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mclingo · 21st August 2019, 13:37

ive had my OLED TV for nearly 5 years now, I've decided I want to teach myself how to calibrate and do it on both my TV's, but on the cheap. Whats the cheapest unit I can get new or used that anyone can recommend for an OLED calibration?

chros · 21st August 2019, 14:14

i1Display Pro (I think you can buy used one as well if it's not 5 years old, but recent).

mclingo · 21st August 2019, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by chros

i1Display Pro (I think you can buy used one as well if it's not 5 years old, but recent).

Thanks, i'll have a look, is this any good just to get me going, I can upgrade to something better later when I have more cash.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/X-Rite-Ey...53.m1438.l2649

chros · 21st August 2019, 15:51

No, you have to search for exactly that name.

mclingo · 21st August 2019, 16:28

I mean will the cheaper one do for now, will it give me a basic color calibration, I cant afford the display pro one right now.

huhn · 21st August 2019, 19:10

never heard of that cheap meter. don't cheap out and buy twice.
i1d3 has a lot of correction this cheap one clearly not.
a color munki is an option but is really slow on dark patches.

e-t172 · 21st August 2019, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclingo

Whats the cheapest unit I can get new or used that anyone can recommend for an OLED calibration?

The reference is the i1 Display Pro as mentioned above. However, the cheaper ColorMunki Display has the same hardware and should produce the same results (verified by comparing results from my i1 Display Pro to a friend's ColorMunki). The only difference is the software included (which doesn't matter as you likely won't use it) and, most importantly, the ColorMunki has been deliberately crippled to be slower at making measurements. Bottom line: if you're impatient, go for the i1 Display Pro. If you're patient, go for the ColorMunki Display.

Asmodian · 21st August 2019, 20:19

And by patient we mean hours and hours for a full patch set. Even with an i1Display Pro it takes me 3 to 5 hours to do a full calibration (3500+ patches), I have never used a ColorMunki but slower would be painful!

mclingo · 21st August 2019, 21:55

ok thanks all

SamuriHL · 21st August 2019, 22:52

I need to get me one of these, as well. I'd like to properly calibrate both my C8 and my Panny plasma one of these days. I'll need to save some pennies but it's going on my Christmas list. LOL

SamuriHL · 28th August 2019, 02:10

This isn't really "madvr" related but I do think this is a good thing for the average consumer.

https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...n-4k-tvs/44731

Not to mention, and the reason I bring it up here, I'm IMPRESSED that the industry finally did something as a unified front! LOL This could be interesting to watch.

huhn · 29th August 2019, 01:27

madVR could trigger it.

but... even remotely believing in this a feature scares me and pretty much every not terrible Tv manufacture does something like this with cinema or real cinema.

SamuriHL · 29th August 2019, 01:38

Well, I think this is more than just cinema or real cinema mode cause those still sometimes enable all the horrible post processing that we mostly hate. I'm not suggesting advanced users need or want it but for the average viewer, this is probably going to end up being a good thing.

Warner306 · 29th August 2019, 02:58

I hope the factory color calibration is better than the "accurate" picture presets of most displays. But I can't see display manufacturers putting that much effort into getting the RGB high/low calibrated from the factory. My Samsung TV was a little over Delta E ~1 when it was first turned on. It is possible.

SamuriHL · 29th August 2019, 04:23

I tend to agree with you there. I don't think this is meant for the madvr crowd. I think it's meant for the average consumer who bitches about the soap opera effect or wicked stuttering in panning shots. I have real doubts that it'll turn a thousand dollar 55" vizio into a mastering display. Lol

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Warner306 · 29th August 2019, 04:58

Getting the grayscale close to Delta E ~1 without having the Warm color temperature look too yellow in the whites would likely be good enough. That is what I was referring to. I know many don't like the Warm color presets on many TVs because the colors look too warm. Only expensive TVs seem to put any care into the factory calibration.

Asmodian · 29th August 2019, 06:46

It has actually improved really a lot in the last several years, probably due to white LEDs getting much better. I measured shockingly high dE values on those early LED lit LCDs, even many of the CCFL backlights had gamuts much smaller than BT.709. Above 15 dE was very common along with whites that measured 8000-9000K or higher, but were also way off the black body curve. You couldn't calibrate that to anything usable.

