madVR - high quality video renderer (GPU assisted) - Page 667

Andy o · 16th June 2012, 01:18

If the aliasing is caused by the display's pixels, how can it be more visible if the pixels are smaller? That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that in your case the aliasing is not more visible, just that it might be caused by something else.

Also, "retina" is not "nothing" more than a high PPI screen. Its meaning is that the pixels are fine enough that the eye won't see them.

namaiki · 16th June 2012, 13:24

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Originally Posted by e-t172

A word a caution: make sure the display doesn't lie to you. For example I can send my laptop's screen basically anything from 30 Hz to 80 Hz or so, but its actual refresh rate is still 60 Hz and it's dropping/duplicating frames internally to compensate. Suffice to say, the result is pretty much unwatchable.

Thank you for the notice. Most unfortunately for me, my 47" LCD TV (connected via VGA port :P) does this frame dropping/duplicating thing, so I have resort to using my laptop's tiny 13" screen which can do 48/72Hz.

Keiyakusha · 16th June 2012, 16:29

Hey, it was discussed some time ago and someone find out that madvr is incompatible with VirtuMVP. Does anything changed about it so far?
(the point is to use madvr on virtualized intel integrated graphics without extending desktop to it or connecting any display at all)

aufkrawall · 16th June 2012, 18:50

Unfortunately, no.

ajp_anton · 17th June 2012, 07:22

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Originally Posted by Hypernova

I don't think there is any LCD panel that can do native 24/48p.

My old white 15-inch Macbook does 48Hz perfectly. It also accepts 24Hz, but for some reason it adds some white noise.
In 48Hz it's so smooth I can't believe I'm watching 24fps-movies on it. After years of wathing them on 60Hz panels I've come to believe 24Hz is just too little to be smooth.
Not to mention pretty much every TV does 24Hz, and most of them are LCD.

Fandango · 17th June 2012, 14:10

Anybody knows something about madshi? (i follow this and LAV filters thread only)

kalston · 17th June 2012, 14:15

IIRC he said he was working on a commercial project or something and thus wouldn't be able to work on madVR for a while.

Gaius · 17th June 2012, 21:19

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Originally Posted by kalston

IIRC he said he was working on a commercial project or something and thus wouldn't be able to work on madVR for a while.

Good for him.

dansrfe · 18th June 2012, 05:24

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Originally Posted by kalston

IIRC he said he was working on a commercial project or something and thus wouldn't be able to work on madVR for a while.

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Originally Posted by Gaius

Good for him.

lol..

Yankun · 18th June 2012, 16:48

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Originally Posted by kalston

IIRC he said he was working on a commercial project or something and thus wouldn't be able to work on madVR for a while.

I miss some updates though, the current version has been for 2-3 months maybe? I don't really remember.

Just a quick question, I know madshi has probably replied this already, but I've made a lot of search and I still don't quite get this. It's about queue in madVR (GPU & CPU).

What I know until now is that queue determines how much madVR will push your CPU/GPU for performance, I've been using the default settings on my Intel GMA 4500 and I want to know if I should lower the numbers or increase them in the configurations settings (for better performance), any help is appreciated.

I'm not native speaker so my English may seem "broken", sorry for that.

namaiki · 18th June 2012, 17:08

For me on my laptop with Intel HD graphics, I lowered the GPU queue to the lowest and also set to disable Aero in fullscreen.

Not sure which scalers you can use with that older Intel GPU. What resolution is your screen and what resolution and frame rate are your videos?

ikarad · 18th June 2012, 19:07

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Fixed Single-GPU Issues

Media Player Classic Home Cinema displays a black screen during playback when using the MadVR video renderer.
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http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/art...vers-released/

Keiyakusha · 18th June 2012, 20:12

What? Never got any black screens except when i'm trying to use it under VitruMVP, but this cant be it, right? However will be cool if someone can verify. I don't feel like trying beta drivers

aufkrawall · 18th June 2012, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Keiyakusha

What? Never got any black screens except when i'm trying to use it under VitruMVP, but this cant be it, right? However will be cool if someone can verify. I don't feel like trying beta drivers

It was already fixed with the latest WHQL driver.
I don't know why they are mentioning it now, but at least they do and fixed it.

Coldblackice · 19th June 2012, 08:03

I have some videos that are blatantly interlaced, yet no matter what manner of configurations I try to get madVR to deinterlace, it just won't do it. I've tried all manner of configurations between madVR and Catalyst Control deinterlace settings.

After checking the OSD of the playing clip, it says "deinterlacing off (says bitsream)". With my lacking knowledge in the process of interlace-detection, I assumed that to mean that there's some type of flag embedded in the video clip that's telling madVR that it absolutely doesn't need deinterlacing. Thus, the detection algorithm isn't even being activated (which it would surely see that there's need to deinterlace).

I opened up the video's properties in MPC, and sure enough, the scan type for the clip is set to "Progressive". I'm guessing that this is the reason why no deinterlacing is being performed? When I open the clip in VLC and force deinterlacing, the clip looks perfect.

Question -- Is it possible for me to somehow access and edit the clip's setting/flag to change it away from Progressive to Interlaced? And if that's not possible, is there some way to get madVR to ignore the flag/bitsetting for clips?

Obviously, I'd prefer if I could change the clip's flag, so as to not have to manually twist madVR's arm to deinterlace specific clips. Surely there must be a way?

Thanks!

Andy o · 19th June 2012, 08:52

You can force deinterlacing on/off with CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+D. I thought adding something to the file name like 59i or 29i would force deinterlacing, but it seems that's not working (24i works though, but it also forces IVTC). I don't know if 59i not working is by design, or maybe madshi forgot to implement it.

