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View Poll Results: WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY FOR MUSIC ONLINE?(4 HQ bitrate music that is) | |||
I dont pay and never will, for any music I dl! | 15 | 24.59% | |
99 cents.. I already do this. | 5 | 8.20% | |
50 cents... is a decent rate w/ a price reduction for full album purchases. | 13 | 21.31% | |
20 cents... this is really what the music is worth at that quality level. | 17 | 27.87% | |
Depends on the music, some is worth more, some less. | 12 | 19.67% | |
I only buy cds, mp3's suck.. id like to see AC3 sound instead. | 10 | 16.39% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll |
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11th September 2003, 17:45 | #1 | Link |
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RIAA.... let's settle it since we ARE the customers
and "the CUSTOMER is ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!"
Since the RIAA is now dictating terms to all the internet community it way past time to make a shout back. In old times when the king of a country had a court minstral I don't really think that the minstral had the king put people to death for singing his songs. Nor was there fights over the "RIGHT" to be able to sing another traveling minstrals songs(forgive any spelling). Now we come to an age in History that everything is for sale. And even the VERY THINGS we have in our OWN HOMES purchased with our OWN HARD EARNED MONEY is subject to rules pertaining to the fact that you cannot duplicate, nor modify any of the content. IE> music cds, dvd's, videogame councils.. etc. Or if you do you cant give the information nor the copies to anyone else for them to use for a limited time.. etc...etc... so even though you buy a product the company still has rights to dictate to you(by the way since when could a corporation or company or group act like a governing body..???) what ,where , and when you can use their product...etc. SO, all that being said.. I myself would be willing to PAY for the right to dl mp3's for my own use. However, all the files available leagally are either not great quality/price. I mean 99 cents for a single mp3.. what if an album(cd) had 15 tracks on it.. it would cost you the price of cd to buy every track.. if you were so inclined. AND cd's that are continuous mixes... (techno etc) dont work as single tracks, they need to be in one mp3 format, and a cue file... WHAT R U WILLING TO PAY>>>>>for lets say mp3 at 190kbps.. or even (let us dream AC3 dolby digital 5.1 content music @ 448 or lower bitrates) |
11th September 2003, 20:02 | #3 | Link |
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I'm going to PAY a company, give them my hard earned cash, with nothing to show? If I'm gonna fork out the money for an album, I want the case, booklet, and cd sitting in front of me. Granted I rip all my cds (my pc speakers are awesome) and only pull em out in the car, I still refuse to pay money for something I could just download/rip anyways.
edit >> Oh yeah, if they ever do host sites where you can buy music, they better be in a lossless codec. edit edit >> I selected 2 answers: I dont pay and never will, for any music I dl! I only buy cds, mp3's suck.. id like to see AC3 sound instead. Conflicting, yes. I download any and everything. To be honest a lot of it I don't even get a chance to listen to (sure not gonna pay for those). However, if I listen to something often and really like it, I'll buy it (actually, today I bought the all american rejects cd).
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11th September 2003, 20:52 | #4 | Link | |
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11th September 2003, 21:53 | #5 | Link |
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I think 20 cents a song would be nice...
.20x15=3 bucks for an album...minus the cover and shit, plus you buy your own CDR That's what I think...I don't want to violate rule #6, or go to jail, that's why I pay for shit now :-/ The RIAA is getting a little "metallica" but I deal with it |
11th September 2003, 22:46 | #6 | Link |
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Considering that with downloadable music you don't get the physical goods and have to pay yourself for delivery, I think 50 cents would be a reasonable amount. $0.99 per song is a bit much, that comes to the same amount as a regular CD and online distribution must be significantly cheaper. There's no CD pressing plant, no distribution, no middle man, no booklet designer, etc and the price would have to reflect that. Also, the music should be without DRM crap. If I buy a CD (that's what I'm doing so far... I have to find a legal service offering 192kbit/s MP3s without DRM befure I'll consider online music), I can play it on my stereo, burn it onto my own compilation CD, put it on MiniDisc or play it on my portable MP3 player. Obviously, if I bought a song electronically I'd be expecting the same possibilities. I have already been burned by online purchases once so I have ample reason to distrust anything that is bound to a certain machine. I even had a $50 software DVD player license get lost by a reinstall and of course the company I bought it from didn't remember my purchase. That was the last time I gave that company my money and the last time I'll trust any non transferable license.
Oh, and if you're not getting your music in legit ways, please feel free not to share it because we don't want to attract any unwanted attention. The RIAA, MPAA and BSA would weep looking at my collection of CDs, DVDs and fully legit software and I'd like to think that most people here do respect other people's creations and just want to excercise their rights as paying customers.
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I however also agree with you Doom9, it would be nice if people actually respected one another and didn't steal. But lets face it, the Music Industry did this to itself by letting this situation get out of control and not acting sooner. They stubornely hoped to produce more CD's and expected people to buy them. 18$ for a CD is too much, I'll take the free radio. |
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12th September 2003, 00:37 | #9 | Link |
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I think the RIAA is way out of line.
It would take a lot more effort by the Music/Video Industry to gain my trust. I for one come from that industry and know first hand their attitude. dwf
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Oop, sorry mods. The specifically mentioned #6 said no links of any sort, I didn't realize talking about it at all was implied; my bad.
