D2SRoBa Plugin

[tylo]

Oh, I get it. It doesn't reset besweet when Audio is unchecked. I'll fix that for the RC1.
Here's what the plugin will set in D2S before starting it:
- Encoding mode: OPV for RoBa - Multipass for Credits Tweaking
- Unsets D2S avisynth edit when 'Batch Prepare' is set.
- The time bands and num CDs in the Bitrate Tab.
- BeSweeet exe when Audio is checked. (I will add reset always)

All other changes are on the project only. Except for maybe the 'avisynth edit' I don't see the real need to reset the other settings - it may be more confusing for the user.

/Add: 2.7.0 RC1 uploaded.
http://home.no.net/tylo/

[DDogg]

Thanks for looking in to this! It now resets it perfectly. Nice to see that RC status. I'll try to do a dvd2dvd test today and get you those results. Great job!

[Holomatrix]

Awesome work the pic you have on your website, would that be what you think the default settings should be for new users to start with?

[tylo]

I'll try to do a dvd2dvd test today and get you those results. Great job!

Thanks.

Awesome work the pic you have on your website, would that be what you think the default settings should be for new users to start with?

They are quite good, but I think it's now also safe to tick on the Audio part. That will automatically choose a good balance between the video and audio bitrate - typically 128 kbps for a 1CD encode, and 160/192/224 for a 2CD. You may lower the 'Sample %' to 2.0 or even 1.0 - we don't seem to agree on it. I'll try to set up the best values for new users (and make them default) for the next rc/release.

[r6d2]

CD Size: 803
D2S assumes a CD size of 800 by default. However, CDs are not 800-MB, but 798 instead. Then the BR calculation substracts 5 from the default size, using 795. By using 803 (798+5) you use the actual total capacity of the disk.
There's a risk though: bbMPEG may create 80.10 minute images, which will surely burn OK with overburning.
Num CDs: auto
Trust your guts! Use the force!
Auto Q: 30
A value of 20 will give you about 2 times the optimum quantization possible for a SVCD at Avg=Max. Q=30 will give you about 2.5 times and Q=40 will give you about 3.3 times.
Maximum Q: 40
Useful for reasonable alternatives in "?" mode.
Adjust Q: 1
Good gamble IMHO.
Sizing pass: On, -2%, 0%
for full-CD freaks.
Audio creation: On, 10%, Min br=112
Sample size: 1% (/Add)

[DDogg]

I note you skated right past the sample size (clucking like chicken) 1% is all I use anyway.

[Trahald]

100% sample !!

just kidding

speaking of disk size. *wish list* it would be nice if there were an option to have d2sroba set the disk size to reflect the new size of the disks ie (if you dont have vbr pass on or final encoded size is within the excepted % range) and your 2 disk encode comes out 1610 mb to cut the disks to 805 and 805 instead of 800 , 800 and 10. it would be set to the new size before d2s resumes for pulldown/mux *end wish list*

[DDogg]

I did an auto last night with audio set at 10% as a test. This morning D2V is up with it's exceeded bitrate warning up. So that might be an area you might want to look at.

Yeah, a restart shows the warning with a total bitrate of 2808 and the audio settings in D2S have been changed to 224 instead of the 160 I had set it to.

