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huhn · 14th October 2021, 07:35

they are totally stupid.
https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/d...werden-koennen

and well the new bios version are adding windows 11 support if that's just TPM on by default or something more is somehting i can't judge but creating a new bios with "adds windows 11 support" is not something they should add for fun.

the TPM 1.2 thing is an issue because of that people where getting add cards/chips for somewhat older machines like zen 1 and now they are worthless.

ryrynz · 14th October 2021, 09:49

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Originally Posted by SamuriHL

become rock hard stable.

Wow.

Asmodian · 14th October 2021, 10:14

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Originally Posted by huhn

and well the new bios version are adding windows 11 support if that's just TPM on by default or something more is somehting i can't judge but creating a new bios with "adds windows 11 support" is not something they should add for fun.

I think this is just the defaults for CSM, Secure Boot, and TPM. I have a new X570 board and Asus did an update for Win11 that changed all those default settings. They used to all be wrong for Win11. The changelog even says:
1. Support Windows 11 by default, no settings changes required in the UEFI BIOS.

But of course they might have changed something else too.

ashlar42 · 14th October 2021, 13:05

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Originally Posted by huhn

the TPM 1.2 thing is an issue because of that people where getting add cards/chips for somewhat older machines like zen 1 and now they are worthless.

To be honest, people were doing that before Windows 11 had been released. While specifications were still up in the air. Why were they doing this? Because they were afraid of a shortage of components, maybe? So they wanted to be "smarter" than the average consumer?

All this to abandon an OS that has guaranteed support for a minimum of another 4 years (and I wouldn't be surprised if that gets extended).

I am not overly concerned about that behavior. That's basically on them if they have bought something that is worthless. If you want to be the earliest of early adopters... well, risk is on you, in my opinion.

clsid · 14th October 2021, 14:12

The TPM/CPU requirement can easily be bypassed (for now). I have Win11 running inside VirtualBox on a 2nd gen i7. Even Windows updates are coming in.

But it is understandable that MS only offers official "support" for modern hardware. It is usually old hardware/driver that is giving troubles.

By the time Win10 goes EOL, the currently supported hardware is already 5-8 years old already.

el Filou · 14th October 2021, 16:51

Does this new 495 branch support new Windows 11 features (WDDM) that the last 472.12 did not? Because that one already officially supported Windows 11 and also still supported Kepler.

oldpainlesskodi · 14th October 2021, 17:55

Think I'll be staying on Win10 with AMD for a bit then, or buy a dedicated Media Player with DV support etc.

Balling · 17th October 2021, 14:12

Nobody needs no TPM for windows 11. That is BS. This script workarounds the tempertrantum from Micro. https://gist.github.com/AveYo/c74dc7...b5d65613187b15

As for Secure Boot, it is a must have feature, if you are signing the kernel and its modules yourself. Also UEFI means no grub is needed, kernel can load natively in 4K resolution (grub also supports 4K now, but on some destributives it is commented out). For microsoft it also means GPT, since Microsoft thought that they do not need to follow the UEFI spec that allows MBR too. At least NTFS works usually.

distobj · 20th October 2021, 21:34

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Originally Posted by ryrynz

Most just use the latest unless you have specific use case that isn't working for example custom refresh rates. I'm not aware of any broken functionality with madVR with the latest drivers and that's really what we care about most.

I've been using 442.74 since it came out. Any recent driver update, including the latest, displays washed out colours despite properly switching to HDR on my LG OLED. I'm even running Win10 21H1.

Suggestions?

ryrynz · 20th October 2021, 22:15

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Originally Posted by distobj

I've been using 442.74 since it came out. Any recent driver update, including the latest, displays washed out colours despite properly switching to HDR on my LG OLED. I'm even running Win10 21H1.

Suggestions?

Aside from looking to see whether there's extra devices that have been loaded in MadVR that might be affecting this and changing output bitrate in the graphics settings and trying an earlier driver nothing else springs to mind. Anyone else have these issues?

Chouonsoku · 20th October 2021, 22:27

Just to verify, is everyone else seeing only 8 bpc as an option for NVIDIA GPUs under Windows 11? Using driver 496.13 on Windows 11 build 22000.258 with a GTX 1070 Ti. Had options for both 10 bpc and 12 bpc in Windows 10.

brazen1 · 21st October 2021, 00:38

12bit using W11 here. Did you set it for resolutions 30Hz and under?

Chouonsoku · 21st October 2021, 05:54

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Originally Posted by brazen1

12bit using W11 here. Did you set it for resolutions 30Hz and under?

I set the TV to 23 Hz and only 8 bpc was offered, it's the same for other frequencies. I tried creating a custom resolution but nothing gives me 10 or 12 bpc.

What GPU are you using? Wonder if it's a weird query bug or something because I'm on an HDMI 2.0 device.

Asmodian · 21st October 2021, 07:17

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Originally Posted by Chouonsoku

What GPU are you using? Wonder if it's a weird query bug or something because I'm on an HDMI 2.0 device.

That does seem possible, but weird. Have you tried deleting all your displays, and letting it be re-detected, using CRU?

Custom resolutions do not offer >8 bit modes.

