Haali Renderer - Page 6

LoopX3 · 8th May 2006, 23:15

I have an ATI 9800 128MB (might not be Pro) and don't have any problems. There is no delay except for loading (~1-2 sec or less).
Other comp specs: P4 2.6, WinXP SP2, DirectX (April 2006), ATI Catalyst 6.4

LoRd_MuldeR · 8th May 2006, 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palikrovol

CPU increases very much when resize to full screen.

Yes, here too.

Haali · 8th May 2006, 23:27

Shaders are evaluated once for each destination pixel, so if you go fullscreen there is a lot more work to be done on the gpu. GPU drivers can wait for the gpu to complete rendering by spinning in a tight loop on a cpu, and this contributes to cpu use.

LoRd_MuldeR · 8th May 2006, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haali

Shaders are evaluated once for each destination pixel, so if you go fullscreen there is a lot more work to be done on the gpu. GPU drivers can wait for the gpu to complete rendering by spinning in a tight loop on a cpu, and this contributes to cpu use.

Interesting. But CPU usage isn't a big problem for me. Does not go higher than 75% at maximum. The problem is the long delay it takes to startup.

What about this: If playback was already started and I press stop and then play again, it will play immediately and *not* freeze. But once I open a new file, it will again freeze for about 15 sec. Seems like the Renderer needs to be re-initialized each time I open a new file. Is there a way to avoid that? Would be some improvement, because then I only had to wait 15 secs one time...

futurex · 9th May 2006, 00:59

i am still having a problem with playing dvd's with MPC + haali renderer. when i play the VOBs, or any file, it works fine. but when i open the dvd as a whole, mpc crashes after i try to seek

dscaler as the decoder. all is well when i change to overlay/vmr. this happens wit every dvd

flanger216 · 9th May 2006, 01:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haali

I have no other ideas so far. I understand this happens only on ati 9800 cards, right?

It also happens on my 512MB Radeon x1300 : about a 15-second delay, during which I get 100% CPU usage.

Sirber · 9th May 2006, 01:54

Works #1 on my X800XL 256MB. The more buffer I ask the more delay I get on start.

@flanger216

The decoder work at top speed to fill the buffer before the display start.

@All

Any way to get overlay video mirroring on ATI?

sillKotscha · 9th May 2006, 02:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirber

Any way to get overlay video mirroring on ATI?

if you use the official ati drivers and install their own control center as well, then you have to untick the coloured window...

and of course use ffdshow for overlay...

flanger216 · 9th May 2006, 02:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirber

Works #1 on my X800XL 256MB. The more buffer I ask the more delay I get on start.

@flanger216

The decoder work at top speed to fill the buffer before the display start.

@All

Any way to get overlay video mirroring on ATI?

Oh, I know. I'm not complaining; just noting that the mysterious 15-second delay isn't limited to Radeon 9800s.

Sirber · 9th May 2006, 02:40

@sillKotscha

I don't have the .NET control panel. All I have is ATI Tray Tool. I did not find that option yet

[edit]

gonna get it

Sirber · 9th May 2006, 03:00

setting the same as you now, still no overlay

[edit]

gonna extend desktop and fulslcreen manually then. no problem.

foxyshadis · 9th May 2006, 11:20

I have a little weirdness with Haali's. Half-D1 video (ye olde VHS) gets double-sized by the renderer, and then resized again when set to full screen. At least, I think it's resizing twice, because it looks aliased as hell, presumably the effect of bicubic's sharper resize. (Especially on low A values, almost looks like point sampling.)

(On the other hand, noticing finally got me to switch on ffdshow's resize. I don't suppose there's any way to do spline resize even partially in a shader...? So much better looking than normal kernel resizers.)

Haali · 9th May 2006, 15:48

No, resizing is done only once, but the size reported to the player is adjusted so the video fits the screen and is not too small.

flanger216 · 9th May 2006, 17:29

I still have the bug in Zoom Player where enlarging the video past 'full screen' (with 4:3 letterboxed content, for instance) causes the screen to blank out to a black screen.

B.F. · 10th May 2006, 02:06

Haali
I had a GF6600 card and I had a 5 sec delay on the startup.
Drivers ForceWare 84.25

And I think you need make this autoresizig thing optional.

Soulhunter · 10th May 2006, 08:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxyshadis

I have a little weirdness with Haali's. Half-D1 video (ye olde VHS) gets double-sized by the renderer, and then resized again when set to full screen. At least, I think it's resizing twice, because it looks aliased as hell, presumably the effect of bicubic's sharper resize. (Especially on low A values, almost looks like point sampling.)

Looks it like this maybe?

Bye

foxyshadis · 10th May 2006, 08:40

That's referring to the chroma interpolation? No, this is on the luma channel also. I guess that A=0 actually is point sampling, so that kind of makes sense now, and once I thought about it I realized that two bicubic resizes would actually look a lot better than a single huge jump from 320x240 to 1280x1024 anyway (just try it in photoshop, the more resize steps the nicer it looks, although it thickens edges). It's that one huge leap that looks so nasty. So letting ffdshow resize partway under a certain resolution is probably the best way anyway, if you can spare the cpu power.

Soulhunter · 10th May 2006, 09:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxyshadis

That's referring to the chroma interpolation?

