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Old 1st June 2018, 00:32   #51101  |  Link
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read what reclock is...

it will be different on any PC anyway.
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Old 1st June 2018, 09:20   #51102  |  Link
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Just a short comment while still having piles of commercial work on my desk:

Thanks to my great Nvidia driver contact, I managed to get a fix for 1080p23 timings into newer driver versions. So stock 1080p23 timings should be much better now with newer drivers, probably also for 3D. I know, the newest drivers come with their own problems, so many are still using older driver versions. But JFYI...
Thank, you for this great news.
Can you please tell us in which driver version this fix will be included?

Thank you
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Old 1st June 2018, 09:35   #51103  |  Link
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Thank, you for this great news.
Can you please tell us in which driver version this fix will be included?
I have already reported that 397.93 brings a significant improvement for 3D vs previous versions. In 1080p23 3D, I get a frame repeat every 13 minutes vs one frame repeat every 3 minutes with previous drivers. I haven’t tested 1080p 2D as I have no use for it, but improvements might be there too. There might be further improvements in future drivers.
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Old 1st June 2018, 09:49   #51104  |  Link
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I have already reported that 397.93 brings a significant improvement for 3D vs previous versions. In 1080p24 3D, I get a frame repeat every 13 minutes vs one frame repeat every 3 minutes with previous drivers. I haven’t tested 1080p 2D as I have no use for it, but improvements might be there too. There might be further improvements in future drivers.
thx for the hint.
will try the 397.93 driver.
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Old 1st June 2018, 09:53   #51105  |  Link
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I have already reported that 397.93 brings a significant improvement for 3D vs previous versions. In 1080p24 3D, I get a frame repeat every 13 minutes vs one frame repeat every 3 minutes with previous drivers. I haven’t tested 1080p 2D as I have no use for it, but improvements might be there too. There might be further improvements in future drivers.
Is there such a thing as 2D and 3D settings for drivers, as after I got good figures to setup Nvidia custom res, both work the same for me. Not bragging just didn't know they were different.

Only tried it with a HSBS Mkv so I am maybe missing something.
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Old 1st June 2018, 10:07   #51106  |  Link
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Is there such a thing as 2D and 3D settings for drivers, as after I got good figures to setup Nvidia custom res, both work the same for me. Not bragging just didn't know they were different.

Only tried it with a HSBS Mkv so I am maybe missing something.
I'm talking specifically about 3D framed packed, which is a different video mode (1080p23FP). If you use T/B or SbS, then it's the same video mode as 1080p 2D (but it's not full res 1080p 3D, only half res).

I didn't test 1080p23 2D because I never use it, I upscale everything to 4K23 and I get 1 frame drop every hour with MadVR custom refresh rate with all drivers versions, so happy with that.
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Old 1st June 2018, 10:50   #51107  |  Link
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I'm talking specifically about 3D framed packed, which is a different video mode (1080p23FP). If you use T/B or SbS, then it's the same video mode as 1080p 2D (but it's not full res 1080p 3D, only half res).

I didn't test 1080p23 2D because I never use it, I upscale everything to 4K23 and I get 1 frame drop every hour with MadVR custom refresh rate with all drivers versions, so happy with that.
Ah makes sense.

Well this is what fixed my refresh rates, and I tried every driver etc.

https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/how-...-nvidia.72844/
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Old 1st June 2018, 12:18   #51108  |  Link
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Ah makes sense.

Well this is what fixed my refresh rates, and I tried every driver etc.

https://forum.redfox.bz/threads/how-...-nvidia.72844/
This doesn’t work for 1080p23FP. NVidia’s control panel custom res and CRU don’t work in 3D modes.

In 2D, I get very good results with 4K23p and MadVR’s custom refresh rate, so there is nothing to fix. You should report if native 1080p23 (2D) is improved in 397.93, it might be.
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see attached the beginning of the discussion :
It is NOT the beginning of discussion.
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Old 1st June 2018, 12:52   #51110  |  Link
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This doesn’t work for 1080p23FP. NVidia’s control panel custom res and CRU don’t work in 3D modes.

In 2D, I get very good results with 4K23p and MadVR’s custom refresh rate, so there is nothing to fix. You should report if native 1080p23 (2D) is improved in 397.93, it might be.
I was getting audio drop outs with the latest, also Madshis statement and the age of the new driver, plus no mention of any fixes for 23.976 in the release notes tell me it has not been implemented yet.