========================================================
D2SRoBa v2.7.0 RC1 - DVD2SVCD plugin, by tylo
OS Version: WIN_XP
--------------------------------------------------------
- DVD2SVCD Shutdown
- 2003-10-04 08:06:26
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Settings:
-   Encoding mode           : OPV RoBa
-   CD size                 : 800
-   Number of CD's          : auto
-   Auto Q. (worst)         : 32
-   Maximum Q.              : 64
-   Sample percentage       : 1.0
-   Adjust Q.               : 1.0
-   Sample GOPs             : 1
-   Sizing pass             : on=1  (-3.0 .. 1.0)%
-   Audio after video       : on=1  (% of Video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
-   Adjust max video br     : on=1  (total 2756 kbps)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length       : 01:57:23 (168886 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio settings : (160 kbps + 0) kbps
- D2S video estimate : 1685 kbps, 2 CDs
- SelectRangeEvery   : every 1200, select 12 frames
- Num. sample frames : 1692
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: Video BR=787  Audio 1 BR=128  Video SZ=692949627.
- 2 CD: Video BR=1685  Audio 1 BR=160  Video SZ=1483634208.
- 3 CD: Video BR=2552  Audio 1 BR=224  Video SZ=2247023441.
- 4 CD: Video BR=3386  Audio 1 BR=320  Video SZ=2981356336.
--------------------------------------------------------
- Using Max bitrate=2596 for auto samples (adj. for 2 CDs)
- Estimated mpv size : 1612150223. (Q=32, 1830 kbps, 16151476 sample sz)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs      : 3
- Target mpv size    : 2247023441. (2552 / max 2532) kbps
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- Computing oversize num CDs: adj_target_brate = 2532
- Adjusted CD size   : 794 (fillrate = 0.993)
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- Encoding Movie
- 2003-10-04 08:08:32

[DDogg]

Still having problems on my tests for you with d2sroba audio on. The log below is where I did a "?" test encode on the same source with audio on 10%. I choose 2 cds from the results presented. The File size on the second bin was 757,180 kb. The sizing pass did run, so that was a pretty large sizing error.

/Later - I did a 2 disk encode with no d2sroba audio and it was as usual, perfect. I will not post that log unless you ask for it.

D2SRoBa v2.7.0 RC1 - DVD2SVCD plugin, by tylo
OS Version: WIN_XP ("?" with audio 10%)
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- DVD2SVCD Shutdown
- 2003-10-04 08:23:31
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Settings:
- Encoding mode : OPV RoBa
- CD size : 800
- Number of CD's : ?
- Auto Q. (worst) : ---
- Maximum Q. : 64
- Sample percentage : 1.0
- Adjust Q. : 1.0
- Sample GOPs : 1
- Sizing pass : on=1 (-3.0 .. 1.0)%
- Audio after video : on=1 (% of Video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
- Adjust max video br : on=1 (total 2756 kbps)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length : 01:57:23 (168886 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio settings : (160 kbps + 0) kbps
- D2S video estimate : 1621 kbps, 2 CDs
- SelectRangeEvery : every 1200, select 12 frames
- Num. sample frames : 1692
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: Video BR=755 Audio 1 BR=128 Video SZ=664773785.
- 2 CD: Video BR=1621 Audio 1 BR=160 Video SZ=1427282523.
- 3 CD: Video BR=2456 Audio 1 BR=224 Video SZ=2162495913.
- 4 CD: Video BR=3258 Audio 1 BR=320 Video SZ=2868652966.
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- Using Max bitrate=2628 for auto samples (adj. for 1 CDs)
- Estimated mpv size : 1055705588. (Q=64, 1198 kbps, 10576684 sample sz)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs : 2
- Target mpv size : 1427282523. (1621 / max 2596) kbps
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- Binary search for Q:
- Estimated mpv size : 1612150223. (Q=32, 1830 kbps, 16151476 sample sz)
- Estimated mpv size : 1275188716. (Q=48, 1448 kbps, 12775596 sample sz)
- Estimated mpv size : 1427744677. (Q=40, 1621 kbps, 14303992 sample sz)
- Computed mpv size : 1351466696. (Q=44, 1534 kbps, 13539794.=(Q48+Q40)/2)
- Computed mpv size : 1389605687. (Q=42, 1578 kbps, 13921893.=(Q44+Q40)/2)
- Computed mpv size : 1408675232. (Q=41, 1599 kbps, 14112943.=(Q42+Q40)/2)
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- Q Weight : 1.0 - (1427282523. / 99.8144208037825 - 14112943.) / (14303992 - 14112943.)
- Adjust Q : (41 + (2.42352965777999e-002) - (1.0)) = 40.0242352965778
- Determined Q. : 40
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs : 3
- Target mpv size : 2162495913. (2456 / max 2532) kbps
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- Computing oversize num CDs: adj_target_brate = 2456
========================================================
- Selected num CDs : 2 (Q=40)
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- Encoding Movie
- 2003-10-04 08:33:38
- Actual mpv file size:
10/04/2003 10:14 AM 1328615384 Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv
- OPV pass result: 93.1% on target ( 1328615384 / 1427282523.)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Executing VBR Sizing Pass - 1621 kbps.
- Actual mpv file size:
10/04/2003 12:01 PM 1426074184 Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv
- Sizing pass result: 99.9% on target ( 1426074184 / 1427282523.)
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- Executing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input "C:\holes\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "C:\holes\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\holes\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -C 0db -S /
0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 160 -m s )
--------------------------------------------------------
- Recover
- 2003-10-04 12:11:53

