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Old 20th March 2019, 19:30   #55421  |  Link
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i through this was the madVR thread and not the LG has well known processing issues thread.
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Old 20th March 2019, 19:55   #55422  |  Link
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Sorry for the off topic but in the oled specific threads on other forums there are almost zero pc users....

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Are you sure you are still in PC Mode when you tested ybcr444? .....
Yes I just double checked.
In pc-mode fullRGB looks terrible, limited RGB is better and ycbcr444 has the least amount of banding, similar to non-pc mode I'd say. Of course using the correct chain in each mode.

This doesn't really make sense but it is what it is. Maybe it's just a bug. LG doesn't seem to care much about pc-mode. Their oleds also were using the wrong color gamut when using HDR in pc-mode and that bug lasted from my 2016 C6 and was still present on the C8 when I got it but it got fixed at one point....

I've never seen the TV automatically switch between hdmi modes, how would a pc even be able to control that?

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j82k, did you test PC mode with RGB limited>full>limited? I've owned a few LGs and all did better with that chain, especially near-black.
Yes that was actually the configuration I used in non-pc mode recently and the first one I tested in pc-mode. It was better than a full full full chain but still worse than ycbcr444.

Maybe they fixed the 3:2 pulldown problem when outputting 24Hz in pc-mode with 04.10.31.
I'm absoluteley sure that last year when I tested this it couldn't do proper 5:5 cadence in pc-mode.

edit: I still have the measurements, here is a gif of "limited 8bit - full RGB 8bit - limited vs ycbcr444" in pc-mode. The better one being ycbcr444.
https://imgur.com/wZb0ppW

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Old 20th March 2019, 21:04   #55423  |  Link
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I wonder how RGB (both chains) stacks up against ycbcr in non-pc mode. But yeah all OT, maybe switch to the general madVR discussion thread.

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Old 20th March 2019, 21:23   #55424  |  Link
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just start one.
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Old 20th March 2019, 22:01   #55425  |  Link
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Just use the components (madVR, LAV Filters, a PCF.xml, your choice of any player(s), and an applicable .bat(s) if any) seamlessly with Kodi v.18.2 or any other version now or in the future. I simply install new Kodi builds/versions and leave the rest of the setup in place. Takes about 1 minute to upgrade from 17.1 to 18.2 for instance. I do nightlies everyday. Same with updating any of the other components should you desire to.
Yeah, well... if I wanted to use an external player I wouldn't have written what I wrote. I've been using Kodi for more than 14 years, I've gone through every Windows solution, including external players, it's not as if I do not know about them.
In any case, I've posted a $500 bounty on DSPlayer thread on Kodi.tv, for a perfectly working Kodi DSPlayer 18.2. If anybody wishes to join in the effort to attract a developer, feel free. I know it's not a lot of money but maybe, just maybe, merging changes from 18.2 to the current DSPlayer 17.6 will not be too hard. As I have no way of knowing, I couldn't think of anything else to do.

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Old 21st March 2019, 00:48   #55426  |  Link
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Is there something external players lack that DSPlayer doesn't because I experience the opposite.
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Old 21st March 2019, 03:26   #55427  |  Link
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A little confused about the Madvr Envy. At first, I thought, $200-300.

So in another thread, madshi said it's gonna cost -alot more- than an hd fury. Because internally, paraphrasing Madshi, the envy device MAY HAVE multiple components which each by themselves cost more than an hdfury device.

OK, let's say, low estimate of $600.. That's the price of an rtx 2080.

Is such a device going to have as much processing power as a mass market 2080 ?

Even coding super tight to hardware metal, Wouldn't it still make more sense to go HTPC w/ 2080, because the htpc-gpu will be much easier to expand and update ?
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Old 21st March 2019, 03:42   #55428  |  Link
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https://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php...ostcount=55037

he was very clear to me.
it has clear application where an HTPC is no option. and it's not hard for me to see these cases from an HTPC is to complicated to an HTPC has simply no access to it.

his advertisement could interpreted in a way that it can be used for HDR games.
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Old 21st March 2019, 04:24   #55429  |  Link
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I guess the Envy will probably be a professional video tool of sorts, rather than consumer playback aimed device.

Hrrrm..
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Old 21st March 2019, 08:47   #55430  |  Link
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You can always use a HTPC - for me the attraction is ease of use. I can use a Shield and plug it into the Envy and it'll just work. No freakin driver issues, worrying about passthrough working, windows updates etc. Just look at this thread when I mentioned the HDR passthrough was broken in recent Nvidia drivers. 3D lut will also attract projector users and those not wanting for fork out for software licenses for the 2019 auto-cal OLEDs

It'll also work with things like Netflix. I think I consume more than 50% of my HDR material on Netflix now which MadVR can't touch. You can get the 1080p Web-DL's sure, but not the 4k stuff.

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Old 21st March 2019, 09:41   #55431  |  Link
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guys, lets start a seperate madvr/LG OLED thread. I'm a madvr and LG C8 Oled user too and I'm very interested in the quality differences between pc mode and others modes...


