Which Matroska extensions would you prefer?

Atamido · 29th January 2003, 08:59

Well, with the release of Matroska coming near, it is time to decide on a file extension to be used. The team would like to use 2 seperate extensions. One for general usage and one for audio only files. Usually its just differenciated with the use of a "V", "S", or "A" (for video, sound, or audio). These are extensions that were suggested. This isn't a complete list, but these are the most likely to be picked. If you have any suggestions, please post below. We are trying to get an feel for the opinion of the community here, so please vote for your favorite.

Extensions that are already in use:
.MC2 Sierra Mastercook Cookbook File (Shouldn't be an issue)
.MC3 Bridge Design Modeler 3D Match-Casting Geometry Control (Shouldn't be an issue)
.MMV Sony MovieShaker File (potential problem)
.MMS Miles Sound Tools (Midi+DLS/MLS) (problem)
.ZA? (? = A, B, C,...) Output of the UNIX SPLIT Utility (Shouldn't be a problem)
.MAS Focus Master Data Definition (to many associactions)
Microsoft Access Stored Procedures [Buy Office XP at Shop.Microsoft]
Lotus Freelance Graphics Smartmaster File
QuickCard File
.MAV Microsoft Access View Shortcut (Unrelated, but common)
.XMV Milnta APL Transfer Function (Mainframe (SAM) Workspace)

This poll is slightly biased as I liked the zas/zav idea most and placed it at the top. If anyone thinks the "Z" should stand for something, use "Zorse".

MvB · 29th January 2003, 09:21

In my opinion mka and mkv sound a little more intuitiv than the others.

Assault · 29th January 2003, 12:36

Originally posted by Latexx in another thread:
I would suggest that you would select something like .mc2 to the end of the file name. Mc2 come from something like mcf^2 because matroshka is based on mcf and it is better version. Mc2 also refers to Einstein famous e=mc^2 thing(don't know what to call it in english).

I like that extension very much.

Furthermore mc3 for audio sounds similar to mp3...

outlyer · 29th January 2003, 13:46

Quote:

Originally posted by Assault
I like that extension very much.

Furthermore mc3 for audio sounds similar to mp3...

But them could lead to some confusion: matroska is a container and using mc3 por "similarities" with mp3, could make some people think it's an audio format, maybe not a big issue but I would try to avoud confusion to the max. Aaand, IMHO it would be a bit lame to use the reputation of another format to promote the new container...

Ooh, and they're in use, although as Pamel said shouldn't be an issue in this case.

robUx4 · 29th January 2003, 14:44

Well, all of them have some good sides. I personally prefer one that you can pronounce, instead of the usual 3 letters. That's also why matroska has been chosen. (in the other hand EBML is just a usual acronym).

BTW, could Doom9 mention this thread on the news page ? I think everybody would like to know that they can have a word on this

bond · 29th January 2003, 15:01

I want .mp5 extension!

outlyer · 29th January 2003, 16:17

Quote:

Originally posted by robUx4
Well, all of them have some good sides.

I know

as some advantages were mentioned, I just wanted to note the disavantages, as I see them, of theese extensions.

Suikun · 29th January 2003, 20:57

"kav/kas (kas=shit in Japanese/German)"

Erm...why? German is my first language and such a word doesn't even exist here...
As for Japanese, a word such as that can't exist. The closest would be "kasu", which _can_ mean scum...

bond · 29th January 2003, 21:12

kas = käse

if something is "a kas" it is shit

mkv = mittelschülerkartellverband

which is an umbrella organization for reactionary, conservative student's fraternities

i dont really like both!

outlyer · 29th January 2003, 21:51

Quote:

Originally posted by bond
mkv = mittelschülerkartellverband

which is an umbrella organization for reactionary, conservative student's fraternities

I guess most 3 letters combinations will be acronyms of something i some language :P

bond · 29th January 2003, 22:07

i guess .mp5 cant be misunderstood

robUx4 · 29th January 2003, 22:08

That's why it's better to make sure it's shit !!! (even if it's not)

