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Old 21st August 2019, 09:52   #6541  |  Link
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Any plans to have MPC-VR eventually replace Haali and Sync? Time for them to go?
I don't think so, until they work as they are.
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there is no point in removing support for working renderer.

mpc VR dx9 looks like an EVR alternative already.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 00:31   #6543  |  Link
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Is it possible to not have the display of the seekbar and controls make madVR's present queue reach 0 and cause video stutter? madVR issue or can it be improved in the player?
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Old 22nd August 2019, 02:14   #6544  |  Link
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Is it possible to not have the display of the seekbar and controls make madVR's present queue reach 0 and cause video stutter? madVR issue or can it be improved in the player?
Ask madVR's author.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 17:38   #6545  |  Link
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Preview support is implemented by the second simplified DirectShow graph.
Why YouTube player can offer preview on top of a playing video without setting any limitations, or expressing concerns about user network saturation?

Why not show preview only when movie playback is stopped? This way preview won't saturate the network, while providing the same benefits in finding the right seek bar points.

It feels the actual reason to block movie stream preview in MPC-BE is not technical.

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Is it possible to not have the display of the seekbar and controls make madVR's present queue reach 0 and cause video stutter? madVR issue or can it be improved in the player?
This is intentional isn't it? If using the seek bar didn't empty the present queue it would feel very sluggish, with a lot of lag in any interactions with it. 8 frames is a long time to wait for a click to register.
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Update for translation of Chinese traditional and Dutch

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Old 22nd August 2019, 19:29   #6548  |  Link
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Thank. I updated in r4682, but have not yet adjusted the size of the controls.
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Old 22nd August 2019, 22:59   #6549  |  Link
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This is intentional isn't it? If using the seek bar didn't empty the present queue it would feel very sluggish, with a lot of lag in any interactions with it. 8 frames is a long time to wait for a click to register.
Yeah, though this does cause visual presentation issues at times, something for madshi to improve perhaps before 1.0 I guess.
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Why YouTube player can offer preview on top of a playing video without setting any limitations, or expressing concerns about user network saturation?
Because it is Google.
I did not check. But I think that preview frames are ordinary pictures that the browser receives from the server.

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Because we did differently.
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Old 23rd August 2019, 06:22   #6551  |  Link
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Because we did differently.
Is it possible for you guys to look again at the preview implementation, and try adapting it to streams? May be making a bit more intelligent to calm down extra traffic?

I ask, because video streams share is very high now. MPC-BE can directly stream YouTube videos, but it lacks YouTube player previews. Generally, streams playback is very smooth in MPC-BE compare to other players, yet preview is unfairly missing.

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We will think about it in the uncertain future.

You can also read the terms of use for YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/t/terms

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We will think about it in the uncertain future.
This sounds like "never". Meanwhile, can you simply enable already existing Preview feature for video streams, and allow users to decide, whether it causes any issues for them and should be disabled in player Settings or not? If you wish, add a warning to disable it on slow networks.

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You can also read the terms of use for YouTube.
If you refer to par. 4.C , the player accesses YouTube videos through original video playback page URLs, so for a user its similar to accessing them via a web browser. The Terms don't restrict means of accessing YouTube video playback pages.

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If you refer to par. 4.C , the player accesses YouTube videos through original video playback page URLs, so for a user its similar to accessing them via a web browser. The Terms don't restrict means of accessing YouTube video playback pages.
I do not know what is written in the English version. But the Russian version (5.1.С) clearly says how you can watch the video. This is a web page player, YouTube application, or other similar means that YouTube provides. There are other points that we may violate.
Therefore, I do not advise abuse of trust even more.
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I do not advise abuse of trust even more.
There is no abuse of trust in exploring unknown. YouTube is merely an example of learning opportunity. In this thread we discuss technical aspects of MPC-BE. The laws in various countries around the world are so different, it doesn't make sense to even mention them in this thread. Let player users to deal themselves with their legal rights and obligations.

There are plenty of legitimate free movie and TV channel streams. Simply enable existing Preview feature for these sources, may be with a warning "Don't use on slow network". If a user like me experiences problem, he would simply disable Preview in Settings, or won't use it.

My point is, your entire development work is centered around better user experience. The USER is the VIP person, we all want him/her to enjoy the show. So why do you have so little trust in the USER, instead building WALLS he can't jump over? Pls give the user some freedom of choice!

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The USER is the VIP person, we all want him/her to enjoy the show.
"Anything for your money"
For a free product, this does not work. I heard about projects that really wanted to please users, eventually burned out and closed. We listen to users, but we will decide what to do. We do not chase ratings.
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You're probably right, more experience anyway. But I heard PotPlayer got popular namely due to catching user wishes. Well, chasing ratings may bring donations and sponsors. If you listen to users, why not offer feature popularity study to get stats and know were the trends are? It just sounds more professional.

I mean yah, there are boutique products. But "free boutiques" - sounds a bit unusual.
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PotPlayer
Is it open-source?
Just a suggestion: don't push devs too much, you can easily achieve exactly the opposite you want
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PotPlayer free for user - but dev gets money for him, Pot owned by corporation
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PotPlayer is adware IIRC, so it's not 100% free.

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we all want him/her to enjoy the show.
"We" ? So do you develop free software yourself?
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