I am pretty sure it goes to 23,970 as they all do, and I think the custom was not saving, anyway I gave up and went back to 390,77 which worked out better for me. I also am unsure how Nvidia could fix the driver when all clocks have to be taken into consideration, hence how madVRs custom and a tweaked Nvidias one can work, as we know seeing a 23.976 dead in framerate does not mean you will not get frame drops.
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plus no mention of any fixes for 23.976 in the release notes tell me it has not been implemented yet.
Such things don't necessarily make it into changelogs.
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Such things don't necessarily make it into changelogs.
Nobody likes to show his/her previous mistakes
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Old 1st June 2018, 13:12   #51113  |  Link
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Nobody likes to show his/her previous mistakes

Haha very true. If only there was such a thing as a cutdown HTPC driver, I remember when you used to get modified drivers years ago.

If only....

But you would think that something that has been broken so long and mentioned numerous times over the years on their forums would warrant a bit of fanfare, I think it may be trickier than a 1 fix for all so maybe not something that would get shouted about.

Most of the forum is about games crashing rather than frame rates nowadays though.
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I was getting audio drop outs with the latest, also Madshis statement and the age of the new driver, plus no mention of any fixes for 23.976 in the release notes tell me it has not been implemented yet.
As I said, although there was significant improvement in 397.93 in 1080p23FP compared to previous drivers, there might be further improvements to come in future drivers. Madshi didn't say that he had *just* talked to his contact, and 397.93 is only one week old.

Audio dropouts have nothing to do with this. The refresh rate will cause video frames to be dropped/repeated if not close enough. If you have audio drops in native 1080p23 refresh rate, something else is seriously wrong in your config.

Anyway, you asked for some information, I provided some, so let's move on if you don't want to test for yourself. I'm sure someone who does use 1080p23 (2D) will test and report if there are improvements or not in 397.23. I wouldn't know as I haven't tested previous drivers for this, so I can't compare.

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Such things don't necessarily make it into changelogs.
Exactly

The significant 1080p23FP improvement certainly didn't.
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Old 1st June 2018, 15:35   #51115  |  Link
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As I said, although there was significant improvement in 397.93 in 1080p23FP compared to previous drivers, there might be further improvements to come in future drivers. Madshi didn't say that he had *just* talked to his contact, and 397.93 is only one week old.

Audio dropouts have nothing to do with this. The refresh rate will cause video frames to be dropped/repeated if not close enough. If you have audio drops in native 1080p23 refresh rate, something else is seriously wrong in your config.

Anyway, you asked for some information, I provided some, so let's move on if you don't want to test for yourself. I'm sure someone who does use 1080p23 (2D) will test and report if there are improvements or not in 397.23. I wouldn't know as I haven't tested previous drivers for this, so I can't compare.



Exactly

The significant 1080p23FP improvement certainly didn't.

I obviously did try it myself when it came out days ago. The audio drop outs are due to the driver, no need to be so rude. Also if you did change to the new drivers, you surely had to create a new custom one yourself ?

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...omment=5355083

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Well, in the end I disabled the this device is calibrated and I believe I prefer this way.

I have one more question, when using NGU you have anti alias, soft, standard and sharp.
Is it correct to assume that NGU Anti-Alias is the less demanding option and NGU sharp is the most demanding one?

I mean are those related to picture quality? NGU Anti alias will give the "worst" (in quotes because as I can see the result is really good) and NGU sharp will give you the best one?

I'm using NGU standard because it seems more natural.

Also would that be considered true for the chroma upscaling.
I'm using starnd very high quality.
Is sharp very high quality more demanding?
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Well, in the end I disabled the this device is calibrated and I believe I prefer this way.

I have one more question, when using NGU you have anti alias, soft, standard and sharp.
Is it correct to assume that NGU Anti-Alias is the less demanding option and NGU sharp is the most demanding one?

I mean are those related to picture quality? NGU Anti alias will give the "worst" (in quotes because as I can see the result is really good) and NGU sharp will give you the best one?

I'm using NGU standard because it seems more natural.

Also would that be considered true for the chroma upscaling.
I'm using starnd very high quality.
Is sharp very high quality more demanding?
Some good info in both these threads. