Using Avisynth to help compressing files

[boombastic]

i get this error using spresso:

TemporalSoften::YUV2 source must be multiple of 4

the script is:

SetMtMode(2)
mpeg2source("F:\1x02\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.d2v")
import("d:\Programmi\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\SeeSaw.avs")
import("d:\Programmi\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\mvbob.avs")
import("d:\Programmi\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\spresso.avs")
ColorMatrix(d2v="F:\1x02\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.d2v")
Crop(8,80,-32,-80)
SeparateFields()
a=SelectEven().SPresso(limit=8, limitC=8, bias=100, biasC=100, RGmode=1, RGmodeC=17).SeeSaw(NRlimit=2, NRlimit2=2, Sstr=1.0, Slimit=7, Spower=2, Sdamplo=8, Szp=10, bias=1)
b=SelectOdd().SPresso(limit=8, limitC=8, bias=100, biasC=100, RGmode=1, RGmodeC=17).SeeSaw(NRlimit=2, NRlimit2=2, Sstr=1.0, Slimit=7, Spower=2, Sdamplo=8, Szp=10, bias=1)
weave()
#TomsMoComp(1,3,1)
mvbob()
LumaYV12(0,0.9)

[kiwisrgreen]

I'm doing the 2-pass encode thing (anime) and the first pass was 307MB (without audio)
70% of that is 214.9MB
audio is 29.1 MBMB
so second pass should 244mb or so...
so I did that but it looked like it needs to be a little bigger like the original size?

filters used were:
ConvertToYV12()
ColorYUV(gain_u=9)
Tweak(cont=.98,bright=3)
Undot()
hqdn3d()
removegrain()
warpsharp(depth=30,blur=3,bump=65)

original anime raw (encoded by xvid already) is 250MB, fairly clean there is some noticeable noise during certain scenes, and sometimes it looks like compression noise.

the encoded video looks better than original but size is pretty much the same.

[Jeremy Duncan]

Here's a Spresso code you can try.

SPresso(limit=2, limitC=13, bias=100, biasC=100, RGmode=17, RGmodeC=17)

You need the masktools.dll from this link.
masktools_alpha (2.0a30).

And removegrain.dll from this link.
RemoveGrain 1.0 Prerelease

[Jeremy Duncan]

Didée,

The Chroma setting doesn't work.
The Luma setting works fine.

Setting the Luma Limit to 100 effectively blurs the picture, but setting the Chroma Limit to 100 does nothing.
I've run other tests that showed the Spresso is entirely dependant on the Luma Limit, Bias, and RGmode.

Here's the setting I made.

SPresso(limit=2, limitC=13, bias=100, biasC=100, RGmode=17, RGmodeC=17)

Also setting the Luma RGmode to 1 disables it, leaving a non-functional Spresso.

[Didée]

All of that is plain wrong.

Dunno what you did - perhaps you imported the old version instead of the new one ... ?

Loading some random content, and applying

Spresso(RGmode=1,RGmodeC=17,bias=100,biasC=100,limit=16,limitC=16)

the achieved effect was




In respect to "RGmode=1 does nothing" and "Chroma Modes do nothing", I'm seeing pretty much differences there .... so: everything works exactly as it should.

Fact is, that spatial denoising often isn't all that awfully effective for chroma noise. That's what I told you formerly, and that's why the initial SPresso script worked only on luma plane. But you cried for a chroma mode, and so you got it.

[Jeremy Duncan]

Originally Posted by Didée

everything works exactly as it should.

Fact is, that spatial denoising often isn't all that awfully effective for chroma noise. That's what I told you formerly, and that's why the initial SPresso script worked only on luma plane. But you cried for a chroma mode, and so you got it.

Interesting.

Thanks for clearing that up Didée.

[koolcracker]

Do you actually have a TPresso? because that would be very helpful. Well, assuming that T stood for Temporal.

[Didée]

*Issue solved, post deleted*

[Jeremy Duncan]

Here's the Spresso setting I made.

SPresso(limit=2, limitC=2, bias=76, biasC=76, RGmode=4, RGmodeC=4)

I'm sorry for the mistake Didée.
Thank you for your time and patience, I appreciate all you've done.

[koolcracker]

So is that a no for a Temporal Pressdown?

[Didée]

Doing a temporal counterpart is very easy. Basically, just that "RemoveGrain(..)" has to be replaced with a temporal filter. That's all.

And that's where the questioning begins: what temporal filter to use? Clense? FluxSmoothT? TemporalSoften? TTempSmooth? MedianBlurT? There are so many ...
Also, the weighting/limiting could be extended, like always using a lower minimum plus some weighting on top of that ...

Many ways to blow up the function to fill three or four pages ...
... for something where the actual filtering is just one single line.

[foxyshadis]

My first thought was
Soothe(last,TemporalSoften(...),40)
or perhaps vice versa... but who knows, that might not work at all. ;p

[Didée]

Well, you can do that ... like you can put mustard onto a cream cake.

Soothe reverts the work of [filter] in those places where the difference achieved by [filter] is temporally unstable.
Now, the difference achieved by a temporal filter is supposed to be temporally unstable, so ...

Soothe's corresponding counterpart for temporal filters would be done through spatial processing. (Like demonstrated e.g. in SafeTemporalSoften)

[Jeremy Duncan]

Didée,

If you make a Tpresso, please include Chroma denoising, and since it would be used in realtime it would be nice if it was fast.

Thanks for your time in reading and considering this.

[J-Wo]

Didee, just discovered this function after your mentioned of it to me in another thread. Great work! I tried it out at the default settings (limit=2, bias=25, rgmode=4) and the results were very promising. I did an OPV encode with 3 different bias settings and compared their compressibility to one without spresso. I also threw into the mix one that used removegrain(mode=5) instead of spresso. Here's what I found:

removegrain 5 --> 5.35% compression
bias 25 --> 4.82%
bias 26 --> 7.42%
bias 33 --> 8.12%

I then did a 2 pass encode with these same filters to see how much detail was preserved by the various filters. On my 42" LCD rear projection HDTV they all looked great! But to my surprise, I think the higher bias looked the best. I think that was because the higher compression allowed the encoder to do it's... you know, encoding magic better. The result wasn't too soft at all (your original post led me to believe that a bias=33 was a very strong setting).

P.S. I believe someone mentioned it before, but the best way to use this function is to save it in your Avisynth plugin file as SPresso.avsi. This way you never have to load the function with the Import() line in your scripts.

P.P.S. You should rename this thread to put Spresso in the title! It'll make searching for help easier

[foxyshadis]

But if he did that, people might actually find and start using his filters, and ask for help. So he just sneaks them into someone else's threads.

This is one of the few I can't seem to get much of a handle on, probably because it's hard to see the subtle differences that make a big difference to the encoder.

[J-Wo]

Well for me I do a lot of DVD9->DVD5 compression using DVD-RB. And while most of my sources are clean film material, a little grain removal (that is barely detectable to the naked eye) will help with compression. So far I think this filter is great!

[AGKnotUser]

Originally Posted by J-Wo

Well for me I do a lot of DVD9->DVD5 compression using DVD-RB. And while most of my sources are clean film material, a little grain removal (that is barely detectable to the naked eye) will help with compression. So far I think this filter is great!

Could you post your settings? I'm also using DVD-RB and want to use this filter for the same purpose.

[Jeremy Duncan]

Here's what I use;

Spresso(limit=8, limitC=4, bias=59, biasc=100, rgmode=17, rgmodec=17)

[AGKnotUser]

Thank you for your suggestion.