[homerjay]

just to report in with RC1 2 avi conversions have failed at bbmpeg stage as no .mp2 file was created

[r6d2]

I did an encode with two audio tracks (with Audio later in D2Sroba) and got a strange "List out of bounds" error in D2S

I redid it without letting D2Sroba do the audio and it worked fine.

[tylo]

Thanks for all the logs and test results!
Surely, the "audio creation after video" is not perfect, and the conclusion from your results is that with the audio ticked on, the current RC1 is limited to one audio, and DVD2SVCD only (not AVI2SVCD).

DDogg's report also shows that the untested "CD size" reduction may not work - which is more serious. For now, increase 'Auto Q' (e.g 40) to reduce risc to for that situation. Recommended also 'Adjust Q'=1.3

I'm not sure how much I will look into the audio things for the moment - you can always tick it off for those cases that causes problems.

But, please continue reporting anomalities/bugs that you may find.

Ps: I've converted about 2/3rd of the code to AutoIt3, so I may spend some time on that.

Cheers

[DDogg]

I think people should just uncheck, "Audio creation after Video" in the plugin for now. With it off everything seems to work pretty well.

[Siku]

I'm having some CCE termination problems with v2.7.0 RC1 using AVI2SVCD. This time I used 'auto' mode for 'Number of CD's' prediction. Again, D2SRoBa won't shut down the CCE properly: the GUI disappears but the CCE keeps running at the backgroud.

Here's the log file:

========================================================
D2SRoBa v2.7.0 RC1 - DVD2SVCD plugin, by tylo
OS Version: WIN_XP
--------------------------------------------------------
- DVD2SVCD Shutdown
- 2003-10-05 23:27:16
--------------------------------------------------------
Settings:
-   Encoding mode           : OPV RoBa
-   CD size                 : 803
-   Number of CD's          : auto
-   Auto Q. (worst)         : 30
-   Maximum Q.              : 40
-   Sample percentage       : 1.0
-   Adjust Q.               : 1.0
-   Sample GOPs             : 1
-   Sizing pass             : on=1  (-2.0 .. 0.0)%
-   Audio after video       : on=0  (% of Video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
-   Adjust max video br     : on=1  (total 2756 kbps)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length       : 01:48:45 (163144 frames, 25 fps)
- D2S audio settings : (192 kbps + 0) kbps
- D2S video estimate : 1812 kbps, 2 CDs
- SelectRangeEvery   : every 1500, select 15 frames
- Num. sample frames : 1635
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: Video BR=802  Audio 1 BR=192  Video SZ=654207440.
- 2 CD: Video BR=1812  Audio 1 BR=192  Video SZ=1478084640.
- 3 CD: Video BR=2822  Audio 1 BR=192  Video SZ=2301961840.
- 4 CD: Video BR=3832  Audio 1 BR=192  Video SZ=3125839040.
--------------------------------------------------------
- Using Max bitrate=2564 for auto samples (adj. for 2 CDs)
- Estimated mpv size : 813572287. (Q=30, 997 kbps, 8153476 sample sz)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs      : 2
- Target mpv size    : 1478084640. (1812 / max 2564) kbps
--------------------------------------------------------
- Binary search for Q:

