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13th June 2010, 20:36 | #241 | Link |
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That's why I said VP8 is FUD. It's a way to push something out there that's better than MPEG-2 and Theora, but still half-baked and not nearly fully optimized. It's pushed out now to great fanfare purely to keep people questioning their decisions, and regardless of the actual quality of the codec they have to keep the debate going. They were doing it with Theora right up until they bought On2, so even less reason to stop now. In a few months, maybe a year, it'll hold its own.
I didn't say On2 was a bad company or that it's not good to have format competition. I just said their work was a mess and it'll be a while before Google can fix it. Look at the absolute flurry of activity going on around the code right now, there is major plumbing work going on in the git, and it's going to come out of this a better codec, and what they learn will go into their real killer codec, VP9. |
13th June 2010, 21:21 | #242 | Link |
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They have still few years for improvements in code
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13th June 2010, 23:10 | #244 | Link |
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WebM support has just been added as of build 2029 of MPC-HC according to the changelog: http://www.xvidvideo.ru/logi-izmenen...omecinema.html
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14th June 2010, 15:09 | #246 | Link |
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Correct. External filters are still required for .webm playback.
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14th June 2010, 17:37 | #247 | Link |
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Well, The Best it can do right now is Same Quality @ Half Bit Rate. While that sounds Good on paper, we are simply scaling Video Resolution too quickly. Next Gen Video Codec has to deal with UHD ( 4K ). Which means even Half the Bitrate would still be larger then a 2K H.264 File.
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14th June 2010, 23:11 | #249 | Link | |
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The results showed that while it does less than 2x as well as JVT at SD (where 4x4 and 8x8 are most useful and H.264 is fine), it does better at HD than SD, and about the same with 4K (though only two 4K samples were used). The transform size is no longer a limiting factor. |
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looks like google is working on a new decoder
http://review.webmproject.org/#change,118 Quote:
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btw dont underestimate google, have you seen how android went from what to wow in around year?
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15th June 2010, 09:44 | #253 | Link |
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yeah android is very nice indeed, its hard to guess how much they can improve VP8 without violating patents, only time will tell i guess. Judging from the issues list on google's bug tracker it seems that there are quite alot of bugs in the current code with new flaws found daily, i'm sure in 2 months time there will be a stable version of VP8 with cleaner code and then they can start improving the speed and quality.
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15th June 2010, 15:35 | #255 | Link |
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new blog update from google: http://webmproject.blogspot.com/2010...date.html#more
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15th June 2010, 22:13 | #256 | Link |
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Hopefully they will open up to making fixes that change the bitstream :/ I'm sure you've seen their statement that they don't want to implement some fixes/improvements because they've already encoded a number of videos...
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16th June 2010, 12:28 | #259 | Link |
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No need to wait for google to finish their decoder #2. FFmpeg already got a (patch for a) native VP8 decoder, which out-performs the (classic) decoder of libvpx! It will be avail in all FFmpeg powered applications very soon (see reply of Mr. FFmpeg aka Michael Niedermayer)...
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While it was portrayed that way in the x264 developer's write up, if you actually followed the link provided you'll see that they didn't want to implement a fix found within 48 hours of the launch until after the launch so that they had time to do the re-encode. |
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