Atamido · 29th January 2003, 22:27

Quote:

Originally posted by outlyer
I guess most 3 letters combinations will be acronyms of something i some language :P

But, I'm pretty sure zav/zas is safe.

robUx4 · 29th January 2003, 22:41

BTW, we were thinking about .pee and .poo. Anyone ?

bond · 29th January 2003, 22:46

lol, interesting idea

for me the other suggestions sound a little bit too "strict"

whats wrong about .mp5, the people will love it just because it sounds like mp3?

robUx4 · 29th January 2003, 23:10

2 reasons :
- it doesn't differentiate audio and video (bad for choosing a player for each)
- that would be an easy target for the MPEG group (as they might want to use it someday). we don't want to start wars like this

Atamido · 30th January 2003, 00:57

Quote:

Originally posted by robUx4
BTW, we were thinking about .pee and .poo. Anyone ?

I thought you wanted to use .goo

bond · 30th January 2003, 01:07

Quote:

Originally posted by robUx4
- it doesn't differentiate audio and video (bad for choosing a player for each)

so lets call the audio container .mp5a

Quote:

- that would be an easy target for the MPEG group (as they might want to use it someday). we don't want to start wars like this

hm do they have a right to use the .mp5 extension? i dont think so. i also havent heard anything about something like MPEG-5 so i dont think that anyone plans to use a .mp5 extension? but perhaps i am wrong...

anyway i thought that it is a good idea because the people will love it just because of the name!!!
i dont think that the ordinary user is interested in technical details like the container x does this or that better than .avi! the people want some cool files to show their friends like "whoa mp5, the successor of mp3 in the video world, whoa cool", have a look at the moviez scene and you will see that you cant find even only 1 .ogm release. .ogm can be a thousand times better than .avi but the people (except some "freaks") arent going to use it!
i am studying economics and the first thing the students learn in the first semester is that a good idea alone is not enough. there are thousands of examples of companies founded by technicians with great skills, great ideas and great products who were bankrupt after a short time because they didnt "invest" just a little bit in "marketing" (ok you have christianhjw

)

but before i write an novel i will stop, just think if you want the masses to use matroska or only the pros? if you want the masses you have to give them something which sounds great (matroska, kas, mkv

)
.mp5 can profit from .mp3s popularity

but thats only my opinion...

bond · 30th January 2003, 01:10

Quote:

Originally posted by Pamel
I thought you wanted to use .goo

.goo is also a good idea (although it sounds a little bit like .ogg), or try animal names

like .dog, .cat

Atamido · 30th January 2003, 01:29

Quote:

Originally posted by bond
.goo is also a good idea (although it sounds a little bit like .ogg)

Well, that is the idea. The opposite of ogg. Ogg is for streaming, and Matroska is for editing. So, why not have .ogg and .goo? Well, the answer to that is that the Xiph crew probably wouldn't like it. (Emmett has no sense of humor)

But seriously folks, keep those votes coming. I'm really counting on a flook of Doom9'ers to come and vote for ZAV/ZAS.

View Poll Results: Which Matroska extension would you like to see used?
zav/zas	6	4.62%
mkv/mka	78	60.00%
kav/kas (kas=shit in Japanese/German)	7	5.38%
mc2/mc3/etc...	8	6.15%
mmv/mma/mms	6	4.62%
xmv/xma	16	12.31%
I have a better one posted below.	9	6.92%
Voters: 130. You may not vote on this poll