No, wasnt about chroma interpolation, its some sort of "scaling bug" (jaggy edges) my old radeon produced when feeding RGB stuff with a horizontal resolution above 768 pix. to the overlay!

Bye

LoRd_MuldeR · 10th May 2006, 12:39

@Haali:

I can playback verious files with only one time initializing the Haali Renderer. This is possible in Gaph Edit. Just keep the renderer on the graph, add new video and connect to existing Renderer. This way I have the "freezing effect", that happens when Haali Renderer is initialized, only one time, and *not* each time I play a new file. A great improvement for me. So I think this should be possible with Players like MPC too, eh? So is it the Renderer itself or a the player that needs to be updatet to support that feture? And if it's the renderer, did you ever think about adding this feature?

KoD · 10th May 2006, 19:54

I have the same problem with waiting time during starting playback. It's a period in which the CPU is used at 100%. I'd say the length of the wait time is proportional with the CPU one has and not anything else. My 2.4 GHz P4 shows signs of its age.

I have a Radeon 9700Pro (so, even older than the 9800Pro) and no matter what Catalyst driver I have used since the haali renderer appeared, this problem happened all the time.

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Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	Works #1 on my X800XL 256MB. The more buffer I ask the more delay I get on start. @flanger216 The decoder work at top speed to fill the buffer before the display start. @All Any way to get overlay video mirroring on ATI? __________________ Detritus Software

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Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	@sillKotscha I don't have the .NET control panel. All I have is ATI Tray Tool. I did not find that option yet [edit] gonna get it __________________ Detritus Software Last edited by Sirber; 9th May 2006 at 02:51.

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Sirber retired developer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,978	setting the same as you now, still no overlay [edit] gonna extend desktop and fulslcreen manually then. no problem. __________________ Detritus Software Last edited by Sirber; 9th May 2006 at 03:08.

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LoRd_MuldeR Software Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Last House on Slunk Street Posts: 13,248	@Haali: I can playback verious files with only one time initializing the Haali Renderer. This is possible in Gaph Edit. Just keep the renderer on the graph, add new video and connect to existing Renderer. This way I have the "freezing effect", that happens when Haali Renderer is initialized, only one time, and not each time I play a new file. A great improvement for me. So I think this should be possible with Players like MPC too, eh? So is it the Renderer itself or a the player that needs to be updatet to support that feture? And if it's the renderer, did you ever think about adding this feature? __________________ Go to https://standforukraine.com/ to find legitimate Ukrainian Charities 🇺🇦✊

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LoopX3 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6	I have an ATI 9800 128MB (might not be Pro) and don't have any problems. There is no delay except for loading (~1-2 sec or less). Other comp specs: P4 2.6, WinXP SP2, DirectX (April 2006), ATI Catalyst 6.4

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Haali Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 282	Shaders are evaluated once for each destination pixel, so if you go fullscreen there is a lot more work to be done on the gpu. GPU drivers can wait for the gpu to complete rendering by spinning in a tight loop on a cpu, and this contributes to cpu use.

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futurex Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 155	i am still having a problem with playing dvd's with MPC + haali renderer. when i play the VOBs, or any file, it works fine. but when i open the dvd as a whole, mpc crashes after i try to seek dscaler as the decoder. all is well when i change to overlay/vmr. this happens wit every dvd

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foxyshadis Angel of Night Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tangled in the silks Posts: 9,559	I have a little weirdness with Haali's. Half-D1 video (ye olde VHS) gets double-sized by the renderer, and then resized again when set to full screen. At least, I think it's resizing twice, because it looks aliased as hell, presumably the effect of bicubic's sharper resize. (Especially on low A values, almost looks like point sampling.) (On the other hand, noticing finally got me to switch on ffdshow's resize. I don't suppose there's any way to do spline resize even partially in a shader...? So much better looking than normal kernel resizers.)

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Haali Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 282	No, resizing is done only once, but the size reported to the player is adjusted so the video fits the screen and is not too small.

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flanger216 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 140	I still have the bug in Zoom Player where enlarging the video past 'full screen' (with 4:3 letterboxed content, for instance) causes the screen to blank out to a black screen.

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B.F. Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Russia, Novosibirsk Posts: 92	Haali I had a GF6600 card and I had a 5 sec delay on the startup. Drivers ForceWare 84.25 And I think you need make this autoresizig thing optional.

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foxyshadis Angel of Night Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tangled in the silks Posts: 9,559	That's referring to the chroma interpolation? No, this is on the luma channel also. I guess that A=0 actually is point sampling, so that kind of makes sense now, and once I thought about it I realized that two bicubic resizes would actually look a lot better than a single huge jump from 320x240 to 1280x1024 anyway (just try it in photoshop, the more resize steps the nicer it looks, although it thickens edges). It's that one huge leap that looks so nasty. So letting ffdshow resize partway under a certain resolution is probably the best way anyway, if you can spare the cpu power.

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KoD Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 567	I have the same problem with waiting time during starting playback. It's a period in which the CPU is used at 100%. I'd say the length of the wait time is proportional with the CPU one has and not anything else. My 2.4 GHz P4 shows signs of its age. I have a Radeon 9700Pro (so, even older than the 9800Pro) and no matter what Catalyst driver I have used since the haali renderer appeared, this problem happened all the time.