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Old 25th November 2016, 07:56   #40721  |  Link
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Here are 4 samples.
@640x352 in JPEG format..
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Old 25th November 2016, 08:41   #40722  |  Link
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madVR v0.90.20 released

http://madshi.net/madVR.zip

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* added workaround for weird crash with latest AMD beta drivers
Is that workaround still present? madVR was working fine on my old R9-280X, but for the RX 480 it doesn't like DirectX 11 presentation mode etc. This is running latest insider build plus Crimson 16.11.4. I'm wondering whether the 'workaround' is actually causing issues with the latest card series on the latest insider Windows if the underlying issue has been rectified.
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Old 25th November 2016, 11:08   #40723  |  Link
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try an older version that doesn't have the workaround.
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Old 25th November 2016, 11:26   #40724  |  Link
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Does Madshi had his own recommended settings for MadVR? Because I know there are others like me who doesn't want to be a scientist just to try all the settings and combinations possible for MadVR, and would just like to have an optimized, author/creator recommended settings.

If anyone of you happens to spot Madshi's own recommended settings, then I'm all ears and eyes. Guess I'm just getting tired of trying all the possibilities and just want to spend that testing time into quality time with my collection of Anime's and Movies.
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Old 25th November 2016, 12:01   #40725  |  Link
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RyuzakiL, read Warner306's guide, it has a section with solid recommended settings for low to high end video cards.
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Old 25th November 2016, 12:22   #40726  |  Link
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Does Madshi had his own recommended settings for MadVR? Because I know there are others like me who doesn't want to be a scientist just to try all the settings and combinations possible for MadVR, and would just like to have an optimized, author/creator recommended settings.

If anyone of you happens to spot Madshi's own recommended settings, then I'm all ears and eyes. Guess I'm just getting tired of trying all the possibilities and just want to spend that testing time into quality time with my collection of Anime's and Movies.
I know the feeling; I have simply too little time for any meaningful zooming-in-and-comparing-screenshots. But it's hard to give recommendations when a lot is up to preference.

Here are some reasonable starting points partly based on recent posts by madshi and others, according to which I've set up my madvr:

1. Use NGU low/med/high (depending on your system's performance) for luma doubling. Choma doubling not as "necessary".
2. For luma upscaler, pick Jinc AR if you have the horsepower or Catmull-Rom 75 AR for a less taxing option.
3. Set chroma upscaling to NGU (I can't see a difference in normal viewing between low/med/high) or Catmull-Rom 75 AR.
4. Downscaling: Bicubic 150 AR. When downscaling straight without upscaling/doubling first (i.e. native 4K to 1080p screen), you might want to try SSIM 1D or 2D.
4. For dithering, Error Diffusion 2 or ordered dithering (I can see no difference between these in normal viewing)
5. For SD content, use option "add grain", for HD (I'd say 720p and up) use "soften edges". Both either at strength 1 or 2.
6. If you have the horsepower and want some (sometimes placebo) improvement, feel free to crank up the settings but watch the temps!

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Old 25th November 2016, 13:28   #40727  |  Link
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2. For luma upscaler, pick Jinc AR if you have the horsepower
Just remember that this will also be the upscaler used for chroma doubling if you're only doubling luma, so if you turned off chroma doubling for performance reasons you might want to pick a less demanding image upscaler to go along with it.
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Old 25th November 2016, 14:53   #40728  |  Link
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Since I pretty much always upscale, I thought it always said ">" for the algorithm in the OSD. So now I just realized that > is upscaling and < is downscaling. Isn't that kind of backwards? A > looks like it becomes smaller (because we read left to right) and < becomes bigger.
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Old 25th November 2016, 15:42   #40729  |  Link
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So after messing around for a week this is the result on 1440p(I miss my 1080p monitor for lowres content purposes).
r9 390 nitro/i72600 win10 x64

