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Old 26th September 2008, 15:15   #1481  |  Link
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On another matter, what is the thinking on MKV versus MP4 support? Which should I tackle first?
Definitely MP4

I think there are enough "standards" already. Let's push one to achievecritical mass to one, and let it live long & prosper. I'd rather see DGAVDec become an "industrial-strength" tool than an "enthusiast-tweaking" tool.




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Definitely MP4

I think there are enough "standards" already. Let's push one to achievecritical mass to one, and let it live long & prosper. I'd rather see DGAVDec become an "industrial-strength" tool than an "enthusiast-tweaking" tool.




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I don't think he's planning on exclusive mkv, just which one do we think he should tackle first. I gotta believe that the biggest majority of the userbase right now would rather see mkv. I can't speak for neuron2, but I strongly believe that the majority of his users would rather have mkv first.
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Old 26th September 2008, 17:13   #1483  |  Link
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*votes for MKV*
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Old 26th September 2008, 19:18   #1484  |  Link
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* Licensing activation system added. [Just kidding!]
LOL!! Man, I almost had a heart attack there for a second. It was pretty surprising. Don't get me wrong, I think what you did with DGAVCDecNV was entirely in your right, and I support your decision to do so. But, man, I would have been extremely surprised (and maybe a little angry) if you had done the same thing with DGAVCDec.

Putting that aside, thanks very much for the update!! And I cast my vote for MKV first. It is more versatile than MP4, and more widely used. I use it all of the time, yet I only use MP4 for special situations, mostly having to do with hardware compatibility.

If you are eventually going to add both, that is great! But if it is only one, I vote MKV.

Thanks, Don, for the great work you continue to do for the community!
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On another matter, what is the thinking on MKV versus MP4 support? Which should I tackle first?
It's MP4 for me please....

More so now, given that the muxing of AC3 and EAC3 streams within the MP4 container has been standardised.
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Licensing activation system added. [Just kidding!]
**courtesy chuckle**

I vote for MKV.
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On another matter, what is the thinking on MKV versus MP4 support? Which should I tackle first?
mkv for me too
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Old 27th September 2008, 02:42   #1488  |  Link
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I vote for MP4 or MOV. MKV files are usually stuff I've encoded and don't need to open with DGAVC, so...
Example for mp4 - nicovideo uploads and other such blahblah.

Trailers and even video game trailers come in MOV often, so that would also prove useful.

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Definitely MP4

I think there are enough "standards" already. Let's push one to achievecritical mass to one, and let it live long & prosper. I'd rather see DGAVDec become an "industrial-strength" tool than an "enthusiast-tweaking" tool.
Personally, I think we should support MKV instead of MP4 as it is the purely non-commercial format of the two and aims for more features, all of which are awesome.

Also, one thing that's would be awesome to have for both MP4 and MKV would be being able to tell when a video is VFR and the capability to extract it into MKV timecodes.

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MKV instead of MP4
Neuron2 just wanted to know which container to support first, so chances are good that both will be supported eventually.
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I vote for MP4/MOV because demuxing of MKV files is easier imho. MP4 ist ISO too. MKV can come after that.

As comatose mentioned it, could it be possible if DGAVCIndex recognizes VFR in MKV files?
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As comatose mentioned it, could it be possible if DGAVCIndex recognizes VFR in MKV files?
that makes it seem like MP4 can't do VFR, which it can! so don't be so misleading.
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OK, guys, we can stop the voting now. It looks like a tie, so I'll toss a coin.

The plan is to support both.
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MKV has won all polls I've seen by far, some examples:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=133342

http://www.planetdvb.net/node/378

DivX 7 wil use mkv which is likely to boost mkv's popularity even more.
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A shame there is still almost no progress in PAFF decoding.
Though the improvements of dgavc itself are very nice.



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Well....WHY would I use DivX7?
I got x264!!! Won´t get much better!
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A shame there is still almost no progress in PAFF decoding.
Don't lose hope. Things are happening behind the curtain that could bear fruit.
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Old 28th September 2008, 00:13   #1496  |  Link
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Well....WHY would I use DivX7?
I got x264!!! Won´t get much better!
DivX's main business is in making standalones support their format, and x264 can encode into "DivX7", since DivX7 is just going to be MKV with L4.0 H.264 High Profile video (not sure about audio yet).
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A shame there is still almost no progress in PAFF decoding.
I haven't seen sources (PAFF or other) that libavcodec would fail to decode properly after Michael's fixes in August, and he has been fixing more problems in the last few weeks (see the log). If people here still have samples that the decoder fails on, you might want to report them now, when Michael is still working on these things. Remember to test with the latest FFmpeg/libavcodec SVN, with MPlayer or ffplay, for example. And follow the guidelines on bug reports.
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As I have said several times, there are regressions for random access. Things are apparently OK if you only want to play straight through. I have recently been in touch with Michael about it and sent him a sample. Let's see if something can be done so that the random access needed by DGAVCDec can be made to work correctly with the latest code. If it could work I would have done it long ago, and again, I have tried to work with him in the past about it, without much luck. Now he has written me and I responded with the sample and an explanation. That is where things stand right now. If you'd like to encourage him to help us, I'd be grateful.

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that makes it seem like MP4 can't do VFR, which it can! so don't be so misleading.
This way or another, it doesn't answer my question.
If VFR could be supported, it will be better to be able to activate/deactivate it. Escpecially if mp4 supports VFR too. But honestly I've never seen any VFR.mp4 (but I didn't search for too) and I've no idea, if any SAP supports VFR at all.
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Well....WHY would I use DivX7?
I got x264!!! Won´t get much better!
Dark Shikari said enough, but don't forget, DivX7 will support H.264 Decoding. If I'm not false, an Encoder will come too. It might not be as good as x264, but I'm neutral (with advantages for x264 ).
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Encoder will come too. It might not be as good as x264, but I'm neutral (with advantages for x264 ).
Encoder is already out; its pretty much terrible; quality is comparable to x264 on fast-ish settings without AQ, and speed is worse than x264 by a wide margin. Of course, its just an alpha at this point, so one would expect it to get quite a bit better.
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