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Old 26th March 2009, 06:33   #2201  |  Link
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I think if jdobbs put in the first post of this thread this thread would be easier to read:
- current decoding workarounds which a lot of the posts in this thread are and aren't even BD-RB bugs
- list of known bugs that he can work on and update the list so hopefully no one else reports
- hidden ini settings and what they do

To begin with this thread was a discussion piece and it's still kind of that way. I'm guilty of this as well, it was the only BD-RB thread to at first. I've also reported a few bugs here as well and I've also tried helping others out with their bugs and workarounds. Reading through the same discussion over and over again could become annoying but luckily there is 'view last unread' as long as you don't get too far behind.
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Old 26th March 2009, 06:58   #2202  |  Link
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HD-DVD > BD9 audio problems

I've been trying to do a movie-only HD-DVD to BD9 of "12 Monkeys" and can't get the audio right: I followed the guide by Furiousflea, and BD-Rebuilder seems to run just fine, but the resulting BD9's m2ts file has no audio, though it is larger than the m2ts (which oddly *does* have audio) that is left in the "workfiles" directory created by BD-RB. I considered replacing the m2ts file in the BD9 output structure, but I'm guessing there might be conflicts with metadata contained elsewhere in the BD structure. Any thoughts on why the final shrunken workfile m2ts file plays back just fine, but no audio on the larger m2ts that is part of the proper output?

Also, thanks to jdobbs for letting us test this very useful program and everyone else who is contributing in their respective ways.
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Old 26th March 2009, 07:05   #2203  |  Link
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I encoded wanted, about 40gig to bd25. Full movie rip. Kept dts audio, everything works fine except the movie wont play. all the extras work just as expected, but selecting play or a chapter to start at, it does nothing. Before i try again has anyone had problems with wanted? I have done about 10 other bd25 conversions and they all worked fine. Using 20.03 full movie with extras, there where no errors during the re-encode. Great program btw. Appreciate all the hard work you are putting in this.
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Old 26th March 2009, 13:23   #2204  |  Link
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I've been trying to do a movie-only HD-DVD to BD9 of "12 Monkeys" and can't get the audio right: I followed the guide by Furiousflea, and BD-Rebuilder seems to run just fine, but the resulting BD9's m2ts file has no audio, though it is larger than the m2ts (which oddly *does* have audio) that is left in the "workfiles" directory created by BD-RB. I considered replacing the m2ts file in the BD9 output structure, but I'm guessing there might be conflicts with metadata contained elsewhere in the BD structure. Any thoughts on why the final shrunken workfile m2ts file plays back just fine, but no audio on the larger m2ts that is part of the proper output?

Also, thanks to jdobbs for letting us test this very useful program and everyone else who is contributing in their respective ways.
If you open a command prompt in the folder you extracted eac3to (hold shift while right clicking in the folder -> open command prompt here). Type...

eac3to -test

It will tell you what extra bits eac3to has\hasn't got access to. It could be that you are trying to decode an EAC3 to AC3 and the required decoder\encoder isn't there. Check in the EAC3TO thread in the audio forum (1st post) to be sure.

It turns out that you don't actually need to do the audio conversion and can leave it as is - even if EAC3 Reason I put that step in before was because BDRB wasn't picking up EAC3 streams, and technically EAC3 is only supposed to be used on bluray on streams with more than 5.1 channels. But I've seen a few BDs recently with 1\2 channel audio encoded in EAC3 so...It doesn't really matter.

I think that might be your problem, with the audio not playing.
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Old 26th March 2009, 18:16   #2205  |  Link
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Hi!

