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Old 22nd October 2019, 16:48   #57661  |  Link
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I very much doubt it'll be soon but they're still working on tone mapping. And making huge gains.

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I was hoping MADHI would at some point soon start looking into to better compression / streaming artefact algos to help with poorly compressed streamed material and some poorly mastered blurays, there hasnt been a major dev on anything but tone mapping for ages.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 17:13   #57662  |  Link
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what's wrong with the current ones?

that's the usual way things happen here he finished something after month -years of worl and then it is like this for a long time.

the best way to change madshi mind is to proof there is something wrong with the current implementation that was done countless times in the past and is done right now with tone mapping.

tone mapping work will not change anytime soon a product he works on is supposed to be shipped in this year.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 18:25   #57663  |  Link
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No idea then, unless you're using more than one monitor, which can cause similar issues.
Only one monitor and that's all. I'm thinking it might be happening after shutdown of the pc, tried with restart again and it was ok, I'll test with shutdown again later.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 18:29   #57664  |  Link
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The current algos are great with light banding, no issues there are all, these can stay as they are. Howeve they are not suitable for near black macro blocking and other near black issues because the algo works on the entire picture so if you have to go heavy to deal with really bad near black issues it destroys the rest of the image.

We really need something that just works at near black, lighter areas of the picture dont get compressed as much and tend to look ok.

The final game of thrones seaon is a good example, it was totally unwatchable at times on OLED but it wasnt much better on high end LCD's either.

An example bluray is Snowpeircer, here is a clip, its all kinds of awful.

https://1drv.ms/v/s!AgvFafeelEBijd4j...KfkWw?e=8p04yS
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Old 22nd October 2019, 19:08   #57665  |  Link
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a blu ray encoded with 1 ref frame and 11 mbit combined with 32 kbit mono AAC and cropped?
why do i even get a feeling this is CBR encoded from someone that has ittle to no clue what they are doing which will make dark scenes even worse.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 20:11   #57666  |  Link
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yes its a quck and dirty rip, but hey, why not throw in a totally unnecessary insult , that always helps doesnt it....

its looks identical to the bluray which I also have.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 20:19   #57667  |  Link
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bluray

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij5kH...K6NKg?e=BWDUzW


dirty rip

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgvFafeelEBij5kG...uDFtA?e=xBYcGQ
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Old 22nd October 2019, 20:27   #57668  |  Link
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so having little to no clue what someone is doing in something like this is an insult?

an tool like mkvtoolkit can cut files without any reencoding and it should be faster too.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 20:38   #57669  |  Link
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can you plz make sure it is the same frame. you can navigate per frame by using control + arrow key left right in mpc-HC.
both are still cropped and that's not allowed on a blu ray.

BTW. you don't have to provide a sample from a blu ray your reencode is fine too but you should specify that because if you don't the first question should be if the encoded is bad because it is not a blu ray so a problem with an reencode.

edit: plz lossless images like png we want to judge rendered images not images that are again compressed.

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Old 22nd October 2019, 20:43   #57670  |  Link
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you've pointed out a percieved inadequcy with a clip ive posted which turned out to be wrong, the clip was perfectly adequate for the intented purpose as you can see in the screen shots, therefore I knew exactly what I was doing when I made it several years ago, if I made it again now, it might be different but its totally fine.

But that isnt really the problem, its your abraisive manner, you could have simply said " are you sure that clip is a good enough representation of the bluray", but no, you want straight into accuse mode.

Do you even know when you are being abraisive, are you deliberately trying to wind people up or is there a language barrier here?
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Old 22nd October 2019, 20:47   #57671  |  Link
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you just posted jpg of different frames.

so again you have no clue what you are doing good day sir.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 21:14   #57672  |  Link
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it should be clear to everyone that the compression artefacts are so bad that its irrelvant that they dont share the same frame, this was meant as a comparison shot to show that the clip was close enough to the bluray.

stop being so petty and puerile.
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Old 22nd October 2019, 22:10   #57673  |  Link
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This feature request has been brought up multiple times, we're all aware of the limitations of some sets and the likelihood we'll see anything addressing those in madVR in the short term. Didn't really need it brought up again, by the time anything is likely implemented you'll have a new TV.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 00:12   #57674  |  Link
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We really need something that just works at near black, lighter areas of the picture dont get compressed as much and tend to look ok.
The final game of thrones seaon is a good example, it was totally unwatchable at times on OLED but it wasnt much better on high end LCD's either.
My TV doesn't have a good enough contrast ratio, so I had to increase the brightness of your images a little to be able to see what you're talking about, and yet it doesn't seem too noticeable. So you say that these artifacts are very noticeable in an OLED in a not completely dark environment? In that case I guess that reducing the brightness a bit should help.