Chouonsoku · 21st October 2021, 15:28

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Originally Posted by Asmodian

That does seem possible, but weird. Have you tried deleting all your displays, and letting it be re-detected, using CRU?

Is that as easy as opening CRU, hitting delete next to each display in the drop down, saving and then running restart64.exe? If so, no dice.

Might try a clean install of the drivers next.

Edit: Clean installed the latest studio driver with DDU, no change.

nsnhd · 22nd October 2021, 03:59

Something has changed in windows 10, FSW mode is creating ghosting and artifacts in 3D frame packing and FSE has to be used with mpc-hc/madVR.

Balling · 22nd October 2021, 20:26

You need to set YCbCr obviously.

Chouonsoku · 22nd October 2021, 22:40

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Originally Posted by Balling

You need to set YCbCr obviously.

That actually does work in Windows 11 (thank you!) but that doesn't exactly fix the problem I'm seeing. HDMI 2.0 has more than enough bandwidth for 3840x2160p @ 12-bit RGB @ 24 Hz. Forcing chroma subsampling to get 10/12 bpc should not be necessary.

Again, doing this works fine in Windows 10.

Edit: Hah, I fixed it. Deep color wasn't enabled on the HDMI input, swapping that on enabled 12 bpc RGB. ��

huhn · 23rd October 2021, 07:16

without the "deep color"(or what ever they name it) your TV runs in a compatible mode where it is actually 1.4.

this problem just bandwidth issue.

SamuriHL · 26th October 2021, 16:57

Now what the hell did they break...er, I mean, oh good!

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clsid ***** Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,647	The TPM/CPU requirement can easily be bypassed (for now). I have Win11 running inside VirtualBox on a 2nd gen i7. Even Windows updates are coming in. But it is understandable that MS only offers official "support" for modern hardware. It is usually old hardware/driver that is giving troubles. By the time Win10 goes EOL, the currently supported hardware is already 5-8 years old already. __________________ MPC-HC 2.2.1

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el Filou Registered User Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 896	Does this new 495 branch support new Windows 11 features (WDDM) that the last 472.12 did not? Because that one already officially supported Windows 11 and also still supported Kepler. __________________ HTPC: Windows 10 22H2, MediaPortal 1, LAV Filters/ReClock/madVR. DVB-C TV, Panasonic GT60, Denon 2310, Core 2 Duo E7400 oc'd, GeForce 1050 Ti 536.40

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oldpainlesskodi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 366	Think I'll be staying on Win10 with AMD for a bit then, or buy a dedicated Media Player with DV support etc. __________________ LG OLED55BX6LB, Zidoo Z1000 Pro, Yamaha RX-A3060, Polk Signature Fronts & Centre, Wharfedale D300 Atmos surrounds, Polk Signature HTS 10 Sub, DSPeaker Antimode 8033 Cinema

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Balling Registered User Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 541	Nobody needs no TPM for windows 11. That is BS. This script workarounds the tempertrantum from Micro. https://gist.github.com/AveYo/c74dc7...b5d65613187b15 As for Secure Boot, it is a must have feature, if you are signing the kernel and its modules yourself. Also UEFI means no grub is needed, kernel can load natively in 4K resolution (grub also supports 4K now, but on some destributives it is commented out). For microsoft it also means GPT, since Microsoft thought that they do not need to follow the UEFI spec that allows MBR too. At least NTFS works usually. Last edited by Balling; 17th October 2021 at 14:20.

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brazen1 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 331	12bit using W11 here. Did you set it for resolutions 30Hz and under? __________________ HOW TO-Kodi 2D-3D-UHD (4k) HDR Guide Internal & External Players W11 Pro 24H2 GTX960-4GB RGB 4:4:4 @Matched Refresh Rates 8,10,12bit KODI 22 MPC-HC/BE 82" Q90R Denon S720W

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,926	they are totally stupid. https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/d...werden-koennen and well the new bios version are adding windows 11 support if that's just TPM on by default or something more is somehting i can't judge but creating a new bios with "adds windows 11 support" is not something they should add for fun. the TPM 1.2 thing is an issue because of that people where getting add cards/chips for somewhat older machines like zen 1 and now they are worthless.

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Chouonsoku Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 52	Just to verify, is everyone else seeing only 8 bpc as an option for NVIDIA GPUs under Windows 11? Using driver 496.13 on Windows 11 build 22000.258 with a GTX 1070 Ti. Had options for both 10 bpc and 12 bpc in Windows 10.

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nsnhd Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 130	Something has changed in windows 10, FSW mode is creating ghosting and artifacts in 3D frame packing and FSE has to be used with mpc-hc/madVR.

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Balling Registered User Join Date: Feb 2020 Posts: 541	You need to set YCbCr obviously.

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huhn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 7,926	without the "deep color"(or what ever they name it) your TV runs in a compatible mode where it is actually 1.4. this problem just bandwidth issue.

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SamuriHL Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 5,351	Now what the hell did they break...er, I mean, oh good! __________________ HTPC: Windows 11, AMD 5900X, RTX 3080, Pioneer Elite VSX-LX303, LG G2 77" OLED