http://imgur.com/efwtjWw
640x480 839kbsp

debandingl med/high no anti ringing
sharpen edges 1.0, thin edges 1.0, anti bloat 100, anti-ringing
crhoma NGU med, superes 1
SSIM 1D 100/AR/LL/AB100
Doubling luma always x2 super sampling NGU med
image upscaling Lanczos 3/AR/SL
image refiniment SR2 AR(no LL)

any advice on improvement?
no NNDI3 though I hate toasting my hardware

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Old 25th November 2016, 15:52   #40730  |  Link
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So after messing around for a week this is the result on 1440p(I miss my 1080p monitor for lowres content purposes).
r9 390 nitro/i72600 win10 x64

http://imgur.com/efwtjWw
640x480 839kbsp

debandingl med/high no anti ringing
sharpen edges 1.0, thin edges 1.0, anti bloat 100, anti-ringing
crhoma NGU med, superes 1
SSIM 1D 100/AR/LL/AB100
Doubling luma always x2 super sampling NGU med
image upscaling Lanczos 3/AR/SL
image refiniment SR2 AR(no LL)

any advice on improvement?
no NNDI3 though I hate toasting my hardware
Remove all image enhancements and upscaling refinements except soften edges and add grain (i prefer both on 1). Ditch always - 2x supersampling. I really like smoothmotion, you might want to give it a try. Dithering: Error Diffusion 2.

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Old 25th November 2016, 16:58   #40731  |  Link
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Why ED2 and not just ordered dithering?
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Old 25th November 2016, 17:12   #40732  |  Link
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list all display modes madVR may switch to: 1080p24, 1080p50, 1080p60
  1. http://mir.cr/SX2EUCS8
    ReClock reports 23.976 fps. madVR OSD reports 29.970 fps, deinterlacing off. According to the activated profile the following is true: 25<=deintFps<31.
    • [ ] disable automatic source type detection
      madVR switches the display to 60 Hz.
    • [x] disable automatic source type detection (.) film mode
      madVR switches the display to 24 Hz.

    Why does forcing to film mode change things? Which FPS is correct - madVR's or ReClock's?
  2. http://mir.cr/0TO7HKQ7
    [x] PAL SpeedDown (in ReClock), [x] treat 25p movies as 24p (in madVR).
    madVR switches the display to 24 Hz. According to the activated profile the following is true: deintFps=25.

    Why isn't deintFps equal to 24?
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Old 25th November 2016, 17:45   #40733  |  Link
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Remove all image enhancements and upscaling refinements except soften edges and add grain (i prefer both on 1). Ditch always - 2x supersampling. I really like smoothmotion, you might want to give it a try. Dithering: Error Diffusion 2.
do not like soften edges on anime, grain is good yes
smooth motion is kind of useless on 144hz monitor
put doubling to always when needed- yeah slightly less artifacts

still think sr2 AR looks good on solid colors, dunno maybe it's my monitor and eyes combination creates this placebo
thin and sharpen edges is meh, agree
error diffusion 2 is always on
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Old 25th November 2016, 18:02   #40734  |  Link
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I personally set the dithering option last. I choose Error Diffusion 2 over Ordered Dithering if I've got performance to spare.

That said, at my regular 8 bit output, I can discern no difference whatsoever between them from my normal viewing spot. I think I had to lower the bits to 6 or so before I saw the difference with my nose glued to the screen. So... ED2 for me is pure placebo but I don't mind as it makes me feel like the quality is better (same thing with my audiophile hobby).

Hmm... ED2 is by and large regarded as "better", right?

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Old 25th November 2016, 18:13   #40735  |  Link
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Hmm... ED2 is by and large regarded as "better", right?
I like ED1 more with my current monitor but I liked ED2 more with my previous one. Not that I feel too strongly about it, they are both good and very similar.
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Old 25th November 2016, 18:54   #40736  |  Link
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Seems to be plenty of knowledgeable people on this thread so I'll take a chance someone here can help me. I have a JVC-RS600 projector and HTPC and recently sold my Oppo blu-ray player thinking I can simply rip my BRs to the HTPC and use jRiver/MadVr to scale 1080p to 2160, where my projector will then take it the rest of the way to an e-shifted 4k picture.