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This feature request has been brought up multiple times, we're all aware of the limitations of some sets and the likelihood we'll see anything addressing those in madVR in the short term. Didn't really need it brought up again, by the time anything is likely implemented you'll have a new TV.
The point is that this is not due to a limitation but because of a feature such as the contrast ratio that is likely to continue to improve on future TVs.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 00:16   #57675  |  Link
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I recently added a new graphics card to my computer, a RX 5700 XT on PCIE3x8, in parallel with my older Radeon R9 290X on PCIE3x4. Both work fine with madVR except with the 5700 card it takes an additional 2 seconds to start video playback compared to the old card with exactly the same madVR settings. Seems unrelated to the file being played. I assumed this was shader cache related and tried clearing that from Radeon settings but nothing changed. I enabled "delay playback start until render queue is full" to avoid dropping frames at the start for now but would rather remove the delay.

Start time from when MPC-HC window appears to video playing:
On display connected to R9 290X: 1.3s
On display connected to RX 5700 XT: 3.1s

OS Windows 7 64-bit

Any ideas what could be causing it and how I could fix it?

I also seem to have been hit by coil whine with NGU (very high is very noticeable, others are slightly audible) but can almost completely (only audible if room is quiet or ear next to computer) resolve that by setting "don't flush after intermediate render steps". Combined with lowering GPU powerlimit to -50% (still plenty of performance left) it completely removes the coil whine (barely audible with ear next to GPU).
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Old 23rd October 2019, 05:02   #57676  |  Link
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My TV doesn't have a good enough contrast ratio, so I had to increase the brightness of your images a little to be able to see what you're talking about, and yet it doesn't seem too noticeable. So you say that these artifacts are very noticeable in an OLED in a not completely dark environment? In that case I guess that reducing the brightness a bit should help.
I think the problem is that he has a 2015 Oled.
2015/2016 Oleds had terrible near-black gradation. I've had a LG C6 before and that TV would show any near-black artifacts exaggerated.

Recent Oleds generally handle near-blacks much better but there are still some issues...
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My TV doesn't have a good enough contrast ratio, so I had to increase the brightness of your images a little to be able to see what you're talking about, and yet it doesn't seem too noticeable. So you say that these artifacts are very noticeable in an OLED in a not completely dark environment? In that case I guess that reducing the brightness a bit should help.
if you calibrate your system properly and in this case not clipping levels is enough to see compression artefacts
if an screen is unable to display this properly is just an completely different issue.

what so ever this file is not nice. deband high does a pretty good job on it but this is not fixable is just how much do you want to hide vs how much damage to the not dark part are fine to you. it's could be possible to trigger the dreaded black makro block flickering on these LG oleds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl_t3UQ3gAk

mastering screen are usually IPS 1000:1 screen like the eizo coloredge series there are other screen that are not IPS yes there are but that's not the point.
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This feature request has been brought up multiple times, we're all aware of the limitations of some sets and the likelihood we'll see anything addressing those in madVR in the short term. Didn't really need it brought up again, by the time anything is likely implemented you'll have a new TV.
lowing the bit deep for dark scenes using dithering was talked before for oled but i can't remember dynamic post processing.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 18:57   #57678  |  Link
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Hi there

wondering if anybody could help on my last question I posted here?

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Old 24th October 2019, 01:42   #57679  |  Link
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using HDR mode on projector is not recommended.

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Since I'm here, another unrelated question: if I play some older videos (in my case a 720x480 video), picture is not upscaled to full screen. What am I missing?
that's a dvd resolution they don't have square pixels and can be used to displayed at 4:3 or 16:9 if this information is missing it will be displayed at 3:2 which is wrong if the file is for some reason supposed to be displayed like this it will have black boarders left and right.


you didn't by any chance added every resolution you could find under display mode didn't you?
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Old 24th October 2019, 02:10   #57680  |  Link
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Hi. I'm Italian and new on this forum and I don't speak English very well.
I appreciate a lot the guide about MadVR and I'm trying to optimize it for my needs.
I have a htpc with MSI Z390A-pro mobo, I5-9600K cpu, 16 Gb ram, Nvidia 1660 gpu, bd drive, ssd and nas with a lot of concerts and movies ripped from br discs.
I have a Sony VPL-vw870es (calibrated BT2020) as projector and a Trinnov Altitude 16 as processor. I use Jriver Media Center 25 with MadVR, but I don't like to use more than one setup.
So I set MadVR with PC levels 0-255,10 bit, already calibrated BT2020 pure power curve 2.20, 2160p23, 24, 25, 29, 30, 50, 60, tone map HDR using pixel shaders, tp 100, BT2390, highlight medium, measure each frame's peak; if in doubt, deactivate deinterlacing, disable automatic source type, force video mode, only look at pixels in the frame center; chroma ups. NGU Antialias medium, image ups. luma NGU Sharp, luma qu. direct qudrupole very high, chroma high; "use Direct3D 11..." and " "present a frame for every VSync" flagged in general settings, smooth motion only if there would be motion judder; ordered dithering, no flag in trade for quality.
It works very fine with all 23.970 fps videos (4k hdr, fhd, etc.), without interlacing. But I've issue to watch 29.970 fps videos, with a lot of dropped frames, motion juddering and stuttering. I have a lot of concerts with this fps (Diana Krall, Carlos Santana, Miles Davis, ecc.).
Can someone help me?
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