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Old 7th September 2011, 22:12   #12841  |  Link
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Hi!

See my post from last year:

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?...postcount=9533

(Similar in concept to "The Girl..." series)
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See my post from last year
So, I can't do a movie-only backup of this disc with BD-RB?
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Old 8th September 2011, 13:15   #12843  |  Link
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So, I can't do a movie-only backup of this disc with BD-RB?
You can do a movie-only backup of any legally authored disc. In the link the source violated the Blu-Ray standard. I'll see if I can get "A Star is Born" and test it.
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Old 8th September 2011, 17:51   #12844  |  Link
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I'll see if I can get that "A Star is Born" and test it.
I can provide more information of the disc in case you wish to save your $.
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I can provide more information of the disc in case you wish to save your $.
Is this the Judy Garland film? It seems to be the only one I can find on Blu-Ray (as opposed to the Barbra Streisand version).
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Old 8th September 2011, 19:06   #12846  |  Link
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Is this the Judy Garland film?
Yup, that's the one. Here's some info, just in case.

"Warner Bros. dedicates this film" text screen preceding the movie is a file named 00064.m2ts:
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : 234
Duration : 21s 104ms
Bit rate : 1 690 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.034
Stream size : 4.25 MiB (82%)

Audio #1
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 22s 48ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 64.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 172 KiB (3%)

Audio #2
ID : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 22s 48ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 64.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 172 KiB (3%)

Audio #3
ID : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 22s 48ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 64.0 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 172 KiB (3%)


Main movie is 00020.m2ts:
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : VC-1
Format profile : AP@L3
Codec ID : 234
Duration : 2h 55mn
Bit rate : 24.9 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.501
Stream size : 30.6 GiB (86%)

Audio #1
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format profile : MA / Core
Muxing mode : Stream extension
Codec ID : 134
Duration : 2h 55mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 425 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossless / Lossy

Audio #2
ID : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2h 55mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 242 MiB (1%)

Audio #3
ID : 4354 (0x1102)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2h 55mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 1 channel
Channel positions : Front: C
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 242 MiB (1%)


00064.m2ts is played first, followed seamlessly by 00020.m2ts. If you skip back to the beginning of the movie, playback resumes from start of 00020.m2ts; 00064.m2ts is not played.

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Old 9th September 2011, 03:28   #12847  |  Link
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I just shrank a Blu-ray movie, The Lincoln Lawyer, by using BD-Rebuilder. As a result, when I play it with PowerDVD 11, the Audio lags behind the video.
Has anyone had this kind of problem? Could somebody tell me how to resolve it?

[04:58:59] BD Rebuilder v0.38.09 (beta)
- Source: THE_LINCOLN_LAWYER
- Input BD size: 34.31 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:58:28.935]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[04:58:59] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [04:58:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00436]
- [05:20:44] Reencoding: VID_00436 (1 of 1)
- [05:20:44] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 170,444 frames
- Bitrate: 7,966 Kbs
- [05:20:44] Reencoding: VID_00436, Pass 1 of 2
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- [07:32:39] Reencoding: VID_00436, Pass 2 of 2
- [09:49:02] Video Encode complete
- [09:49:02] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [09:53:16] Multiplexing M2TS
[09:57:18]PHASE ONE complete
[09:57:18]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [09:57:18] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[10:01:35] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[10:01:35]JOB: THE_LINCOLN_LAWYER finished.
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Old 9th September 2011, 03:46   #12848  |  Link
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Hi!

Have you played your original, commercial Blu-ray disc, also using PowerDVD 11, to determine whether that disc also plays with an audio lag?
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Old 9th September 2011, 14:50   #12849  |  Link
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I just shrank a Blu-ray movie, The Lincoln Lawyer, by using BD-Rebuilder. As a result, when I play it with PowerDVD 11, the Audio lags behind the video.
Has anyone had this kind of problem? Could somebody tell me how to resolve it?

[04:58:59] BD Rebuilder v0.38.09 (beta)
- Source: THE_LINCOLN_LAWYER
- Input BD size: 34.31 GB
- Approximate total content: [01:58:28.935]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 6.1 [7601]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Auto Quality: Good (Very Fast), Two Pass
- Audio Settings: AC3=0 DTS=0 HD=0 Kbs=640
[04:58:59] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [04:58:59] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00436]
- [05:20:44] Reencoding: VID_00436 (1 of 1)
- [05:20:44] Collecting video information
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 170,444 frames
- Bitrate: 7,966 Kbs
- [05:20:44] Reencoding: VID_00436, Pass 1 of 2
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- Encode failed. Retrying.
- [07:32:39] Reencoding: VID_00436, Pass 2 of 2
- [09:49:02] Video Encode complete
- [09:49:02] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [09:53:16] Multiplexing M2TS
[09:57:18]PHASE ONE complete
[09:57:18]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [09:57:18] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[10:01:35] - Encode and Rebuild complete
[10:01:35]JOB: THE_LINCOLN_LAWYER finished.
I did the US version of that movie and it has no problems.

But I don't understand your report... you're reporting output that has audio sync issues, but your log shows an encode failure?

I'd recommend you reinstall from scratch following the directions in the first post of this thread. I'd also suggest that if you are overclocked, you lower the speed. Something is clearly wrong, and it looks like your system -- as the encode had issues during the first pass.
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Old 9th September 2011, 14:54   #12850  |  Link
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Have you played your original, commercial Blu-ray disc, also using PowerDVD 11, to determine whether that disc also plays with an audio lag?
The original disc is played perfectly by PowerDVD 11.
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I did the US version of that movie and it has no problems.