You might want to check out the following guide [The HD-DVD to BluRay portion] as an alternative:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

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I encoded wanted, about 40gig to bd25. Full movie rip. Kept dts audio, everything works fine except the movie wont play. all the extras work just as expected, but selecting play or a chapter to start at, it does nothing. Before i try again has anyone had problems with wanted? I have done about 10 other bd25 conversions and they all worked fine. Using 20.03 full movie with extras, there where no errors during the re-encode. Great program btw. Appreciate all the hard work you are putting in this.
Ive already posted that Wanted doesn't work a few weeks ago, it seems that there are a few Universal titles that exhibit the exact same behaviour, upto now i aint seen or heard JD reply to the problem....
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Old 26th March 2009, 23:12   #2207  |  Link
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I've been trying to do a movie-only HD-DVD to BD9 of "12 Monkeys" and can't get the audio right: I followed the guide by Furiousflea, and BD-Rebuilder seems to run just fine, but the resulting BD9's m2ts file has no audio, though it is larger than the m2ts (which oddly *does* have audio) that is left in the "workfiles" directory created by BD-RB. I considered replacing the m2ts file in the BD9 output structure, but I'm guessing there might be conflicts with metadata contained elsewhere in the BD structure. Any thoughts on why the final shrunken workfile m2ts file plays back just fine, but no audio on the larger m2ts that is part of the proper output?

Also, thanks to jdobbs for letting us test this very useful program and everyone else who is contributing in their respective ways.
Dolby Digital + streams in HD DVD are not Blu-ray compliant, on the titles i have done, i used eac3to to extract 6 wav files, then re-encode to 1500kbps DTS with DTS surcode, (this required me to have Nero 7.xx installed) remux back to the video file (note vc-1 files also need to be fixed) then run through BDRB to DVD-9
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Dolby Digital + streams in HD DVD are not Blu-ray compliant, on the titles i have done, i used eac3to to extract 6 wav files, then re-encode to 1500kbps DTS with DTS surcode, (this required me to have Nero 7.xx installed) remux back to the video file (note vc-1 files also need to be fixed) then run through BDRB to DVD-9
Interesting, and thank you for the information/advice--but I used eac3to (with HD-DVD/Blu-ray Stream Extractor) to extract the EAC3 stream as AC3: I believe this down-converts it to standard, BD-compliant AC3/DD audio (can someone confirm?). In fact, the audio plays back just fine (via Media Player Classic) on the resulting m2ts workfile after BD-RB has successfully completed, but not at all on the output m2ts file in the BD structure that BD-RB creates as its final step.
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Old 27th March 2009, 02:11   #2209  |  Link
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Interesting, and thank you for the information/advice--but I used eac3to (with HD-DVD/Blu-ray Stream Extractor) to extract the EAC3 stream as AC3: I believe this down-converts it to standard, BD-compliant AC3/DD audio (can someone confirm?). In fact, the audio plays back just fine (via Media Player Classic) on the resulting m2ts workfile after BD-RB has successfully completed, but not at all on the output m2ts file in the BD structure that BD-RB creates as its final step.
I use the exact steps that guy listed. Extract to wavs and encode with DTS Surcode...(surecode is not free). Nero BD\HD DVD plugin is also NOT free. Having Nero (must be version 7) installed is not enough. You have to pay for a serial to use the BD\HD DVD plugin. Also before you think of saving a few quid, there is NO valide keygen that will work to enable BD\HD DVD playback (even though it will say the serial is active, it won't active that Directshow decoding).

I only mention this piracy aspect, to avoid bug reports here. I do not advocate it and have actually purchased the plugin seperately. Think its about 15.

I'm not suggesting you are pirating, just a heads up if you find a brick wall etc.

To verify your extracted AC3 stream is valid, does it load ok when you add it to TSmuxer GUI? Is it listed as AC3.

( AC3+ IS in the Bluray standard. But the standard dictates that it can only be used on surround audio with more than 5.1 channels. However I can tell you 100% that it is actually used on a few of my Blurays as a mono directors commentry track)

So it's very unlikely that is your problem, though I would recommend against using it, as it isn't technically correct and fussy players might stick their tounge out at you.

As I said, just make sure that TSmuxer is showing an AC3 stream, make sure you chose a language or whatever also in the GUI.

Finally, just because your AC3 stream is playable doesn't mean it is valid for bluray...

