QT alt and CoreAVC installed at the same time?

[Tordenflesk]

Is it possible to have both QT alt. and CoreAVC installed at the same time without causing trouble?
It seems i have there 2 choices:
1. both installed: Rubbish playback(dropping frames like a mad scientist) of local files, but i can watch embeddded files without a problem, or...
2. I Get rid of QT ALT, and have only CoreAVC installed. That way i can enjoy 1080P Without dropping frames, but no embedded videos work. Is there a way for me to use CoreAVC instead of QT for local files?

[mgh]

AFAIK, during qt alternative install, you get option to leave the h264 and aac decoders untouched.

[foxyshadis]

You could also consider dropping quicktime alltogether and going with VLC's embedded player instead. It isn't any less stable than quicktime - not saying much, I know - but at least it's a lot faster.

[Tordenflesk]

mgh: I tried that but it still "took over" the job of decoding h264.
foxyshadis: Stupid me, i knew that. Any idea if it'll play the trailers on apple.com? and is it possible to save the file, just like with QT?
EDIT: No, it won't

[foxyshadis]

Originally Posted by Tordenflesk

mgh: I tried that but it still "took over" the job of decoding h264.
foxyshadis: Stupid me, i knew that. Any idea if it'll play the trailers on apple.com? and is it possible to save the file, just like with QT?
EDIT: No, it won't

Drat! It must have something to do with the way the trailers are sent, since if loaded locally or remotely outside the browser (the 1k link file), it'll play the full file just fine. Well, with lousy buffering. I'll look and see if it can be forced with a mime type or something.

[Avish]

Originally Posted by foxyshadis

Drat! It must have something to do with the way the trailers are sent, since if loaded locally or remotely outside the browser (the 1k link file), it'll play the full file just fine. Well, with lousy buffering. I'll look and see if it can be forced with a mime type or something.

Hi Foxyshadis, If u use Firefox, then there is add-on called Cache Viewer, with it u can easily copy anything u've viewed in ur browser. It is very simple, when the video finishes loading 100%, just open the cache viewer, & u'll find that file there. [u'll have to search a little]

I've successfully copied many trailers from apple.com. to my HDD with this add-on. Hope this helps.

[foxyshadis]

Originally Posted by Avish

Hi Foxyshadis, If u use Firefox, then there is add-on called Cache Viewer, with it u can easily copy anything u've viewed in ur browser. It is very simple, when the video finishes loading 100%, just open the cache viewer, & u'll find that file there. [u'll have to search a little]

I've successfully copied many trailers from apple.com. to my HDD with this add-on. Hope this helps.

I know, but the question was about streaming. It's a snap to play downloaded files, but getting them to play embedded in a web page is proving to be a difficult problem.

[kurt]

Originally Posted by Tordenflesk

mgh: I tried that but it still "took over" the job of decoding h264.
foxyshadis: Stupid me, i knew that. Any idea if it'll play the trailers on apple.com? and is it possible to save the file, just like with QT?
EDIT: No, it won't

there is a trailer page with all directlinks to qt trailers: http://www.davestrailerpage.co.uk/

vlc and mplayer can play these mov files. Furthermore you could install coreavc/ffdshow and decode them with haali splitter in mpc. no need for quicktime/qt alternative at all.

btw: mostly i remux them in mkv

[Tordenflesk]

Originally Posted by kurt

there is a trailer page with all directlinks to qt trailers: http://www.davestrailerpage.co.uk/

vlc and mplayer can play these mov files. Furthermore you could install coreavc/ffdshow and decode them with haali splitter in mpc. no need for quicktime/qt alternative at all.

btw: mostly i remux them in mkv

Looks like that'll be my solution then. Thanks for all help.

[jmnk]

This is a problem that has been puzzling me for a while. Why is it that I can't get a directshow-based player to play apple trailers by streaming from the web site? I mean - if i download the files to my drive I can play virtually every single one with no problem. Which means I have all needed filters: the trailers play mostly with Haali + ffdshow audio + ffdshow video + renderer. But when I try to play the same file without downloading the MPC player complains with the error like this (or similar):

VLC player can play every single apple trailer I have tried - either from a local copy or off the web site. I use it to verify if the url is correct.