Now even very cheap displays' dE values tend to stay below ~10 or so with pretty good BT.709 gamuts, though my recent sample size isn't too large. It is still not really possible to get a good calibration on them but at least the picture is halfway decent out of the box.

I could see this initiative being a reasonable improvement, at least there is a actual target and the basic hardware should be capable. I think a lot of TVs have been tuned by focus groups of normal consumers, who tended to like brighter and more saturated colors when asked which image looks better.

SamuriHL · 29th August 2019, 12:49

I think that's pretty accurate. At least with this being driven by directors like nolan and others in the industry it should be closer to what they envision for their films. It's not likely going to be perfect and certainly won't compete with a properly calibrated screen but even if it gets home viewing a little closer to the cinema ideal it's really a good thing imo.

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mclingo · 29th August 2019, 13:08

I dont like how Nolan films or masters near black stuff, for example, the star fields in interstellar were grey and lost all their impact, you end up having to crush his movies slightly at 5IRE I find.

so.. I got one of these on ebay, it was so cheap (£9 I thought I could get it to familiarize myself with DISPLAY CAL and buy something better at a later date, assuming I can get it to work with win10, if not I can host a win7 VM.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/ColorVision.../dp/B000ES4PYU

any thoughts on the spyder2?

huhn · 29th August 2019, 15:39

could be completely useless now.

the first mater that doesn't drift hard was the i1d3 and the spyder 2 is many many years older it could be 12 years old.

if you grab the firmware from the installer it will work with displaycal but this thing is not to be trusted anymore.

21st August 2019, 13:37	#481 \| Link
mclingo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,348	ive had my OLED TV for nearly 5 years now, I've decided I want to teach myself how to calibrate and do it on both my TV's, but on the cheap. Whats the cheapest unit I can get new or used that anyone can recommend for an OLED calibration? __________________ LG OLED EF950-YAM RX-V685-RYZEN 3600 - 16GBRAM - WIN10 RX 5700 - https://www.videohelp.com/software/madVR/old-versions

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chros Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,323	i1Display Pro (I think you can buy used one as well if it's not 5 years old, but recent). __________________ Ryzen 5 2600,Asus Prime b450-Plus,16GB,MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB(v398.18),Win10 LTSC 1809,MPC-BEx64+LAV+MadVR,Yamaha RX-A870,LG OLED77G2(2160p@23/24/25/29/30/50/59/60Hz) \| madvr config

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chros Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,323	No, you have to search for exactly that name. __________________ Ryzen 5 2600,Asus Prime b450-Plus,16GB,MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6GB(v398.18),Win10 LTSC 1809,MPC-BEx64+LAV+MadVR,Yamaha RX-A870,LG OLED77G2(2160p@23/24/25/29/30/50/59/60Hz) \| madvr config

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mclingo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,348	I mean will the cheaper one do for now, will it give me a basic color calibration, I cant afford the display pro one right now. __________________ LG OLED EF950-YAM RX-V685-RYZEN 3600 - 16GBRAM - WIN10 RX 5700 - https://www.videohelp.com/software/madVR/old-versions

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Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	And by patient we mean hours and hours for a full patch set. Even with an i1Display Pro it takes me 3 to 5 hours to do a full calibration (3500+ patches), I have never used a ColorMunki but slower would be painful! __________________ madVR options explained

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,925	never heard of that cheap meter. don't cheap out and buy twice. i1d3 has a lot of correction this cheap one clearly not. a color munki is an option but is really slow on dark patches.

