasma still has a better picture and Samsung is less interesting now that they don't make OLEDs.

Seems like a poor decision from a company that used to be associated with the best image quality in its heyday, taking over the throne from Sony. But, like you said, maybe no one will notice.

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I must be lucky, I only have dropped frames with 3D, with 2D at least in UHD I get a dropped frame every hour or so, which is perfectly acceptable.

12bits works fine on my display (pixel shader, not passthrough), so I guess that's luck too as I don't need a 10bits mode. I didn't need it with the UB900 either, but I know many users did.

There is really little incentive for me to upgrade from 385.28, except if one day a new driver made no frame drop in 3D possible.

Did you have a chance to see if the levels are fixed?
Full -> Full -> Full has been working here for some time. I haven't tried any other configuration. This was verified with test patterns.

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Seems like a poor decision from a company that used to be associated with the best image quality in its heyday, taking over the throne from Sony. But, like you said, maybe no one will notice.
They know what they're doing..
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Don't bother wasting your time like I just did. This new pos driver...Yep, I'm disappointed..... again.
There is no knowing if anyone has reported these issues to Nvidia. Although, they seem to be so incompetent at not bug testing anything that I wonder if these issues have been reported several driver versions ago and not fixed due to neglect.
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They know what they're doing..
I think so, too. But choices like that make me wonder if they are trying to cut costs to improve margins. If so, I'm not impressed.
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* display peak nits edit control now accepts down to 80 Nits (formerly 120 Nits)
Is it just me or does this control now only accept down to 100 Nits?

It would be nice if this control accepted down to 50 Nits.

edit: The other issue I notice is that SD resolution deinterlaced 25i > 50p content is being displayed at 1080p60, where as HD resolution deinterlaced 25i > 50p is displaying at 1080p75.

Any idea why madvr uses is selecting the 1080p60 display mode for SD?
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I think so, too. But choices like that make me wonder if they are trying to cut costs to improve margins. If so, I'm not impressed.
It's ALWAYS about margins. Their bet is on MicroLED. You won't see any TV OLED from them for the home market ever.

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The other issue I notice is that SD resolution deinterlaced 25i > 50p content is being displayed at 1080p60, where as HD resolution deinterlaced 25i > 50p is displaying at 1080p75.

Any idea why madvr uses is selecting the 1080p60 display mode for SD?
Did it before?

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Did it before?
I'm reasonably positive it did not (with 0.92.12).
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