Regards,
Siku

[Trahald]

i did a disk=1 with audio on with rc1 last night. cce didnt terminate( the 2 instance of cce thing).. i need to hang around long enough before i goto bed for that part so i can crash recover if that happens since now i dont have to wait for audio to encode. anyways.. when i got up this morning i crash recovered from video encode and all went well. the mpv was at 96% and i didnt have vbr pass on (im not too anal about that) the final file was about 790mb.. worked perfectly. autoit seems to be leaving the WinWaitClose loop too soon, prolly cause its just checking if the wrapper (eclcce) is closed.. not cce. maybe a separate killbyname for cce.exe might help *shrug*.

i like the new version of autoit. ProcessClose() was sorely needed

[DDogg]

I give up in confusion Now it is trying to use CBR at 500 kbps for a 3 cd encode.

D2SRoBa v2.7.0 RC1 - DVD2SVCD plugin, by tylo
OS Version: WIN_XP
--------------------------------------------------------
- DVD2SVCD Shutdown
- 2003-10-06 00:35:37
--------------------------------------------------------
Settings:
-   Encoding mode           : OPV RoBa
-   CD size                 : 800
-   Number of CD's          : 3
-   Auto Q. (worst)         : ---
-   Maximum Q.              : 64
-   Sample percentage       : 1.0
-   Adjust Q.               : 1.6
-   Sample GOPs             : 1
-   Sizing pass             : on=1  (-2.0 .. 1.0)%
-   Audio after video       : on=1  (Fixed bitrate, 10%, min 160 kbps)
-   Adjust max video br     : on=0  (total 2756 kbps)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length       : 01:52:54 (162421 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio settings : (160 kbps + 0) kbps
- D2S video estimate : 2230 kbps, 3 CDs
- SelectRangeEvery   : every 1200, select 12 frames
- Num. sample frames : 1632
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: Video BR=626  Audio 1 BR=160  Video SZ=530090226.
- 2 CD: Video BR=1428  Audio 1 BR=160  Video SZ=1209215403.
- 3 CD: Video BR=2230  Audio 1 BR=160  Video SZ=1888340581.
- 4 CD: Video BR=3032  Audio 1 BR=160  Video SZ=2567465758.
--------------------------------------------------------
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs      : 3
- Target mpv size    : 1888340581. (2230 / max 2584) kbps
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- Binary search for Q:
- Estimated mpv size : 1727393912. (Q=32, 2039 kbps, 17356788 sample sz)
- Estimated mpv size : 2040762540. (Q=16, 2409 kbps, 20505504 sample sz)
- Estimated mpv size : 1896215016. (Q=24, 2239 kbps, 19053096 sample sz)
- Computed  mpv size : 1811804464. (Q=28, 2139 kbps, 18204942.=(Q32+Q24)/2)
- Computed  mpv size : 1854009740. (Q=26, 2189 kbps, 18629019.=(Q28+Q24)/2)
- Computed  mpv size : 1875112428. (Q=25, 2214 kbps, 18841058.=(Q26+Q24)/2)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Q Weight : 1.0 - (1888340581. / 99.5226715686274 - 18841058.) / (19053096 - 18841058.)
- Adjust Q : (25 + (0.37315017883995) - (1.6)) = 23.7731501788399
- Determined Q.      : 23
- Adjusted CD size   : 1 (fillrate = )
--------------------------------------------------------
- Encoding Movie
- 2003-10-06 00:38:04

[Trahald]

did my first disk=auto with audio=1 last night got 2 cds
of perfect size (800mb). came out great.

heres the log to look at...