21st August 2019, 21:55	#489 \| Link
mclingo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,348	ok thanks all __________________ LG OLED EF950-YAM RX-V685-RYZEN 3600 - 16GBRAM - WIN10 RX 5700 - https://www.videohelp.com/software/madVR/old-versions

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	I need to get me one of these, as well. I'd like to properly calibrate both my C8 and my Panny plasma one of these days. I'll need to save some pennies but it's going on my Christmas list. LOL __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

28th August 2019, 02:10	#491 \| Link
SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	This isn't really "madvr" related but I do think this is a good thing for the average consumer. https://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...n-4k-tvs/44731 Not to mention, and the reason I bring it up here, I'm IMPRESSED that the industry finally did something as a unified front! LOL This could be interesting to watch. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

29th August 2019, 01:27	#492 \| Link
huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,925	madVR could trigger it. but... even remotely believing in this a feature scares me and pretty much every not terrible Tv manufacture does something like this with cinema or real cinema.

29th August 2019, 01:38	#493 \| Link
SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	Well, I think this is more than just cinema or real cinema mode cause those still sometimes enable all the horrible post processing that we mostly hate. I'm not suggesting advanced users need or want it but for the average viewer, this is probably going to end up being a good thing. __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

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Warner306 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,127	I hope the factory color calibration is better than the "accurate" picture presets of most displays. But I can't see display manufacturers putting that much effort into getting the RGB high/low calibrated from the factory. My Samsung TV was a little over Delta E ~1 when it was first turned on. It is possible. __________________ HOW TO - Set up madVR for Kodi DSPlayer & External Media Players

29th August 2019, 04:23	#495 \| Link
SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	I tend to agree with you there. I don't think this is meant for the madvr crowd. I think it's meant for the average consumer who bitches about the soap opera effect or wicked stuttering in panning shots. I have real doubts that it'll turn a thousand dollar 55" vizio into a mastering display. Lol Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

29th August 2019, 04:58	#496 \| Link
Warner306 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 1,127	Getting the grayscale close to Delta E ~1 without having the Warm color temperature look too yellow in the whites would likely be good enough. That is what I was referring to. I know many don't like the Warm color presets on many TVs because the colors look too warm. Only expensive TVs seem to put any care into the factory calibration. __________________ HOW TO - Set up madVR for Kodi DSPlayer & External Media Players

29th August 2019, 06:46	#497 \| Link
Asmodian Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: San Jose, California Posts: 4,407	It has actually improved really a lot in the last several years, probably due to white LEDs getting much better. I measured shockingly high dE values on those early LED lit LCDs, even many of the CCFL backlights had gamuts much smaller than BT.709. Above 15 dE was very common along with whites that measured 8000-9000K or higher, but were also way off the black body curve. You couldn't calibrate that to anything usable. Now even very cheap displays' dE values tend to stay below ~10 or so with pretty good BT.709 gamuts, though my recent sample size isn't too large. It is still not really possible to get a good calibration on them but at least the picture is halfway decent out of the box. I could see this initiative being a reasonable improvement, at least there is a actual target and the basic hardware should be capable. I think a lot of TVs have been tuned by focus groups of normal consumers, who tended to like brighter and more saturated colors when asked which image looks better. __________________ madVR options explained

29th August 2019, 12:49	#498 \| Link
SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	I think that's pretty accurate. At least with this being driven by directors like nolan and others in the industry it should be closer to what they envision for their films. It's not likely going to be perfect and certainly won't compete with a properly calibrated screen but even if it gets home viewing a little closer to the cinema ideal it's really a good thing imo. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED

29th August 2019, 13:08	#499 \| Link
mclingo Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,348	I dont like how Nolan films or masters near black stuff, for example, the star fields in interstellar were grey and lost all their impact, you end up having to crush his movies slightly at 5IRE I find. so.. I got one of these on ebay, it was so cheap (£9 I thought I could get it to familiarize myself with DISPLAY CAL and buy something better at a later date, assuming I can get it to work with win10, if not I can host a win7 VM. https://www.amazon.co.uk/ColorVision.../dp/B000ES4PYU any thoughts on the spyder2? __________________ LG OLED EF950-YAM RX-V685-RYZEN 3600 - 16GBRAM - WIN10 RX 5700 - https://www.videohelp.com/software/madVR/old-versions

29th August 2019, 15:39	#500 \| Link
huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,925	could be completely useless now. the first mater that doesn't drift hard was the i1d3 and the spyder 2 is many many years older it could be 12 years old. if you grab the firmware from the installer it will work with displaycal but this thing is not to be trusted anymore.