Authoring BD5s for playing on the Panasonic DMP-BD35 - Page 8

alc0re · 30th March 2009, 16:03

bluray output is meant for when you burn this stuff to an actual recordable bluray disc. I'm not sure if its in this thread or not, but panasonic's bd-35 and a few other players from both panasonic and other companies will only play this content on a recordable dvd if its output in a specific way that makes the player think its an avchd disc. You could see what I mean if you download the clipinf editor tool from the same guy that does the clown bd program. You can actually use that tool to change at least one part of tsMuxer's output that identifies it as an avchd and change it to bluray or vice-versa. I wouldn't suggest you change it though if you want it to work, just a tool that you could use to see what I mean.

rack04 · 30th March 2009, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by alc0re

bluray output is meant for when you burn this stuff to an actual recordable bluray disc. I'm not sure if its in this thread or not, but panasonic's bd-35 and a few other players from both panasonic and other companies will only play this content on a recordable dvd if its output in a specific way that makes the player think its an avchd disc. You could see what I mean if you download the clipinf editor tool from the same guy that does the clown bd program. You can actually use that tool to change at least one part of tsMuxer's output that identifies it as an avchd and change it to bluray or vice-versa. I wouldn't suggest you change it though if you want it to work, just a tool that you could use to see what I mean.

When/why was this changed? Up until recently blu-ray output worked with my BD-35. Now I must select AVCHD.

MadMonkey57 · 30th March 2009, 19:04

In previous versions of tsmuxer, the "Blu Ray output" was actually an AVCHD/BD output.

Now, tsmuxer is capable of producing 2 outputs:

- "Blu Ray": 100% BD compliant, ment to be burnt on BD media (very few SAP will read the output on DVD media)
- "AVCHD": the usual AVCHD/BD stuff

MadMonkey57 · 30th March 2009, 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by deank

...
[x] First playback [Interactive] [2]
[x] Top Menu [1]

Title [1]: HDTV / Permitted / OID #0
---
ObjectID: (all with suspend/enabled/enabled for resume/menucall/titlesearch)

[000]
Play PL_MK 0,0
BREAK

[001]
Jump Title 1

[002]
SetStream $8001C001
Jump Title 0

Hey deank,

Just wanted to let you know that I tried this and it works like a charm. Thanks pal.

deank · 31st March 2009, 16:42

I'm glad.

I don't know if you noticed - there is a FW update (ver 1.4) for BD35/55 on Panasonic's web page:

More...

MadMonkey57 · 31st March 2009, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by deank

I'm glad.

I don't know if you noticed - there is a FW update (ver 1.4) for BD35/55 on Panasonic's web page:

More...

Thanks for the heads up!

alc0re · 1st April 2009, 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by deank

I'm glad.

I don't know if you noticed - there is a FW update (ver 1.4) for BD35/55 on Panasonic's web page:

More...

Notes state "BD-V Playability"

What is BD-V? (Sorry if that's a stupid question...sounds to me like BD-Video...but I still don't know what the firmware fixes/enhances.)

deank · 1st April 2009, 09:30

I can see that panasonic uses this way of saying that they addressed some problems with some commercial BD discs.

Previous updates are similar (for BD30):

Improvements
1. AVCHD and BD-V Playability
1. BD-V Playability
1. Playability and Stability
1. BD-V(24p) Playability
1. BD-V(PiP) Playability
2. HDMI Compatibility
3. Audio output level (Low Frequency Effect) improvement
1. BD-V Playability
2. DVD-RW Playability
1. Playability and Stability

rack04 · 10th August 2009, 02:31

I just tried to play a AVCHD that was authored using tsMuxeR 1.10.6. The 1280x720 h.264 stream was encoded using x264 --preset slower. I specified --level 4.1 which made the stream have ref=8. According to the profile this is an acceptable ref frame number. Has anyone has any problems playing 1280x720 with 8 ref frames? As far as I can tell that was the only difference in the encodes. The one with 5 ref frames works fine. Thanks.

deank · 10th August 2009, 10:17

Try to encode it with --trellis 0, --bframes 4 and may be it is a good idea to explicitly set --keyint to 24 (or 25... depends on your source).
This works just fine in Playstation3 (1280x720@23,976fps)

Quote:

Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=8 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3
:0x113 / me=hex / subme=5 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=12 /
chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=
0 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=4 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=
1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / wpredb=1 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / rc
_lookahead=24 / rc=cbr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=2435 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qp
min=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=30000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / ip_ratio=
1.10 / aq=1:1.00

rack04 · 10th August 2009, 13:42

This is the encoder settings for the video that will not play on my Panasonic BD-35:

Code:

cabac=1 / ref=8 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.0:0.2 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 /
chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=6 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 /
bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / rc_lookahead=24 /
rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3698 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 /
vbv_maxrate=24000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00

deank · 10th August 2009, 14:06

Can you 'paste' the x264 line so I can test directly?

rack04 · 10th August 2009, 14:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by deank

Can you 'paste' the x264 line so I can test directly?