29th January 2003, 08:59	#1 \| Link
Atamido Señor Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 915	Which Matroska extensions would you prefer? Well, with the release of Matroska coming near, it is time to decide on a file extension to be used. The team would like to use 2 seperate extensions. One for general usage and one for audio only files. Usually its just differenciated with the use of a "V", "S", or "A" (for video, sound, or audio). These are extensions that were suggested. This isn't a complete list, but these are the most likely to be picked. If you have any suggestions, please post below. We are trying to get an feel for the opinion of the community here, so please vote for your favorite. Extensions that are already in use: .MC2 Sierra Mastercook Cookbook File (Shouldn't be an issue) .MC3 Bridge Design Modeler 3D Match-Casting Geometry Control (Shouldn't be an issue) .MMV Sony MovieShaker File (potential problem) .MMS Miles Sound Tools (Midi+DLS/MLS) (problem) .ZA? (? = A, B, C,...) Output of the UNIX SPLIT Utility (Shouldn't be a problem) .MAS Focus Master Data Definition (to many associactions) Microsoft Access Stored Procedures [Buy Office XP at Shop.Microsoft] Lotus Freelance Graphics Smartmaster File QuickCard File .MAV Microsoft Access View Shortcut (Unrelated, but common) .XMV Milnta APL Transfer Function (Mainframe (SAM) Workspace) This poll is slightly biased as I liked the zas/zav idea most and placed it at the top. If anyone thinks the "Z" should stand for something, use "Zorse". Last edited by Pamel; 29th January 2003 at 09:04.

29th January 2003, 15:01	#6 \| Link
bond Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,770	I want .mp5 extension! __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

29th January 2003, 20:57	#8 \| Link
Suikun The void that is my self Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 47	"kav/kas (kas=shit in Japanese/German)" Erm...why? German is my first language and such a word doesn't even exist here... As for Japanese, a word such as that can't exist. The closest would be "kasu", which _can_ mean scum... __________________ Kono yo ni aku ga aru to sureba sore wa hito no kokoro da.

29th January 2003, 21:12	#9 \| Link
bond Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,770	kas = käse if something is "a kas" it is shit mkv = mittelschülerkartellverband which is an umbrella organization for reactionary, conservative student's fraternities i dont really like both! __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free Last edited by bond; 29th January 2003 at 21:17.

29th January 2003, 09:21	#2 \| Link
MvB dings! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Between the horns... Posts: 249	In my opinion mka and mkv sound a little more intuitiv than the others.

29th January 2003, 12:36	#3 \| Link
Assault Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 180	Originally posted by Latexx in another thread: I would suggest that you would select something like .mc2 to the end of the file name. Mc2 come from something like mcf^2 because matroshka is based on mcf and it is better version. Mc2 also refers to Einstein famous e=mc^2 thing(don't know what to call it in english). I like that extension very much. Furthermore mc3 for audio sounds similar to mp3...

29th January 2003, 14:44	#5 \| Link
robUx4 Matroska Team Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Paris, France Posts: 421	Well, all of them have some good sides. I personally prefer one that you can pronounce, instead of the usual 3 letters. That's also why matroska has been chosen. (in the other hand EBML is just a usual acronym). BTW, could Doom9 mention this thread on the news page ? I think everybody would like to know that they can have a word on this

29th January 2003, 22:07	#11 \| Link
bond Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,770	i guess .mp5 cant be misunderstood __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

29th January 2003, 22:08	#12 \| Link
robUx4 Matroska Team Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Paris, France Posts: 421	That's why it's better to make sure it's shit !!! (even if it's not)

29th January 2003, 22:41	#14 \| Link
robUx4 Matroska Team Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Paris, France Posts: 421	BTW, we were thinking about .pee and .poo. Anyone ?

29th January 2003, 22:46	#15 \| Link
bond Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 9,770	lol, interesting idea for me the other suggestions sound a little bit too "strict" whats wrong about .mp5, the people will love it just because it sounds like mp3? __________________ Between the weak and the strong one it is the freedom which oppresses and the law that liberates (Jean Jacques Rousseau) I know, that I know nothing (Socrates) MPEG-4 ASP FAQ \| AVC/H.264 FAQ \| AAC FAQ \| MP4 FAQ \| MP4Menu stores DVD Menus in MP4 (guide) Ogg Theora \| Ogg Vorbis use WM9 today and get Micro$oft controlling the A/V market tomorrow for free

29th January 2003, 23:10	#16 \| Link
robUx4 Matroska Team Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Paris, France Posts: 421	2 reasons : - it doesn't differentiate audio and video (bad for choosing a player for each) - that would be an easy target for the MPEG group (as they might want to use it someday). we don't want to start wars like this