I think HD DVDs have an AC3 core in the AC3+ track so you shouldn't need anything apart from eac3to....come to think of it? lol

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Old 27th March 2009, 02:13   #2210  |  Link
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Ive already posted that Wanted doesn't work a few weeks ago, it seems that there are a few Universal titles that exhibit the exact same behaviour, upto now i aint seen or heard JD reply to the problem....
Can you check if this "Wanted" has 2 video tracks for the main movie? Thanks
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Old 27th March 2009, 17:07   #2211  |  Link
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I've been trying to do a movie-only HD-DVD to BD9 of "12 Monkeys" and can't get the audio right: I followed the guide by Furiousflea, and BD-Rebuilder seems to run just fine, but the resulting BD9's m2ts file has no audio, though it is larger than the m2ts (which oddly *does* have audio) that is left in the "workfiles" directory created by BD-RB. I considered replacing the m2ts file in the BD9 output structure, but I'm guessing there might be conflicts with metadata contained elsewhere in the BD structure. Any thoughts on why the final shrunken workfile m2ts file plays back just fine, but no audio on the larger m2ts that is part of the proper output?

Also, thanks to jdobbs for letting us test this very useful program and everyone else who is contributing in their respective ways.
Yeah, replacing an M2TS causes issues. The CLPI file has vectors into M2TS packets and both the CLPI and MPLS have information related to the makeup of the M2TS.
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Old 27th March 2009, 17:46   #2212  |  Link
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Dolby Digital + streams in HD DVD are not Blu-ray compliant,\(note vc-1 files also need to be fixed)
I know Dolby Digital + is in the Blu-ray stabdard, but i also said that HD DVD dolby digital + isn't Blu-ray compliant ( i didn't feel the need to get technical), as for the original author of this problem, are you sure eac3to is extracting the core dolby digital 5.1? it doesn't sound like it is, also are you fixing your vc-1 stream before muxing (1080i 29.97fps fixed to 23.97 1080p)?
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I know Dolby Digital + is in the Blu-ray stabdard, but i also said that HD DVD dolby digital + isn't Blu-ray compliant ( i didn't feel the need to get technical), as for the original author of this problem, are you sure eac3to is extracting the core dolby digital 5.1? it doesn't sound like it is, also are you fixing your vc-1 stream before muxing (1080i 29.97fps fixed to 23.97 1080p)?
You don't need to do this anymore since versions from a couple of months ago

If what your talking about is after you extract the video elementary .vc1 stream then load it in Tsmuxer it shoes as 1080i instead of 1080p?

It was a bug in eac3to, it's in the changelog if you wanna make sure and will save you a bit of time in furure.

Also you can save time by not doing eac3to -> 6 mono wavs -> surecode -> dts audio. The GUI for eac3to doesn't have an option for DTS output but you if you just do it with the command line you can do it in one go...Very easy...

eac3to your_m2ts.m2ts

This will list the streams and more importantly the numbers 1:, 2:, 3: etc. Find the number that corresponds to the audio you want....Then...

eac3to your_m2ts.m2ts 1:\2:\3:...etc then output, in your case just put a .dts at the end....

For example...

eac3to c:\movie\movie.m2ts 4: c:\movie\movie.dts

This would extract the movie audio into wav and then compress with surecode in 1 go.

You can put in other numbers as well in the same command line if you want to demux\encode other tracks at the same time
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My thanks and apologies to all: it seems that similarities with an unrelated earlier error on my part--combined with a potentially buggy Media Player Classic--led me to believe the resulting m2ts file was defective as it wouldn't play back audio in MPC: it plays just fine once burned to BD9.