Andy o · 19th June 2012, 08:57

hmm now I realize there's no difference between 24p and 24i.

Coldblackice · 19th June 2012, 09:43

Shoot. Well, as the interlace flag in the mkv file was set to 0, I used mkvpropedit to set it to 1. But it still shows "deinterlace off (says bitsream)" while playing. And in the properties, it still shows the Scan Type as Progressive. I fear that the only way is to somehow re-encode, and at a (likely) hefty quality cost

nevcairiel · 19th June 2012, 10:31

If the bitstream is encoded as progressive, you can't easily change that without re-encoding.
Like Andy said, what you can do is hit ctrl-alt-shift-D to force deinterlacing of a specific clip during playback.

mzso · 19th June 2012, 19:44

Hello!
I recently switched from madVR because of problems I found no solutions to.
And to my surprise the seeking behaviour changed. Until now I thought its determined by the splitter or decoder. (Which would be LAV)
Anyway now the AV gets desynced and then the video speeds up, instead of halted playback until the video gets decoded. Anyway to get the former seeking behaviour with EVR?

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Andy o Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 962	If the aliasing is caused by the display's pixels, how can it be more visible if the pixels are smaller? That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying that in your case the aliasing is not more visible, just that it might be caused by something else. Also, "retina" is not "nothing" more than a high PPI screen. Its meaning is that the pixels are fine enough that the eye won't see them. __________________ MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI, Ryzen 5900x, RTX 3070, Win 10-64. Pioneer VSX-LX503, LG OLED65C9 Last edited by Andy o; 16th June 2012 at 01:38.

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Keiyakusha 契約者 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,576	Hey, it was discussed some time ago and someone find out that madvr is incompatible with VirtuMVP. Does anything changed about it so far? (the point is to use madvr on virtualized intel integrated graphics without extending desktop to it or connecting any display at all) Last edited by Keiyakusha; 16th June 2012 at 18:46.

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Andy o Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 962	You can force deinterlacing on/off with CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+D. I thought adding something to the file name like 59i or 29i would force deinterlacing, but it seems that's not working (24i works though, but it also forces IVTC). I don't know if 59i not working is by design, or maybe madshi forgot to implement it. __________________ MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI, Ryzen 5900x, RTX 3070, Win 10-64. Pioneer VSX-LX503, LG OLED65C9

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Andy o Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 962	hmm now I realize there's no difference between 24p and 24i. __________________ MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI, Ryzen 5900x, RTX 3070, Win 10-64. Pioneer VSX-LX503, LG OLED65C9

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nevcairiel Registered Developer Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Hamburg/Germany Posts: 10,347	If the bitstream is encoded as progressive, you can't easily change that without re-encoding. Like Andy said, what you can do is hit ctrl-alt-shift-D to force deinterlacing of a specific clip during playback. __________________ LAV Filters - open source ffmpeg based media splitter and decoders

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aufkrawall Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,812	Unfortunately, no.

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Fandango Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1	Anybody knows something about madshi? (i follow this and LAV filters thread only)

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kalston Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 164	IIRC he said he was working on a commercial project or something and thus wouldn't be able to work on madVR for a while.

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namaiki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,073	For me on my laptop with Intel HD graphics, I lowered the GPU queue to the lowest and also set to disable Aero in fullscreen. Not sure which scalers you can use with that older Intel GPU. What resolution is your screen and what resolution and frame rate are your videos?

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Keiyakusha 契約者 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,576	What? Never got any black screens except when i'm trying to use it under VitruMVP, but this cant be it, right? However will be cool if someone can verify. I don't feel like trying beta drivers

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Coldblackice Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 10	I have some videos that are blatantly interlaced, yet no matter what manner of configurations I try to get madVR to deinterlace, it just won't do it. I've tried all manner of configurations between madVR and Catalyst Control deinterlace settings. After checking the OSD of the playing clip, it says "deinterlacing off (says bitsream)". With my lacking knowledge in the process of interlace-detection, I assumed that to mean that there's some type of flag embedded in the video clip that's telling madVR that it absolutely doesn't need deinterlacing. Thus, the detection algorithm isn't even being activated (which it would surely see that there's need to deinterlace). I opened up the video's properties in MPC, and sure enough, the scan type for the clip is set to "Progressive". I'm guessing that this is the reason why no deinterlacing is being performed? When I open the clip in VLC and force deinterlacing, the clip looks perfect. Question -- Is it possible for me to somehow access and edit the clip's setting/flag to change it away from Progressive to Interlaced? And if that's not possible, is there some way to get madVR to ignore the flag/bitsetting for clips? Obviously, I'd prefer if I could change the clip's flag, so as to not have to manually twist madVR's arm to deinterlace specific clips. Surely there must be a way? Thanks!

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Coldblackice Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 10	Shoot. Well, as the interlace flag in the mkv file was set to 0, I used mkvpropedit to set it to 1. But it still shows "deinterlace off (says bitsream)" while playing. And in the properties, it still shows the Scan Type as Progressive. I fear that the only way is to somehow re-encode, and at a (likely) hefty quality cost

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mzso Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 930	Hello! I recently switched from madVR because of problems I found no solutions to. And to my surprise the seeking behaviour changed. Until now I thought its determined by the splitter or decoder. (Which would be LAV) Anyway now the AV gets desynced and then the video speeds up, instead of halted playback until the video gets decoded. Anyway to get the former seeking behaviour with EVR?