Old RealAnime discussion - Page 2

midiguy · 2nd July 2003, 06:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Sirber
IMO, RV9 don't PP, but just don't add details when bitrate is too low...

As far as I know, details aren't added (they're taken away).

karl_lillevold · 2nd July 2003, 06:27

i always wanted to write a grain creating postfilter. Maybe someone could write it, and contribute to Helix.. There is clearly demand for it. Some codecs spend 30% of their bitrate to convey accurate grain information. It would seem better to instead let the user choose their preferred level of graininess, and save those 30%. I know preferences vary as to how much grain looks nice.

bill_baroud · 2nd July 2003, 19:48

yay \o/ that would just be great Karl !

TrBarry just created an avisynth filter in this way, called AddGrain ... or perhaps it should be called addRain

there is some "Noise" algorithm used in ffdshow to grain to picture too.

btw, Sirber, my first RV9 test at 300kbps (with ehq/dup, Karl's jobfile) just showed me some moving squares and nothing else :P

well resolution was 834x480

(rv9 is confusing eh, i didn't resize)
so i was not hoping for a miracle

Sirber · 2nd July 2003, 20:53

whjat was the source? I never said every encode will look great at 300kbps...

bill_baroud · 2nd July 2003, 21:13

hmm ... perhaps you never say it, but it's just what's you're telling everywhere (at least it's how i've understand it). But no offense, i respect every opinion, and mine is different.
That's why i wanted to re-test that rv9 myself to saw it with my own eyes, and if it's that good or not.

well, source was Soultaker Opening, Mpeg4 V2 with PCM audio, 834x480 from japanese hdtv (46mb for 1:29). The quality is SHQ .... far better from a DVD i would say.

It's a clip with a lot of motion, noisy part, fog part, and some flashy color ... a true torture clip

Xvid (the stable one ... 14/10 cause i runned that test in November 2002) performed well at 640x368 / 17mb.

now rv9 at 10mb is not good (blurred background & edges) but i think a lot of improvements is possible in the 7mb left. (hm, i need to redo xvid test too)

Sirber · 2nd July 2003, 22:19

Use the lastest XviD unstable, and use my GUI, which include the lastest producer. DOn't use DropDupe yet, it generate audio problems.

Sirber · 3rd July 2003, 03:18

RC4 will be out soon

Bugfix:
* Resize moved from commandline to jobfile
* DropDupe and audio related problems

New Features:
* Crop

Sirber · 4th July 2003, 21:50

RC5 is out!!!!

Bugfix:
* All filters moved to jobfile

New Features:
* Black Level Correction
* Resize

ToDo:
* Crop (still buggy)

Link: See first post

GoWaN · 6th July 2003, 21:05

Trying your software after adding the files and pushed "start encoding" gave me an runtime error (53) of file not found. What I'm doing wrong? WinXP (spanish) with Service pack here.

Sirber · 7th July 2003, 01:48

RUn time error. Does Producer don't start or it's RealAnime that crash?

Sirber · 7th July 2003, 02:07

New version!!!

V1.00, final one.

New features:
* Unlimited bitrate selection!!!
* Crop

kaede · 7th July 2003, 07:38

sweet. no more low bitrate encoding

IMHO i dont care the codec but 800-1500 bitrate always looks much sexier than lower ones.

GoWaN · 7th July 2003, 09:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Sirber
RUn time error. Does Producer don't start or it's RealAnime that crash?

Producer doesn't start. The message error pops just after I push encode button. Now I am downloading 1.00 version, I'll try and tell you what happens.

edit: Keeps showing the same error message. Could it be due to lack of vb6 libraries, I'm not sure if I have them. Where I could download them?

Sirber · 7th July 2003, 13:01

http://5star.freeserve.com/Utilities/files/vbrun60.exe

I hope this will resolve your problem.

GoWaN · 7th July 2003, 13:30

It didn't

I'll try to fight with the command line

Rumbah · 7th July 2003, 23:06

I get the same error message every time I push the encode button. I have WinXP German with service pack #1.

PS: Could you please add the 44kbit sound, because I often use the 44kbit mono music sound codec for anime series that are seldom stereo. There 44kbit is enough.

Sirber · 7th July 2003, 23:19

I'll try

I want to rewrite it in Delphi. VB isn't good IMO

GoWaN · 8th July 2003, 14:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Sirber
I'll try

I want to rewrite it in Delphi. VB isn't good IMO

Me too

Sirber · 8th July 2003, 14:50

I guess "Start encoding" don't work on some system because I use wierd API calls. While I'm creating ot in Delphi, there is a way to start the encode directly for 1 file:

producer.exe -j c:\job_tmp.rpjf

You can edit the bojfile after each encode and restart producer with it.

Rumbah · 8th July 2003, 17:32

I wanted to try that, but there isn't such a file! Perhaps that causes the error?