Thanks for all the advice, though: it still helped me to track down the error and to learn about the options and powers that the various programs involved allow me!
I'm having lots of fun using BD-Rebuilder.
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Got "DoEncoding() 00009 8" again this time while doing Leon film only to BD25, is it possible for me to rebuild the movie without the troublesome file? BDinfo shows it as 00:00:01 seconds and 24,576 bytes its the final file in the playlist
[16:09:09] BD Rebuilder v0.20.03 (beta)
- Source: LEON
- Input BD size: 31.69 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:12:51.380]
- Target BD size: 23.68 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[16:09:09] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [16:09:09] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00005]
- [16:17:56] Reencoding: VID_00005 (1 of 8)
- [21:52:59] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00006]
- [21:52:59] Reencoding: VID_00006 (2 of 8)
- [22:02:11] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00002]
- [22:02:11] Reencoding: VID_00002 (3 of 8)
- [01:09:53] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00008]
- [01:09:53] Reencoding: VID_00008 (4 of 8)
- [03:55:49] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00058]
- [03:55:49] Reencoding: VID_00058 (5 of 8)
- [05:12:02] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00059]
- [05:12:02] Reencoding: VID_00059 (6 of 8)
- [06:05:40] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00062]
- [06:05:40] Reencoding: VID_00062 (7 of 8)
- [09:15:39] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00075]
- [09:15:39] Reencoding: VID_00075 (8 of 8)
- [09:15:45] DoEncoding() 00009 8
I have had exactly the same problem today with LEON trying to do a BD9 movie only rebuild log below

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[18:47:37] BD Rebuilder v0.20.03 (beta)
- Source: LEON
- Input BD size: 31.69 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:12:51.380]
- Target BD size: 7.96 GB
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[18:47:37] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [18:47:37] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00005]
- [18:56:50] Collecting video information [00005]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 6,465 Kbs
- [18:56:50] Reencoding: VID_00005, Pass 1 of 2
- [20:32:57] Reencoding: VID_00005, Pass 2 of 2
- [00:27:58] Video Encode complete
- [00:27:58] Reencoding audio tracks
- [00:41:14] Multiplexing M2TS
- [00:42:51] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00006]
- [00:42:51] Collecting video information [00006]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 6,591 Kbs
- [00:42:51] Reencoding: VID_00006, Pass 1 of 2
- [00:45:11] Reencoding: VID_00006, Pass 2 of 2
- [00:51:01] Video Encode complete
- [00:51:01] Reencoding audio tracks
- [00:51:01] Multiplexing M2TS
- [00:51:04] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00002]
- [00:51:04] Collecting video information [00002]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 6,468 Kbs
- [00:51:04] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 1 of 2
- [02:40:40] Reencoding: VID_00002, Pass 2 of 2
- [04:39:13] Video Encode complete
- [04:39:13] Reencoding audio tracks
- [04:39:13] Multiplexing M2TS
- [04:40:02] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00008]
- [04:40:02] Collecting video information [00008]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 6,466 Kbs
- [04:40:02] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 1 of 2
- [05:22:19] Reencoding: VID_00008, Pass 2 of 2
- [07:07:36] Video Encode complete
- [07:07:36] Reencoding audio tracks
- [07:07:36] Multiplexing M2TS
- [07:08:09] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00058]
- [07:08:09] Collecting video information [00058]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 6,476 Kbs
- [07:08:09] Reencoding: VID_00058, Pass 1 of 2
- [07:27:33] Reencoding: VID_00058, Pass 2 of 2
- [08:15:58] Video Encode complete
- [08:15:58] Reencoding audio tracks
- [08:15:58] Multiplexing M2TS
- [08:16:16] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00059]
- [08:16:16] Collecting video information [00059]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 6,482 Kbs
- [08:16:16] Reencoding: VID_00059, Pass 1 of 2
- [08:29:26] Reencoding: VID_00059, Pass 2 of 2
- [09:02:31] Video Encode complete
- [09:02:31] Reencoding audio tracks
- [09:02:31] Multiplexing M2TS
- [09:02:43] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00062]
- [09:02:43] Collecting video information [00062]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 6,347 Kbs
- [09:02:43] Reencoding: VID_00062, Pass 1 of 2
- [10:00:23] Reencoding: VID_00062, Pass 2 of 2
- [12:20:47] Video Encode complete
- [12:20:47] Reencoding audio tracks
- [12:20:47] Multiplexing M2TS
- [12:21:48] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00075]
- [12:21:48] Collecting video information [00075]
- Video: 1920x1080, 23.976fps
- Bitrate: 37 Kbs
- [12:21:48] Reencoding: VID_00075, Pass 1 of 2
- [12:21:52] Reencoding: VID_00075, Pass 2 of 2
- [12:21:53] Video Encode complete
- [12:21:53] Reencoding audio tracks
- [12:21:53] Multiplexing M2TS
- [12:21:54] DoEncoding() 00009 8
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Failed to encode audio - error

I tried to convert "WAR" for the past few days with as a full and movie only backup.
Both come back with the same error.