So is it that Haali splitter can't "read" http-streamed media? Can it be fixed somehow? Any ideas?

I know there are many ways to just download the trailer first - but why is it needed? How is it that VLC has no problems?
regards.

[smok3]

my suggestion would be;
- use mpui for *.mov or *.mp4 playback locally
- you can dl any trailers by looking at the html source a bit and then dropping the link to wacket or some similar downloader.

links;
http://mpui.sourceforge.net/ official
http://mulder.dummwiedeutsch.de/home...ojects#mplayer Lord mulder's
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/wackget.html

[clsid]

If you use Media Player Classic to play local .mov files, then it will use QT to decode them, which is terribly slow. Rename the files (e.g. to hdmov or mp4) and MPC will switch to use DirectShow filters, allowing CoreAVC to do the decoding.

[sillKotscha]

Originally Posted by clsid

If you use Media Player Classic to play local .mov files, then it will use QT to decode them, which is terribly slow. Rename the files (e.g. to hdmov or mp4) and MPC will switch to use DirectShow filters, allowing CoreAVC to do the decoding.

no need to rename them if you set up MPC to use directshow from the beginning

Originally Posted by jmnk

so there's no hope of playing streamed mov in MPC (via directshow filters only), is there?

??? streaming works at 100%... even with DS ... that's why I have installed Quicktime Alternative even though you wouldn't need it if you follow the setup below...

EDIT: my MPC/ ffdshow setup

[jmnk]

Originally Posted by sillKotscha

no need to rename them if you set up MPC to use directshow from the beginning






??? streaming works at 100%... even with DS ... that's why I have installed Quicktime Alternative even though you wouldn't need it if you follow the setup below...

EDIT: my MPC/ ffdshow setup

thanks. I'm a bit puzzled. You are claiming that QTA would not be needed if I follow your setup. But looking at your setup - what do use use to decode h.264/avc? It is not ffdshow as you have it disabled for h.264, and it looks like you do not have coreAVC (nor nero, nor cyberlink). A healthy number of apple .mov trailers are encoded with h.264-like codec. So that would lead me to believe that your apple trailers are being played using QTA - which is exactly what we are trying not to use. Am I mistaken? Could you post a picture (or a graph file itself) of the filter chain your MPC creates when playing .mov trailers streamed from apple site?

[sillKotscha]

Originally Posted by jmnk

thanks. I'm a bit puzzled. You are claiming that QTA would not be needed if I follow your setup. But looking at your setup - what do use use to decode h.264/avc? It is not ffdshow as you have it disabled for h.264, and it looks like you do not have coreAVC (nor nero, nor cyberlink).

where do you see that?... I have CoreAVC installed to decode h.264 streams...

Originally Posted by jmnk

So that would lead me to believe that your apple trailers are being played using QTA - which is exactly what we are trying not to use. Am I mistaken?

mistaken?... yes and no

as stated there is a difference between files on your HD and streaming (apple) mov files...

just a picture of an aplle trailer on my HD:



I use MPC'S internal MP4/MOV source filter because of the information it displays... it is the only reason, otherwise I would use Haali's splitter for mov/mp4.



here you see a streamed trailer (your link)...



at this moment QTA is used - which is save, so you can play all trailers available... that's what I've said... streaming is the only reason for me I have installed QTA - otherwise I wouldn't need it

[kikker]

Sorry to beat a dead horse into the ground, but what about Haali's post above regarding the reg hack... Wouldn't this circumvent the problem of not being able to stream AVC-like .mov files with ffdshow/coreAVC?