Here is the .bat file that I used to encode.

In case you don't want the .bat file here is the pasted 1st and 2nd pass:

Code:

"%x264_PATH%" --preset slower --tune film --pass 1 --bitrate %VIDBITRATE% --stats "%SOURCE_FOLDER%\%SOURCE_FILENAME%.stats"
--level 4.1 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --no-fast-pskip --nal-hrd
--output NUL "%INPUT_VIDEO%" 2> "%SOURCE_FOLDER%\%SOURCE_FILENAME%-1pass.txt"

"%x264_PATH%" --preset slower --tune film --pass 2 --bitrate %VIDBITRATE% --stats "%SOURCE_FOLDER%\%SOURCE_FILENAME%.stats"
--level 4.1 --keyint 24 --min-keyint 1 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 24000 --no-fast-pskip --sar 1:1 --aud --nal-hrd
--output "%SOURCE_FOLDER%\%SOURCE_FILENAME%-output.h264" "%INPUT_VIDEO%" 2> "%SOURCE_FOLDER%\%SOURCE_FILENAME%-2pass.txt"

The source file that I used was 1920x1080 Battlestar Galactica Season 1 Disc 2 HD DVD resized to 1280x720 using DGVC1DecNV.

deank · 10th August 2009, 14:49

Encode is running now... I'll let you know in few minutes if it plays in my Playstation 3 (nothing else to test with

)

Dean

Code:

Video
Format                           : AVC
Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                   : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames        : 8 frames
Bit rate                         : 4 000 Kbps
Width                            : 1 280 pixels
Height                           : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 16/9
Frame rate                       : 23.976 fps
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Colorimetry                      : 4:2:0
Scan type                        : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.181
Writing library                  : x264 core 69 r1198 a1ed468
Encoding settings                : cabac=1 / ref=8 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0
x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.0:0.2 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16
 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offse
t=-3 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_ada
pt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 /
 rc_lookahead=24 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=4000 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60
 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=2400
0 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00

Quality is really nice... and it plays both in AVCHD/Blu-ray mode and in normal XMB file mode.
I used the raw 264, added audio and authored with multiAVCHD.

rack04 · 10th August 2009, 14:58

The reason that I think that it is the number of ref frames causing the problem is because using --preset slow works and --preset slower doesn't.

The only difference that I can see between these presets that may cause a problem is the number of ref frames.

Using --preset slower and --level 4.1 the number of reference frames for 1280x720 is decreased to 8.

Using --preset slow and --level 4.1 the number of reference frames for 1280x720 is held at 5.

Unless mbtree has something to do with standalone playback. The one I encoded that works used an older version of x264 and the one that doesn't uses the newest version with mbtree.

deank · 10th August 2009, 15:05

To rull out if ref is affecting your player you can try the same preset that you used but decrease ref to 7, then to 6 and finally to 5 and test each result - then you will know for sure

rack04 · 10th August 2009, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by deank

To rull out if ref is affecting your player you can try the same preset that you used but decrease ref to 7, then to 6 and finally to 5 and test each result - then you will know for sure

You're right. I encoded the same file 4 separate times varying from 5 ref frames to 8 ref frames. I authored a AVCHD using multiAVCHD that has a carousel menu to select each of the 4 files. I'll test when I get home and report back.

I have attached the ISO that I created for the ref frame test. If anyone has access to a Panasonic BD30 please burn the ISO to DVD+RW and test with your player. Thanks.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N0E5FD6H

Disclaimer: The ISO I have attached is of the open source film "Big Buck Bunny".

deank · 10th August 2009, 17:39

I just tested it in my Playstation 3:

All four titles with different ref settings play just fine with pristine quality!

Dean

davidcw · 10th August 2009, 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by rack04

You're right. I encoded the same file 4 separate times varying from 5 ref frames to 8 ref frames. I authored a AVCHD using multiAVCHD that has a carousel menu to select each of the 4 files. I'll test when I get home and report back.

I have attached the ISO that I created for the ref frame test. If anyone has access to a Panasonic BD30 please burn the ISO to DVD+RW and test with your player. Thanks.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=N0E5FD6H

Disclaimer: The ISO I have attached is of the open source film "Big Buck Bunny".

