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Old 25th March 2019, 01:24   #55501  |  Link
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So, dat Samsung AI upscaling technology..

Here's the hurdle, They've got money, and all the resource in the world.

At some point, advancing this technology requires raw compute resources, to train the algorithms, to be content aware, and to continuously UPDATE.

I think, there's an opportunity here, for Madshi to Leverage ALL of Madvr enthusiast's collective GPU power in such training.

Otherwise, Samsung will just beat us over the head with MONEY..


Perhaps a distributive compute process for training that everyone can download, and help run, like folding @ home?
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Old 25th March 2019, 02:23   #55502  |  Link
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Can you stop posting nonsense here?
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For madVR v0.92.17 or later:
Max Quality settings.bin
Low Power settings.bin

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1709584

why no more Heater settings?
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Old 25th March 2019, 07:46   #55504  |  Link
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Feel free to post in that thread, you will get answers there too.

Once I got a 2080 Ti, and switched to NGU AA for my default (not related), the heater and "max" settings became the same thing, and so max is a bit more accurate of a name now.

NGU AA does not have direct 4x so I have to use double again. Also, the 2080 Ti still has plenty of room left for RCA and/or sharpening, if needed, even with 2x NGU very high twice for 720p30 to 4K.
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Old 25th March 2019, 14:54   #55505  |  Link
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Can you stop posting nonsense here?
What nonsense are you referring to? Are you talking about the idea of distributed picture analysis through neural networks?
I'm totally ignorant about the tech hurdles to overcome but the idea, overall, doesn't seem to me so "nonsense". At the very least it's worth discussing, I guess.
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Old 25th March 2019, 15:17   #55506  |  Link
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Guys, I got an old tv that has its own sharpening chip which can't be disabled. What it's doing is creating checker boxes from what looks like -Grain- ?

Are the patches output by Madtpg completely solid without grain (dithered patterns)? It might just be this tv which is itself crazy, but wanted to confirm with y'all.

The problem this is causing is up and down measurements near the frequencies where their sharpening algorithm is trying to detect edges.

So when it distorts a patch with sharpening patterns, it's measured incorrectly as darker.
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Old 25th March 2019, 15:55   #55507  |  Link
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can you provide a sample and what decoder is used?
If you insist. Though you can make some of your own if you want with the official codec:
https://mega.nz/#F!54QDmCQQ!-2Txj1DmyVR7faTUE6j0NA
(These original files created by the recorder software, so they also have the audio stream.)
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Old 25th March 2019, 18:30   #55508  |  Link
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Those two files work on my system ("mission 08" "mission 22") with LAV 0.74.1 outputting respectively RGB32 and YV24 to madVR.
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Are the patches output by Madtpg completely solid without grain (dithered patterns)?
Completely solid, of course. Old plasma?
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Old 25th March 2019, 21:29   #55510  |  Link
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Feel free to post in that thread, you will get answers there too.

Once I got a 2080 Ti, and switched to NGU AA for my default (not related), the heater and "max" settings became the same thing, and so max is a bit more accurate of a name now.

NGU AA does not have direct 4x so I have to use double again. Also, the 2080 Ti still has plenty of room left for RCA and/or sharpening, if needed, even with 2x NGU very high twice for 720p30 to 4K.
Hi Asmodian,

I was using old Heater settings with NGU Sharp but now, I'm using your Max settings with my geforce 1080ti and the result is very, very good.
I use it for 2160p23, 1080p23, 720p23 and Streaming. I do not have dropped frames and the render time is 14 or 19 ms approx.
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Old 25th March 2019, 22:04   #55511  |  Link
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Those two files work on my system ("mission 08" "mission 22") with LAV 0.74.1 outputting respectively RGB32 and YV24 to madVR.
I kind of borked the comment, but the problem is with the official codecs, not LAV video.
The RGB (T2) one working is a tad suspicious since ffmpeg/LAV doesn't support it.
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Old 25th March 2019, 22:06   #55512  |  Link
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I kind of borked the comment, but the problem is with the official codecs, not LAV video.
The RGB (T2) one working is a tad suspicious since ffmpeg/LAV doesn't support it.
As far as I can tell, FFmpeg/LAV supports those "T2" ones fine, only "Pro" formats are not supported (10-bit).
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As far as I can tell, FFmpeg/LAV supports those "T2" ones fine, only "Pro" formats are not supported (10-bit).
Not my experience. FFmpeg/ffplay can't use them ("Invalid data found when processing input") . Also I get a black screen during playback in media players with LAV.

MPC-BE internal filter also gives black screen. MPV gives a spam of "Error while decoding frame!" errors.

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I kind of borked the comment, but the problem is with the official codecs, not LAV video.
Can you check in MPC's 'pin info' tab in the filter properties, the format (and other info) that the official decoder outputs, and compare it to what LAV outputs?
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Not my experience. FFmpeg/ffplay can't use them ("Invalid data found when processing input") . Also I get a black screen during playback in media players with LAV.

MPC-BE internal filter also gives black screen. MPV gives a spam of "Error while decoding frame!" errors.
All I know is that the video in your zip plays fine. Perhaps your earlier videos were somehow corrupt.
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Old 26th March 2019, 00:51   #55516  |  Link
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All I know is that the video in your zip plays fine. Perhaps your earlier videos were somehow corrupt.
Well, those are the very ones I tried, and the t2 one doesn't work with LAV and the others.


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Can you check in MPC's 'pin info' tab in the filter properties, the format (and other info) that the official decoder outputs, and compare it to what LAV outputs?
Well, I don't know what specifically are you looking for, here's everything:
Code:
Filter : UMRG Decoder DMO - CLSID : {94297043-BD82-4DFD-B0DE-8177739C6D20}

- Connected to:

CLSID: {E1A8B82A-32CE-4B0D-BE0D-AA68C772E423}
Filter: madVR
Pin: Input

- Connection media type:

Video: RGB24 1600x1200 59.999fps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE: 
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: MEDIASUBTYPE_RGB24 {E436EB7D-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo {05589F80-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 0
cbFormat: 88

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 166670

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 1600
biHeight: 1200
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 24
biCompression: 0
biSizeImage: 5760000
biXPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0e 8b 02 00 00 00 00 00 ...............
0030: 28 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 01 00 18 00 (...@..........
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 e4 57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .....W.........
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00                         ........

- Enumerated media type 0:

Set as the current media type

- Enumerated media type 1:

Video: RGB32 1600x1200 59.999fps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE: 
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: MEDIASUBTYPE_RGB32 {E436EB7E-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo {05589F80-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 0
cbFormat: 88

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 166670

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 1600
biHeight: 1200
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 32
biCompression: 0
biSizeImage: 7680000
biXPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0e 8b 02 00 00 00 00 00 ...............
0030: 28 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 01 00 20 00 (...@........ .
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 30 75 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .....0u.........
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00                         ........
Code:
Filter : ULH4 Decoder DMO - CLSID : {94297043-BD82-4DFD-B0DE-8177739C6D20}

- Connected to:

CLSID: {E1A8B82A-32CE-4B0D-BE0D-AA68C772E423}
Filter: madVR
Pin: Input

- Connection media type:

Video: YV24 1600x1200 59.999fps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE: 
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {34325659-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo {05589F80-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 0
cbFormat: 88

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 166670

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 1600
biHeight: 1200
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 24
biCompression: YV24
biSizeImage: 5760000
biXPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0e 8b 02 00 00 00 00 00 ...............
0030: 28 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 01 00 18 00 (...@..........
0040: 59 56 32 34 00 e4 57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 YV24.W.........
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00                         ........

- Enumerated media type 0:

Set as the current media type

- Enumerated media type 1:

Video: RGB24 1600x1200 59.999fps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE: 
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: MEDIASUBTYPE_RGB24 {E436EB7D-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo {05589F80-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 0
cbFormat: 88

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 166670

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 1600
biHeight: 1200
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 24
biCompression: 0
biSizeImage: 5760000
biXPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0e 8b 02 00 00 00 00 00 ...............
0030: 28 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 01 00 18 00 (...@..........
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 e4 57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .....W.........
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00                         ........

- Enumerated media type 2:

Video: RGB32 1600x1200 59.999fps

AM_MEDIA_TYPE: 
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Video {73646976-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: MEDIASUBTYPE_RGB32 {E436EB7E-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770}
formattype: FORMAT_VideoInfo {05589F80-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 1
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 0
cbFormat: 88

VIDEOINFOHEADER:
rcSource: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
rcTarget: (0,0)-(1600,1200)
dwBitRate: 0
dwBitErrorRate: 0
AvgTimePerFrame: 166670

BITMAPINFOHEADER:
biSize: 40
biWidth: 1600
biHeight: 1200
biPlanes: 1
biBitCount: 32
biCompression: 0
biSizeImage: 7680000
biXPelsPerMeter: 0
biYPelsPerMeter: 0
biClrUsed: 0
biClrImportant: 0

pbFormat:
0000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 ........@......
0020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0e 8b 02 00 00 00 00 00 ...............
0030: 28 00 00 00 40 06 00 00 b0 04 00 00 01 00 20 00 (...@........ .
0040: 00 00 00 00 00 30 75 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .....0u.........
0050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00                         ........
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so on my system:

ut-teszt-t2 = RGB sample

RGB sample:
on my system the RGB sample can't be send into EVR directly if the native decoder UMRG decoder dmo is used it needs a color space converter or MPC hc will fallback to "video renderer" i didn't even know that there could be a fallback renderer.
lavfilter with either madVR or EVR gave me a black screen if 64 BIT is used it work fine for both on 32 bit.

if lavfilter is blocked the first decoder for this file my system is going to use is AVI Decompressor (UMRG) no colorspace converter nothing works totally fine.

so the odd things here on my system are the native decoder needing a color space converter and lav filter as decoder giving a black screen on 64 bit.

BTW. lav splitter -> prefer UMRG de... -> prefer colorspace converter -> madVR works.

at least to me it looks like UMRG decoder is kind of picky with the need of the color space converter.
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i read last week about "Vulkan Working To Expose Video Encode/Decode" is this can be any useful to madvr if madshi or nevcairiel add it to lav if they add vulkan support ?
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lavfilter with either madVR or EVR gave me a black screen if 64 BIT is used it work fine for both on 32 bit.
I can confirm that. Should make it easy to find and fix it.
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if lavfilter is blocked the first decoder for this file my system is going to use is AVI Decompressor (UMRG) no colorspace converter nothing works totally fine.
I can't follow this line. Where does the "AVI Decompressor (UMRG)" filter come from? I have it but it's not loaded by default. To me it also loads a colorspace converter for EVR.

So you mean that with this unidentified filter it works without a colorspace converter for you?

It works for me too with madVR if I add the colorspace filter as well.
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