But I don't understand your report... you're reporting output that has audio sync issues, but your log shows an encode failure?

I'd recommend you reinstall from scratch following the directions in the first post of this thread. I'd also suggest that if you are overclocked, you lower the speed. Something is clearly wrong, and it looks like your system -- as the encode had issues during the first pass.
I think you are right. The program did encount an encode failure at the first pass, and I ignored it. I will try to install the program and rebuild it again. Thanks for you answer, jdobbs.

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Old 9th September 2011, 15:22   #12852  |  Link
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Another full backup to BD9, this time Your Highness, results in DTS HD Master 5.1/48kHz/24 bit being converted to DD 2.0 640kbps.

Some additional info:
This is a multi-part .m2ts movie, with a theatrical and extended version option. Regardless of choice, the original DTS HD Master is converted to DD2.0 640kbps.

NOTE: only the last .m2ts of either version is converted properly to DD 5.1 640kbps. This is what I find with the audio AVS:

Incorrectly converted:

Code:
#Created by BD Rebuilder - v0.38.09 (beta)
LoadPlugin("C:\Users\Ed\Desktop\BD-RBV03809C\tools\nicaudio.dll")
audio=DirectShowSource("G:\YOUR_HIGHNESS BDRB\WORKFILES\AUD_50285_4352.mkv").Amplify(1.2)
ConvertAudioTo16bit(ResampleAudio(audio, 48000))
Correctly converted:

Code:
#Created by BD Rebuilder - v0.38.09 (beta)
LoadPlugin("C:\Users\Ed\Desktop\BD-RBV03809C\tools\nicaudio.dll")
audio=NicDTSSource("50306.track_4352.dts").Amplify(1.2)
ConvertAudioTo16bit(ResampleAudio(audio, 48000))
It appears when BD-RB converts the file to .mkv and trys to convert that audio file with DirectShowSource to DD 5.1 it is unsuccessful.

When BD-RB converts the audio file with NicDTSSource on the .dts file it converts properly to DD 5.1 640kbps.

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While it is encoding, could you check your FFDSHOW audio decoder configuration? The "Mixer" checkbox should be unchecked. When the mixer is selected the default is for the audio to be converted to 2/0 (stereo). In BD-RB I manually turn that setting off during DirectShowSource() encoding and then reset it to its original value upon completion. The only thing I can imagine is if the setting is not "taking".

BD-RB uses this strategy on multi-part sources because NicDTSSource() isn't exact in it's timing, which can sometimes cause timing problems when attempting playback on full backups. If you look at the DD output of DTS sources when using NicDTSSource() you'll see that the audio length is very slightly different than the original. On a single-part movie it is no big deal and can be ignored, but it becomes an issue on multi-part playback (with certain players, e.g. Samsung).
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Mixer is checked right now, but I am not encoding anything at the moment.
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Mixer is checked right now, but I am not encoding anything at the moment.
If you uncheck it your problem will go away -- but that really only acts as a workaround and doesn't really fix the issue. BD-RB should be unchecking it temporarily during encoding.
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If you uncheck it your problem will go away -- but that really only acts as a workaround and doesn't really fix the issue. BD-RB should be unchecking it temporarily during encoding.
I have unchecked it now. I have never made any selection to that area of the ffdshow audio decoder before, so it does appear that if BD-RB is making that change as necessary, it is not reverting back to unchecked when completed.
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I have unchecked it now. I have never made any selection to that area of the ffdshow audio decoder before, so it does appear that if BD-RB is making that change as necessary, it is not reverting back to unchecked when completed.
Checked is the default on most installations. So it should normally be checked, but go unchecked when encoding DTS. It might be a rights issue, but it's hard to tell without actually being there to test it.
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Checked is the default on most installations. So it should normally be checked, but go unchecked when encoding DTS. It might be a rights issue, but it's hard to tell without actually being there to test it.
Since my setup is for BD-RB to do my audio conversions as necessary, I want it set to your preference. Then, if one of my test backups does this again, I can better provide you info to see if it is a bug or not.
So if it should be normally checked, I will do that.

Are you saying to us users that we need to verify the source first before making a selection to this ffdshow audio decoder mixer selection??
Or, most likely BD-RB should be checking/unchecking if source is DTS or not!

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Since my setup is for BD-RB to do my audio conversions as necessary, I want it set to your preference. Then, if one of my test backups does this again, I can better provide you info to see if it is a bug or not.
So if it should be normally checked, I will do that.

Are you saying to us users that we need to verify the source first before making a selection to this ffdshow audio decoder mixer selection??
Or, most likely BD-RB should be checking/unchecking if source is DTS or not!
It should all be automatic and the end-user shouldn't have to worry about it.
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Since my setup is for BD-RB to do my audio conversions as necessary, I want it set to your preference. Then, if one of my test backups does this again, I can better provide you info to see if it is a bug or not.
So if it should be normally checked, I will do that.

Are you saying to us users that we need to verify the source first before making a selection to this ffdshow audio decoder mixer selection??
Or, most likely BD-RB should be checking/unchecking if source is DTS or not!
Is there any chance that you have another DirectShow decoder in-place that is doing the decoding (rather than FFDSHOW)? If that decoder converts to stereo it could cause the issue as well.
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