2nd July 2003, 06:27	#22 \| Link
karl_lillevold Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,584	i always wanted to write a grain creating postfilter. Maybe someone could write it, and contribute to Helix.. There is clearly demand for it. Some codecs spend 30% of their bitrate to convey accurate grain information. It would seem better to instead let the user choose their preferred level of graininess, and save those 30%. I know preferences vary as to how much grain looks nice. __________________ This information is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, grants no rights, and reflects my personal opinion.

2nd July 2003, 20:53	#24 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	whjat was the source? I never said every encode will look great at 300kbps... __________________ Detritus Software

2nd July 2003, 22:19	#26 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	Use the lastest XviD unstable, and use my GUI, which include the lastest producer. DOn't use DropDupe yet, it generate audio problems. __________________ Detritus Software

3rd July 2003, 03:18	#27 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	RC4 will be out soon Bugfix: * Resize moved from commandline to jobfile * DropDupe and audio related problems New Features: * Crop __________________ Detritus Software

4th July 2003, 21:50	#28 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	RC5 is out!!!! Bugfix: * All filters moved to jobfile New Features: * Black Level Correction * Resize ToDo: * Crop (still buggy) Link: See first post __________________ Detritus Software

2nd July 2003, 19:48	#23 \| Link
bill_baroud Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 407	yay \o/ that would just be great Karl ! TrBarry just created an avisynth filter in this way, called AddGrain ... or perhaps it should be called addRain there is some "Noise" algorithm used in ffdshow to grain to picture too. btw, Sirber, my first RV9 test at 300kbps (with ehq/dup, Karl's jobfile) just showed me some moving squares and nothing else :P well resolution was 834x480 (rv9 is confusing eh, i didn't resize) so i was not hoping for a miracle

2nd July 2003, 21:13	#25 \| Link
bill_baroud Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 407	hmm ... perhaps you never say it, but it's just what's you're telling everywhere (at least it's how i've understand it). But no offense, i respect every opinion, and mine is different. That's why i wanted to re-test that rv9 myself to saw it with my own eyes, and if it's that good or not. well, source was Soultaker Opening, Mpeg4 V2 with PCM audio, 834x480 from japanese hdtv (46mb for 1:29). The quality is SHQ .... far better from a DVD i would say. It's a clip with a lot of motion, noisy part, fog part, and some flashy color ... a true torture clip Xvid (the stable one ... 14/10 cause i runned that test in November 2002) performed well at 640x368 / 17mb. now rv9 at 10mb is not good (blurred background & edges) but i think a lot of improvements is possible in the 7mb left. (hm, i need to redo xvid test too)

6th July 2003, 21:05	#29 \| Link
GoWaN Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hio, Galicia. Posts: 19	Trying your software after adding the files and pushed "start encoding" gave me an runtime error (53) of file not found. What I'm doing wrong? WinXP (spanish) with Service pack here. __________________ This path that I've chosen's a rocky one Long, hard and frozen it has become Each turn that I've taken on the way has only led me back to Hell I am dying down… growing weaker now It could seem that I'm doing fine but I'm broken to little pieces deep inside

7th July 2003, 01:48	#30 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	RUn time error. Does Producer don't start or it's RealAnime that crash? __________________ Detritus Software

7th July 2003, 02:07	#31 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	New version!!! V1.00, final one. New features: * Unlimited bitrate selection!!! * Crop __________________ Detritus Software

7th July 2003, 07:38	#32 \| Link
kaede Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8	sweet. no more low bitrate encoding IMHO i dont care the codec but 800-1500 bitrate always looks much sexier than lower ones.

7th July 2003, 13:01	#34 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	http://5star.freeserve.com/Utilities/files/vbrun60.exe I hope this will resolve your problem. __________________ Detritus Software

7th July 2003, 13:30	#35 \| Link
GoWaN Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hio, Galicia. Posts: 19	It didn't I'll try to fight with the command line __________________ This path that I've chosen's a rocky one Long, hard and frozen it has become Each turn that I've taken on the way has only led me back to Hell I am dying down… growing weaker now It could seem that I'm doing fine but I'm broken to little pieces deep inside

7th July 2003, 23:06	#36 \| Link
Rumbah Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 480	I get the same error message every time I push the encode button. I have WinXP German with service pack #1. PS: Could you please add the 44kbit sound, because I often use the 44kbit mono music sound codec for anime series that are seldom stereo. There 44kbit is enough.

7th July 2003, 23:19	#37 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	I'll try I want to rewrite it in Delphi. VB isn't good IMO __________________ Detritus Software

8th July 2003, 14:50	#39 \| Link
Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	I guess "Start encoding" don't work on some system because I use wierd API calls. While I'm creating ot in Delphi, there is a way to start the encode directly for 1 file: producer.exe -j c:\job_tmp.rpjf You can edit the bojfile after each encode and restart producer with it. __________________ Detritus Software

8th July 2003, 17:32	#40 \| Link
Rumbah Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 480	I wanted to try that, but there isn't such a file! Perhaps that causes the error?

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