Here it is:
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...58#post1869558
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Even coding super tight to hardware metal, Wouldn't it still make more sense to go HTPC w/ 2080, because the htpc-gpu will be much easier to expand and update ?
In my specific case, where I'm desperately seeking for a way to update Kodi DSPlayer to more recent builds... the prospect seem really interesting.
I currently am in a 1080p configuration. GTX660, 1080p plasma screen.
This year is most likely the year I'll switch to 4K OLED. I would need to change video card. Now, with a regular "HTPC approach" I would need to buy, say, at least a GTX 1060. And probably, to get the best out of madVR I might decide to fork out more money for a RTX2060.

If madVR Envy does what I hope it does, I might decide to buy a GTX 1030, for simple decoding purposes, and then offload all the video processing to Envy. Kodi does allow now for whitelisting resolutions and I could output unscaled and let madVR Envy handle everything.
madVR quality, Kodi updated builds, problem solved.
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Old 21st March 2019, 13:03   #55433  |  Link
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It depends really, I listened to all the advice and got a used perfect condition 1070 8GB for £205 from Ebay and the difference is amazing.

Maybe if people have lots of money, but we are talking about people spending £7k+ on projectors, so I am in a different league against that outlay for watching movies.
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Old 21st March 2019, 15:51   #55434  |  Link
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I guess the Envy will probably be a professional video tool of sorts, rather than consumer playback aimed device.
I didn't get the impression that professionals are the target customers. I think it'll be for consumers who have multi-thousand dollar home theater installations who wouldn't mind dropping another thousand or two on a madVR-quality rendering device. HTPCs clash with the room decor.
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Old 21st March 2019, 17:41   #55435  |  Link
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guys, lets start a seperate madvr/LG OLED thread. I'm a madvr and LG C8 Oled user too and I'm very interested in the quality differences between pc mode and others modes...


Here it is:
https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...58#post1869558
A general thread has been going for a while for these kind of discussions, opening a third thread might not be a good idea.

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=175769&page=18
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You can always use a HTPC - for me the attraction is ease of use. I can use a Shield and plug it into the Envy and it'll just work. No freakin driver issues, worrying about passthrough working, windows updates etc. Just look at this thread when I mentioned the HDR passthrough was broken in recent Nvidia drivers. 3D lut will also attract projector users and those not wanting for fork out for software licenses for the 2019 auto-cal OLEDs

It'll also work with things like Netflix. I think I consume more than 50% of my HDR material on Netflix now which MadVR can't touch. You can get the 1080p Web-DL's sure, but not the 4k stuff.


Netflix, I think, is a wash, since it only goes up to 10-25mbps for their 4K streams.

Even if we get the Envy to tonemap, it'd be polishing a p00p.

PC-source side, this will always be the most stable, because Nvidia/AMD hardware are very well validated, and produce fairly uniform outputs, and if something goes wrong, it's testable and moddable.

Disc Player Hardware, they're unmoddable, a bit more unpredictable, and won't ever have the accuracy of madvr even with envy in the loop.

The Envy is not-Not-useful, it certainly is useful for various scenarios, but if we're after BEST QUALITY + ease of Improvements, we simply can't cut the PC out of the loop.

(And if that's the case), how does cost/ benefit ratio work out with another $600 device ontop of an ~$800 PC.


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This is of course all in the perspective of a Playback consumer device.

It seems more likely from Madshi's language that Envy may be a pro-tool, which would plug into other pro-tools which have been calibrated to reference.
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A madVR 3DLUT I could put between my PC and my TV to calibrate absolutely everything would be very nice. If it could then notice when I was using madVR and disable itself it would be ideal.
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A madVR 3DLUT I could put between my PC and my TV to calibrate absolutely everything would be very nice. If it could then notice when I was using madVR and disable itself it would be ideal.
That was my original hope as well. a 4K 65^3 lut box for ~$200
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Netflix, I think, is a wash, since it only goes up to 10-25mbps for their 4K streams.

Even if we get the Envy to tonemap, it'd be polishing a p00p.

PC-source side, this will always be the most stable, because Nvidia/AMD hardware are very well validated, and produce fairly uniform outputs, and if something goes wrong, it's testable and moddable.
I'm very happy with Netflix HDR/Dolby Vision. They consistently have the best HDR I've ever seen. Sabrina, for example, looked phenomenal. Their creators really know how to use HDR well. The bitrate could be higher, but what I care about is content I can enjoy in the best quality. MadVR Envy will enable this on my x9000. I have no way of watching Netflix HDR on my projector in good quality currently. If there was no Widevine it'd be easy!

Other benefit a 3D LUT on every source.

My experience has been different to yours with HTPC - now I'm setup it's working fine and I know to keep my drivers rolled back, disable windows update etc. but it was a long learning curve of around 2 weeks of tinkering. It was pretty frustrating.
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I'm very happy with Netflix HDR/Dolby Vision.
I may be missing the point here, but the only way I can get HDR on Netflix is to either use the TV App, or use Windows 10 HDR which obviously trashes the desktop.

So how is an Envy going to fix that ?
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