========================================================
D2SRoBa v2.7.0 RC1 - DVD2SVCD plugin, by tylo
OS Version: WIN_XP
--------------------------------------------------------
- DVD2SVCD Shutdown
- 2003-10-06 00:13:24
--------------------------------------------------------
Settings:
- Encoding mode : OPV RoBa
- CD size : 800
- Number of CD's : auto
- Auto Q. (worst) : 60
- Maximum Q. : 128
- Sample percentage : 2.0
- Adjust Q. : 0.8
- Sample GOPs : 1
- Sizing pass : on=1 (-3.0 .. 1.0)%
- Audio after video : on=1 (% of Video, 10%, min 96 kbps)
- Adjust max video br : on=1 (total 2756 kbps)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length : 02:23:17 (206141 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio settings : (192 kbps + 0) kbps
- D2S video estimate : 2084 kbps, 3 CDs
- SelectRangeEvery : every 750, select 15 frames
- Num. sample frames : 4125
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: Video BR=652 Audio 1 BR=96 Video SZ=700721201.
- 2 CD: Video BR=1384 Audio 1 BR=128 Video SZ=1487420463.
- 3 CD: Video BR=2084 Audio 1 BR=192 Video SZ=2239728500.
- 4 CD: Video BR=2784 Audio 1 BR=256 Video SZ=2992036537.
--------------------------------------------------------
- Using Max bitrate=2564 for auto samples (adj. for 3 CDs)
- Estimated mpv size : 1370844347. (Q=60, 1275 kbps, 27431384 sample sz)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs : 2
- Target mpv size : 1487420463. (1384 / max 2628) kbps
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- Binary search for Q:
- Estimated mpv size : 2195888093. (Q=30, 2043 kbps, 43940984 sample sz)
- Computed mpv size : 1783366220. (Q=45, 1659 kbps, 35686184.=(Q60+Q30)/2)
- Computed mpv size : 1577105284. (Q=52, 1467 kbps, 31558784.=(Q60+Q45)/2)
- Estimated mpv size : 1445200230. (Q=56, 1344 kbps, 28919288 sample sz)
- Computed mpv size : 1511152757. (Q=54, 1406 kbps, 30239036.=(Q56+Q52)/2)
- Estimated mpv size : 1464984569. (Q=55, 1363 kbps, 29315184 sample sz)
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- Q Weight : 1.0 - (1487420463. / 49.9735757575758 - 29315184) / (30239036. - 29315184)
- Adjust Q : (55 + (0.514039958161679) - (0.8)) = 54.7140399581617
- Determined Q. : 54
--------------------------------------------------------
- Encoding Movie
- 2003-10-06 00:28:14
- Actual mpv file size:
10/06/2003 02:06 AM 1430636184 Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv
- OPV pass result: 96.2% on target ( 1430636184 / 1487420463.)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Executing VBR Sizing Pass - 1384 kbps.
- Actual mpv file size:
10/06/2003 03:47 AM 1486044792 Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv
- Sizing pass result: 99.9% on target ( 1486044792 / 1487420463.)
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- Executing: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\s1d3e3\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\s1d3e3\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\s1d3e3\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -l 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -ota( -d -111 ) -2lame( -e -b 128 -m s )
--------------------------------------------------------
- Recover
- 2003-10-06 03:58:29

[tylo]

@DDogg: I'll try to upload RC2, which just removes the broken 'CD size reduction' for the cases when it cannot fill the last CD, due to the max SVCD bitrate constraint. As I said the 'audio creation after video' works for me when DVD -> SVCD and one audio, but otherwise untick it.

@w00kie: I've tried several things to make sure CCE & EclCCE exits, but none seems to work well on your system. Maybe the new AutoIt3 process functions will help us. The code is just so much more readable and easy maintainable with AutoIt3 + it has a lot of new features compared to AutoIt2, so its really no way back.

[Trahald]

@tylo: yeah.. for now i made a tiny autoit3 script that tracks the progress and after d2sroba closes the "%, saving" cce dialogue, i have it do a processclose("cce.exe") processclosewait("cce.exe") then it exits. worked last night (although i waited to make sure) so im ok for now

[r6d2]

@Tylo,

It's working like a charm to me with 1 audio track, which is the usual case I do.

I noticed that when OPV succeedes, the SVCDinfo file still has the encoding parameters first set in D2S. Would you please update the Q factor in the INI/D2S file in order to have it documented properly on the SVCD?

Thanks a lot.