I am using the latest version BD-Rebuilder - v0.20.03beta.
I do not want to roll back to a prior release.

I have backed up up other movies with this version and others without a problem(except WANTED(had to do movie only) and AMERICAN GANGSTER).

Here is the log:

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[01:45:24] BD Rebuilder v0.20.03 (beta)
  - Source:  WAR
  - Input BD size: 25.11 GB
  - Approximate total content: [01:43:00.215]
  - Target BD size: 22.90 GB
  - MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
[01:45:27] PHASE ONE, Encoding
 - [01:45:27] Extracting audio/subs [VID_00005]
 - [02:01:32] Reencoding: VID_00005 (1 of 1)
 - ERROR in attempt to reencode audio (AFTEN) [AUD_00005__4352.WAV]
[11:18:38] - Failed to reencode audio, aborted
Any help is appreciated.

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I have to say that the programme has been hugely successful so far but there are two or three reoccuring issues which seem to becoming more and more prominent. I wonder if there are workable solutions of whether jdobbs has an idea of how to address them.

I see them as:

1) Failed to reencode audio, aborted - this is obviously an external issue with the conversion of certain types
2) DoEncoding() - can't copy the original streams to recreate an image
3) Missing audio selection on standalones (seemingly put down to pip)
4) the vc1 m2ts extra files which x264 won't handle - assuming there isn't an easy fix would it be possible to select which streams to re-encode and then recalculate the size (using the min-encode size works but is too broadbrush if the problem extra is the largest one).
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BD Rebuilder v0.20.04 (beta)

Sorry about the lack of updates recently. I've been really busy with other things the past couple of weeks.

I just updated the first post of this thread with a link to an updated version of BD-RB. Changes for this version:

Code:
- Corrected an error in which timing adjustments on
  certain files may not have the PTS updated 
  correctly on LPCM streams.
- Added an option to SETUP to keep HD audio streams
  intact (for BD25 encoding only).
- Extended the timeout of the beta.  Since I haven't
  had a lot of spare time lately, I want to make 
  sure the program doesn't timeout for anyone between 
  version releases.  The timeout is NOT meant to limit 
  use but instead to keep me from having to readdress
  the same bugs over-and-over.
- Made several changes to accommodate naming
  convention in newer versions of TSMUXER.
- Updated X264 to version r1130.  Includes several
  speed improvements.
- Fixed an error related to pass reporting on certain
  types of encodes.
- Reduced the default target size for BD-25.  The new
  setting of 24450 was too large for BD-RB (which has
  a limit of 23098).
- Added setting of the CUSTOM_TARGET_SIZE as an option
  in the SETUP dialog.
- Other minor corrections and cosmetic fixes.
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I have to say that the programme has been hugely successful so far but there are two or three reoccuring issues which seem to becoming more and more prominent. I wonder if there are workable solutions of whether jdobbs has an idea of how to address them.

I see them as:

1) Failed to reencode audio, aborted - this is obviously an external issue with the conversion of certain types
2) DoEncoding() - can't copy the original streams to recreate an image
3) Missing audio selection on standalones (seemingly put down to pip)
4) the vc1 m2ts extra files which x264 won't handle - assuming there isn't an easy fix would it be possible to select which streams to re-encode and then recalculate the size (using the min-encode size works but is too broadbrush if the problem extra is the largest one).
Anything can be fixed, none of this is especially difficult. In fact I think BD backups are considerably less complicated than DVDs (albeit slower). But you have to have the time -- and I haven't lately. #4, however, may take some thought. When doing BD-25 I can simply keep the original intact (since these are usually smaller files), but for BD-5/9 it won't work because the bitrate is too high. BTW, the issue is ONLY the mixed progressive/interlaced sources, and they are very rare. Those who are having other issues with VC-1 aren't following the recommendations for using WMV11.
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