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Old 4th December 2019, 13:56   #57981  |  Link
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FSE does not work as well as Windowed on a 5700 XT. I'm betting if you didn't noticed the difference you are not pushing the 5700 XT very hard. When I tried it the other day I was surprised it worked, but then I looked at the OSD and could clearly see the difference (even though both worked).

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Old 4th December 2019, 14:11   #57982  |  Link
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rendertimes on a RX 5700 are pretty meaningless the clocks are changed very aggressively i even get lower rendertimes in FSE then windowed.

there is even still a way to get the old FSE but not this topic again.
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Old 4th December 2019, 15:19   #57983  |  Link
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I'm betting if you didn't noticed the difference you are not pushing the 5700 XT very hard.
You're right, I don't need highest settings, but these are at least sufficient for me So when higher settings are being used which use lots of GPU calculation then the difference are higher rendering times when using exclusive mode on newer Win10 because it's not a "real" exclusive one anymore?
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Old 4th December 2019, 15:28   #57984  |  Link
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Thanks for the help. I'll use windowed mode and hope for some update for win 10.

(Weird it worked the day before but might be an update or something I installed on the new install)
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Old 4th December 2019, 15:44   #57985  |  Link
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then the 1050 should be able to do the same to upscale to a resolution of 3440x1440p that pretty much the same work load because in both cases you are scale up to 3840x2180 and downscale this to the target resolution as long as you are not using error diffusion or other filter the work is very similar.

so are you sure you are already using NGU high?
At least it is what the OSD says. I use ordered dithering.
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Old 4th December 2019, 15:46   #57986  |  Link
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What's the point of doubling 1080 content on a 1080 screen? Wouldn't sharpen/enhance detail do the job for much lower GPU load? Or are you speaking of SD material?
I don't double 1080 content on my 1440 desktop screen even though I'm sitting so close to it, Jinc is just fine. Doubling is worth it for "800p" 2.39:1 content though.
My monitor has 2.37:1 AR and I mostly watch movies in that AR, 1920x1080p movies don't need any upscaling or doubling, the other movies 816p, 800p they do need doubling.

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oddly i find the opposite with FSE, when deployed i have no issues, without it I get small glitches here and there and black screens now and again, havent tried it off again since I moved to RX 5700, i'm still on 1809
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Old 4th December 2019, 22:09   #57988  |  Link
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What's the point of doubling 1080 content on a 1080 screen? Wouldn't sharpen/enhance detail do the job for much lower GPU load?
I did this on my plasma and it was beautiful. High quality upscaling and downscaling NGU sharp and SSIM 2D produce a superior image to say just sharpening alone. I used it for all cinema content with no extra sharpening required. You need a good GPU to pull this off.
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Old 5th December 2019, 04:47   #57989  |  Link
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I did this on my plasma and it was beautiful. High quality upscaling and downscaling NGU sharp and SSIM 2D produce a superior image to say just sharpening alone. I used it for all cinema content with no extra sharpening required. You need a good GPU to pull this off.
Ya, SSIM 2D much better than SSIM 1D. Maybe instead of using SSIM 1D, not using doubling is better.
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Old 5th December 2019, 05:02   #57990  |  Link
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Just depends on what sharpening you want at the end of the day. Fire up your favorite content and just watch for comparison. You should be able to determine a preference.
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Ya, SSIM 2D much better than SSIM 1D. Maybe instead of using SSIM 1D, not using doubling is better.
I think the benefit is from doing the sharpening at a the higher resolution. SSIM 2D is sharper than SSIM 1D but using bicubic downscaling is probably better than running the sharpening at the native resolution, assuming you do like the sharpening done at higher resolutions. It can look more natural after downscaling but it also ends up being not as strong.

If you don't want to sharpen at the doubled resolution it is pointless to double and then do a 50% downscale anyway.
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Ya, SSIM 2D much better than SSIM 1D. Maybe instead of using SSIM 1D, not using doubling is better.
SSIM 2D is more demanding than SSIM 1D...Can't use it with my 1050 Ti.
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you can just go into the nvidia control panel and test what you could do at 1440p by activating DSR x1.5 and setting the windows desktop to ~1440p. not 100 % accurate but close enough if you are careful.

this is obviously bad for image quality but that's not the point here.
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Old 6th December 2019, 03:19   #57994  |  Link
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I managed to get FSE working without any dropped frames of glitches by disabling v-sync in Madvr and enabling g-sync and v-sync in Nvidia control panel.
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Old 6th December 2019, 03:24   #57995  |  Link
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Upscaling 1080p....
Using NGU Standard.
Luma doubling is "medium"
Activate doubling is "always"

Someone help me... Luma is the actual grey scale image...? The resolution?
Because my 1080p video is still outputting at 1080p....
Shoukd it not be 2160p with doubling?
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Old 6th December 2019, 03:27   #57996  |  Link
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Or maybe it isn't...?
Scale 0,0,1920,1080 - 0,0,3840,2160
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Old 6th December 2019, 03:46   #57997  |  Link
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Small question, how do save your Madvr settings? Is it enough saving the registry at "Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\madshi"?
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Old 6th December 2019, 08:01   #57998  |  Link
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AFAIA absolutely everything that's saved in the settings.bin (if madVR has write permission to it's own directory) is also saved under that location in the registry. I like to have the bin file as well and keep that backed up.
You can export the madVR registry location you specified or you can allow write access to madVR's installed folder and have madVR create the settings.bin which you can then copy.
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Ah oke, I'll also keep both settings.bin and the registry backup.
Thanks for the help.
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Old 6th December 2019, 18:33   #58000  |  Link
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Hope someone can help with display modes. I currently have madvr display modes set as 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p25, 2160p29, 2160p30, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60. but still dont get smooth playback changed all the motion controls on tv but cant it perfect. Also tried the smooth motion options in madvr. My question is, is all content tv shows movies in 23/24hz? anything i watch is shown as 24p on my tv. The resolution changes but the frames per second always stays at 24p. Samsung qled Q9fn with gtx1080 i7 7700k. rendering settings under 35ms
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