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12th September 2003, 01:52 | #11 | Link |
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Personally I think the RIAA have been money grabbing for far too long.
It's their own stupid fault that they are now losing out because they were too stubborn and too "fixed" into their monopoly that they couldn't foresee what technology was about to do to them. They have to face the fact now that "irrespective of the law", music is a freely available commodity. They could have controlled distibution... but they didn't, and it's too late now. If they now want to get into the game then they have to turn the technology around to their benefit. By that I mean that if they put in the effort and produce something that is not currently available at a quality level that is not currently available then yes, they can sell it and yes, I will buy it, because they will be offering me something that I cannot get anywhere else. i.e. A product that I want. What they currently have is a product that anyone can get, anywhere, anytime... For free. Anyone with an ounce of Sales and Marketing understanding recognises that it's all about supply and demand and at present the demand is being met without them. It's time they supplied something new. If it costs them 5 years of their profits to produce then so be it. It's only fair that they should have to spend some of the fat they've been skimming for so long. You can't afford to stand still in the media industry with technology moving at the pace it does. A business that fails to keep up is a business that fails. Sitting back and bleeting about it is all fine, but will get them no-where. They have to re-invent themselves and they have no idea how. For me. If they can take my listening pleasure to new heights, then they'll have my interest, but listening to them carry on about copyright breach, righful ownership and a general "but it's not fair" attitude, is in my opinion, counter productive and plain stupid. The reality is that if the RIAA disappeared tomorrow people would still create music and people would still listen to music (whether purchased legally or not)... They are really an un-necessary middle man. What they are upset about is the fact that the world has finally realised. Cheers, Arkay. |
12th September 2003, 03:48 | #13 | Link |
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The only reason i would d/l a song would be because i can't be bothered to rip it off my CD's, i own allot of Cd's and they are all original , Internet radio's and p2p have helped me broaden my view and made me buy more original Cd's, to pay for a mp3 is just stupid , it would be like buying a poor quality ½ CD divx encode, transfered to VHS . I use mp3/ogg/aac etc to archive my collection for easy listening and for backup purposes. But i will never pay for a mp3 when for a little more i can buy the CD and make my own mp3(for back up).
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12th September 2003, 13:14 | #15 | Link |
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Downloading music from the web has much to do with how our social lives have changed. Everything is far more disposable now!
Eeee, when I were a lad, we did'nt have all these computerized toys. Music came in the form of a 12" vinyl LP 0r 7" single (and later compact cassette) and if we did'nt take care of them they would very quickly sound like crap! I've still got just about all of my vinyl records, including a rather massive collection of 'picture discs'. Remember these anyone?And even though most have been replaced by CD I just can't seem to part with the vinyl. This makes me wonder how attached todays consumers are with regard to their music collections! Do todays consumers take time out to really sit down and listen to their music 'however they aquired it'? I don't know. We have hardware manufacturers in one corner. Making hugely expensive DVD & Super Audio CD players together with amps and speakers etc. Not to mention the discs themselves! And in the other corner we have software manufactureres compressing the hell out of the same music so we are able to listen to it at any time of day and on any suitable device! At the end of the day I prefer good quality sounding audio and I don't mind paying to listen to it. But I do mind paying too much for it! Cheers PS. The sound quality of DAB radio in the UK has gone right down the pan recently. Anybody know why?
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12th September 2003, 14:32 | #16 | Link | |
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Now, if you download a certain song first, then decide you like the music and buy the entire album, I don't think the RIAA should sue you for $150'000 (that's the max they charge per song). In the end, they got more than if you hadn't downloaded the song. However, if you keep the song without payment then the situation is different. The problem with music is that there is no alternative product. You cannot decide to get your music from a non RIAA sanctioned source so you are bound by their prices, and being the only source, they have in fact a monopoly and can fix prices (and they've been found guilty of doing just that). Perhaps, if the US government investigated the RIAA a bit more they'd find that this organisation is harmful to the industry and would abolish it. I have no idea what effects this would have, but perhaps it would open ways to more consumer friendly prices, and prices that are determined by the market, not some all powerful monopoly organization. In basic economics you learn that monopolies are bad (with a few exceptions... certain government monopolies actually ensure more fairness for the population), so I think it's legit to ask how things would work if that monopoly were abolished.
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There's no doubt that somethings going to have to change. Suing end users is not a very good answer. Too much of a knee jerk reaction in my opinion. We all like our audio entertainment. And I think it's fair to say that what's happening now with the RIAA is being looked at very closely by the movie distribution companies around the world. It's a shame that everthing should come down to, how much money is being lost. As they should never been allowed to amass the fortunes they've made (and in some cases lost) in the first place! So if the movie companies don't want to quickly follow suit they better get the actors to agree to more realistic fees. Maybe the big stars should settle for their expenses, a shiney trailer and a percentage of the movies profits! Why the hell should a star get paid tens of millions to be in a movie. Were we, the customers ever asked if this was a good idea? Cheers
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Honestly I had a point and didn't post to reiterate, but I completely forgot what it was. heh need sleep, eyes are glazed over and body is weak... must stay awake... there are forums to whore edit >> typo
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I have to say that I make my own mix's and basicly the RIAA is telling people who download MY songs that it is wrong without my concent?
What a bunch of BS. I think they need to pull their head out of their A$$. *Just my two cents* -+>Aaron |
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