Even with simple doubling of sbrx-100 for both luma and chroma, image enhancements SR-3. I get a great picture, and I would be fine if it wasn't for just one thing:

My eyes are pretty sensitive to motion judder. Mind you, my projector does 23.976 fps and I am able to playback my content at the proper FPS (i believe it is correct anyway) with 0% clock deviation from player to display. However, my white-whale exists as a video signal that looks like film with the motion smoothness of 60hz/120hz but without that fake-plasticky-SOE. My projector, even at the lowest CMD (clear motion-drive) setting, looks like a mexican soap opera. Even with an Oppo 103D blu-ray player, I still experience the same (if not more) judder than when playing movies from my HTPC -- therefore I sold it.

I've been told a professional calibration could possibly reduce the judder/motionblur I experience and as a result I have a guy coming out in January. In the meantime, I intend to keep tinkering with madVr and NGU. I only have a Radaeon R9 280 (3GB OC X-fire something) and it does 1080p ->2160p via sbxr-100 (luma and chrome) with SR-3 without any problems. My next step is going to be to audition a gtx 1080 and see if that helps any.

Has anyone any advice for smoothing out the motion a little without trashing my film-quality image?

Thank in advance!
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Old 25th November 2016, 19:05   #40737  |  Link
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I like ED1 more with my current monitor but I liked ED2 more with my previous one. Not that I feel too strongly about it, they are both good and very similar.
Error Diffusion option 1- Windows 7 and new, DirectX 11 and monitor support 8 bit and high.
Error Diffusion option 2 all ident option 1, only monitor support 6 bit.
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Error Diffusion option 1- Windows 7 and new, DirectX 11 and monitor support 8 bit and high.
Error Diffusion option 2 all ident option 1, only monitor support 6 bit.
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Old 25th November 2016, 20:21   #40739  |  Link
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dithering/algorithm:-
  • None: Do not choose this unless you have really crappy GPU. Choose this only for performance reasons because the quality is crap.
  • Random dithering: Also do not choose this unless you have really crappy GPU. Choose this only for performance reasons.
  • Ordered dithering: Choose this if your GPU is not crap but do not support DirectX 11, or if you still happened to use Windows XP.
  • Error Diffusion option 1: Choose this if you use Windows 7 or later, have a DirectX 11 discrete GPU with decent horsepower, and preferably use a monitor with 8-bit display bitdepth or higher.
  • Error Diffusion option 2: Choose this if you use Windows 7 or later, have a DirectX 11 discrete GPU with decent horsepower, and use a monitor with 6-bit display bitdepth.


dithering/options:-
  • Use colored noise: Best used with the two error diffusion options above. Do not enable in conjunction with the first three dithering algorithms.
  • change dither with every frame: Enable this option
https://imouto.my/tutorials/madvr/

I don't use every suggested setting from this guide or know if they are accurate or not but on my wide gamut display, ED1 looks better. On my gaming TN monitor, I can not tell the difference so I just use ordered on that. YMMV.

And to people asking about the "best" settings... If you would like someone to suggest settings to you, please provide your PC specs, monitor/TV model#, etc., and if you can calibrate your display at the very minimum. In the end, trust in your eyes. If you can't tell the difference, does it matter?

@madshi I was testing the HDR functionality of madvr using some samples from the demo-uhd site (life of pi) and tried the "film & tv" app from the microsoft store and it recognizes the hdr video and does its own thing. I was wondering what it was doing since I couldn't set madvr to display the same way?
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Old 25th November 2016, 20:24   #40740  |  Link
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is there an notable performance difference between random and ordered dithering?
and even if your GPU is crap you should never choice none...
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