[jmnk]

Originally Posted by sillKotscha

where do you see that?... I have CoreAVC installed to decode h.264 streams...



mistaken?... yes and no

as stated there is a difference between files on your HD and streaming (apple) mov files...

just a picture of an aplle trailer on my HD:



I use MPC'S internal MP4/MOV source filter because of the information it displays... it is the only reason, otherwise I would use Haali's splitter for mov/mp4.



here you see a streamed trailer (your link)...



at this moment QTA is used - which is save, so you can play all trailers available... that's what I've said... streaming is the only reason for me I have installed QTA - otherwise I wouldn't need it

Perhaps I mis-read your post. On the top of your setup page you mention:
"assumed you have installed:

current versions of:

- Real Alternative 1.51

- QuickTime Alternative 1.77

- Haali Media Splitter (27/02/2007 - v1.7.89.0)

- ffdshow (I use: ffdshow_rev967_20070226_xxl.exe)

I have configured it as follows..."
- so I assumed you do not have anything else.
Also, you stated:
"??? streaming works at 100%... even with DS ... that's why I have installed Quicktime Alternative even though you wouldn't need it if you follow the setup below..." - the way I read this sentence it means that I do not need QT even for streaming if I follow your setup. Playing streaming .mov via QT components (while perfectly fine for most of the people) is not what we are trying to solve (I stated some reasons it may not be a good option for some setuos earlier).
And finally "as stated there is a difference between files on your HD and streaming (apple) mov files..." - well, thanks for pointing out the obvious.... The question is why there's a difference, why filters playing local files are not enough for playing streamed content.

[clsid]

The trailers on the apple site link to small redirect files. VLC is able to parse them. DS players don't understand them. So that is why you need to download the actual file first.

[jmnk]

Originally Posted by clsid

The trailers on the apple site link to small redirect files. VLC is able to parse them. DS players don't understand them. So that is why you need to download the actual file first.

I'm afraid that is not the problem. I mean MPC will definitely not play the file when given the link from apple web site. But it will not play the file even if I do provide a link to an actual file. maybe an example would be better:
the link on apple web site:
http://images.apple.com/movies/sony_...ness_h.320.mov
that is just a small ~145 bytes file you can download and open in notepad. I can understand that MPC can't properly parse it, get out the "real" link, and try to open "real" file. I would wish it could - but I kind of understand it is outside the scope of what MPC does.

But I can open apple web page (or even easier get the proper path to a real file from the above small redirection file) and construct a full path to a real file myself. In this case the "real" file is at
http://images.apple.com/movies/sony_...yness_h320.mov (note the missing '.' between 'h' and '320'). This url actually points to a .mov file - you can download it, it will be about 5.7MB. Now, feeding this now-correct path to MPC still results in an error. So there must be something else that prevents MPC from playing online mov files. Any other ideas?

@shrade
[QUOTE=Schrade;965983]"Also, Quicktime Alternative's player can usually detect when a file is a Quicktime HD trailer and will pop up its downloader that allows you to either just save the file or save the file then play it using MPC. It won't stream it though, of course." [/QOUTE]- why so? what is preventing MPC player from streaming?

[Schrade]

Originally Posted by Tordenflesk

Is it possible to have both QT alt. and CoreAVC installed at the same time without causing trouble?
It seems i have there 2 choices:
1. both installed: Rubbish playback(dropping frames like a mad scientist) of local files, but i can watch embeddded files without a problem, or...
2. I Get rid of QT ALT, and have only CoreAVC installed. That way i can enjoy 1080P Without dropping frames, but no embedded videos work. Is there a way for me to use CoreAVC instead of QT for local files?

Yes.

Just set Quicktime file to DirectShow instead of Quicktime in View -> Options -> Formats in Media Player Classic.

By default it's set to Quicktime so you must change it manually. (You have to click on the Quicktime word in the right column and it then turns into a dropdown menu) Might want to make sure you have the latest ffdshow tryouts too and set it to decode SVQ1/3 files as those are what most Quicktime files use if they don't use H.264.

Also, Quicktime Alternative's player can usually detect when a file is a Quicktime HD trailer and will pop up its downloader that allows you to either just save the file or save the file then play it using MPC. It won't stream it though, of course.