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Old 10th December 2019, 21:18   #58121  |  Link
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i meant has anyone tried logging a fault to AMD based on this fix in that we appear to know exactly what the problem is now?
My poor English will not allow me to correctly describe the essence of the issue. If you prepare a text, I will prepare materials using HDFury.
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Old 10th December 2019, 21:43   #58122  |  Link
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Hi, that shader does the trick, couple of questions,

what does that tell us about the problem, does this mean its definately an API issue and we can take this straight to AMD and have them fix it, has anyone tried this yet?

If this indeed an API problem I dont understand how one owner of a 5700 can have a problem in MADVR and another doesnt.
Sorry, no idea about that. I only identified the problem and it occurred to me how to solve it. It has been said that it happens because some AMD drivers get confused with the gamut flag placed by madVR, but I don't know. But if this doesn't happen with the EVR, then it's an issue with madVR not with the drivers.

The shader can be automated in terms of the resolution of the video, for example to work only with videos with a height greater than 1080.
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Old 10th December 2019, 21:51   #58123  |  Link
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If this indeed an API problem I dont understand how one owner of a 5700 can have a problem in MADVR and another doesnt.
Perhaps he has an old AMD driver installed - 19.4.3 and earlier.
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Old 10th December 2019, 22:50   #58124  |  Link
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Perhaps he has an old AMD driver installed -
drivers support for 5700 started a 19.7.1 so it cant be that unfortunately.

I cant log a fault at the moment I cant get to my GFX serial number as I cant take my card out until the weekend at the earliest.
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Old 10th December 2019, 23:02   #58125  |  Link
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i submitted the issue to AMD, if they need any more specific info i'll post here or PM you.
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Old 10th December 2019, 23:03   #58126  |  Link
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The shader can be automated in terms of the resolution of the video, for example to work only with videos with a height greater than 1080.
dont suppose you know if it can be used in KODI DS, MPC-HC isnt my main player.
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Old 11th December 2019, 00:43   #58127  |  Link
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adrenalin 2020 would have been a nice time to fix this issue.. did they,..., nope..
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Old 11th December 2019, 09:41   #58128  |  Link
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Speaking of Adrenalin, you could maybe lay off the 4 posts in a row. This feels like the full "overblown reds" saga again.

Its madVR, Driver, madVR, driver....I know it needs its own thread, 38 posts later....
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Old 11th December 2019, 13:08   #58129  |  Link
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hey so im trying to match my tv q9fn with the refresh rate of 23.976 or double it with custom resolution utility. but my tv isnt supported at those resolutions. im trying to find a way on mpc hc but it doesnt change when i set it on options>fullscreen>use autochange fullscreen monitor. is there any way to change it in madvr. im changing it in madvr settings>custom trying to get double the video fps 23.976*2 = 47.952 but it tells me my gpu has rejected this
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Old 11th December 2019, 13:22   #58130  |  Link
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yeah, fair enough madjock but no real harm done, its just a forum mate

i'll report back though if I hear anything from AMD on this.
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... gpu has rejected this
Use the timing details of that resolution-refreshrate combo and create it with CRU and check if the TV supports it.
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Old 11th December 2019, 18:22   #58132  |  Link
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Speaking of refresh rates, which option is better - to overclock your display with higher refresh rate and leave it to be the default example 72 Hz, or make a lower refresh rate like 48 Hz and set madvr to switch it when the playback starts?

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Old 11th December 2019, 19:04   #58133  |  Link
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sorry but timing details from where (control panel, cru, madvr)? Ive managed to set it at 23.975 in cru it wont do double but laso would there be a better experience trying to work out how to get the output to be double 47.952hz?
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from madvr suggested timing details. It depends what you like best, I personally want to keep the filmlook like the filmmaker wanted it to look, so I use straight 23 Hz.
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Old 11th December 2019, 19:31   #58135  |  Link
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yeh ive managed to fix it. got it at 23.975 and it switched automatically when playing videos in madvr. thanks alot its made a huge difference matching the refresh to the source. also going to stop looking for things like this and then spending hours trying to solve them lol. thankyou very much for all your help i appreciate it loads
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Old 11th December 2019, 23:10   #58136  |  Link
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I personally want to keep the filmlook like the filmmaker wanted it to look, so I use straight 23 Hz.
24 or 48 Hz are identical as far as the film look goes. There is no frame rate conversion or anything (assuming smooth motion is off, which is should be with a tuned refresh rate). All that happens is that the frame is displayed twice. This is not perceptible, it really is identical to watching at 23 Hz, so there is no downside to using 48 Hz if your display has trouble with 23 Hz or if you simply want your mouse more responsive when watching 23 fps content.
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Old 12th December 2019, 05:16   #58137  |  Link
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I know but why hassle if the TV can not display special framerates, the native do work at least. Maybe I was not clearly enough, I personally prefer 23 Hz over smooth motion at high refresh rate because this is not like the filmmaker wanted it to look.

I tried already some time ago twice refresh rates but only a very old Monitor did accept such a refresh rate, every TV I tried didn‘t supported it.
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I personally prefer 23 Hz over smooth motion at high refresh rate because this is not like the filmmaker wanted it to look.
What do you mean by smooth motion enabled with high refresh rates? Like 72, 96, 120, 144 Hz + smooth motion?
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Old 12th December 2019, 11:25   #58139  |  Link
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I personally prefer 23 Hz over smooth motion at high refresh rate because this is not like the filmmaker wanted it to look.
You can "personally prefer it" that's fine, I prefer it also but it's because the image is noticeably sharper on my current and previous set.

To say it's "Not as the filmmaker intended" is getting confused with the recommendation of filmmakers for disabling motion interpolation which I agree with as it actually presents the film quite differently from intended.

Smooth Motion actually attempts to display it actually as the filmmaker intended. Most purists would agree with matching refresh rates to source frame rates but for some there is not a noticeable difference between the two.

Also recall the calculations done by Asmodian not that long ago that show that the higher the refresh rate the better Smooth Motion performs with less blended frames.
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Hi, just wondering, why does doubling refresh rate make it look sharper?
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