My DMP-BD30 freezes with 8 ref frames, but will play 7,6 and 5 ref frames.

davidcw

deank · 10th August 2009, 23:16

That's a good thing to know. If rack04 can create another .ISO with 1920x1080 with ref test 1 to 4 it will be great to know panasonic's boundaries.

31st March 2009, 16:42	#145 \| Link
deank Programmer (or just 教务长) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 4,251	I'm glad. I don't know if you noticed - there is a FW update (ver 1.4) for BD35/55 on Panasonic's web page: More... __________________ multiAVCHD - donate \| popBD \| uncropMKV \| mkv2avi \| easySUP Last edited by deank; 31st March 2009 at 16:45.

1st April 2009, 09:30	#148 \| Link
deank Programmer (or just 教务长) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 4,251	I can see that panasonic uses this way of saying that they addressed some problems with some commercial BD discs. Previous updates are similar (for BD30): Improvements 1. AVCHD and BD-V Playability 1. BD-V Playability 1. Playability and Stability 1. BD-V(24p) Playability 1. BD-V(PiP) Playability 2. HDMI Compatibility 3. Audio output level (Low Frequency Effect) improvement 1. BD-V Playability 2. DVD-RW Playability 1. Playability and Stability __________________ multiAVCHD - donate \| popBD \| uncropMKV \| mkv2avi \| easySUP

10th August 2009, 14:06	#152 \| Link
deank Programmer (or just 教务长) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 4,251	Can you 'paste' the x264 line so I can test directly? __________________ multiAVCHD - donate \| popBD \| uncropMKV \| mkv2avi \| easySUP

10th August 2009, 15:05	#156 \| Link
deank Programmer (or just 教务长) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 4,251	To rull out if ref is affecting your player you can try the same preset that you used but decrease ref to 7, then to 6 and finally to 5 and test each result - then you will know for sure __________________ multiAVCHD - donate \| popBD \| uncropMKV \| mkv2avi \| easySUP

10th August 2009, 17:39	#158 \| Link
deank Programmer (or just 教务长) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 4,251	I just tested it in my Playstation 3: All four titles with different ref settings play just fine with pristine quality! Dean __________________ multiAVCHD - donate \| popBD \| uncropMKV \| mkv2avi \| easySUP

30th March 2009, 16:03	#141 \| Link
alc0re Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 91	bluray output is meant for when you burn this stuff to an actual recordable bluray disc. I'm not sure if its in this thread or not, but panasonic's bd-35 and a few other players from both panasonic and other companies will only play this content on a recordable dvd if its output in a specific way that makes the player think its an avchd disc. You could see what I mean if you download the clipinf editor tool from the same guy that does the clown bd program. You can actually use that tool to change at least one part of tsMuxer's output that identifies it as an avchd and change it to bluray or vice-versa. I wouldn't suggest you change it though if you want it to work, just a tool that you could use to see what I mean.

30th March 2009, 19:04	#143 \| Link
MadMonkey57 Duh! Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 239	In previous versions of tsmuxer, the "Blu Ray output" was actually an AVCHD/BD output. Now, tsmuxer is capable of producing 2 outputs: - "Blu Ray": 100% BD compliant, ment to be burnt on BD media (very few SAP will read the output on DVD media) - "AVCHD": the usual AVCHD/BD stuff

10th August 2009, 02:31	#149 \| Link
rack04 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,538	I just tried to play a AVCHD that was authored using tsMuxeR 1.10.6. The 1280x720 h.264 stream was encoded using x264 --preset slower. I specified --level 4.1 which made the stream have ref=8. According to the profile this is an acceptable ref frame number. Has anyone has any problems playing 1280x720 with 8 ref frames? As far as I can tell that was the only difference in the encodes. The one with 5 ref frames works fine. Thanks.

10th August 2009, 14:58	#155 \| Link
rack04 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,538	The reason that I think that it is the number of ref frames causing the problem is because using --preset slow works and --preset slower doesn't. The only difference that I can see between these presets that may cause a problem is the number of ref frames. Using --preset slower and --level 4.1 the number of reference frames for 1280x720 is decreased to 8. Using --preset slow and --level 4.1 the number of reference frames for 1280x720 is held at 5. Unless mbtree has something to do with standalone playback. The one I encoded that works used an older version of x264 and the one that doesn't uses the newest version with mbtree.

10th August 2009, 23:16	#160 \| Link
deank Programmer (or just 教务长) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Valencia, Spain Posts: 4,251	That's a good thing to know. If rack04 can create another .ISO with 1920x1080 with ref test 1 to 4 it will be great to know panasonic's boundaries. __________________ multiAVCHD - donate \| popBD \| uncropMKV \| mkv2avi \| easySUP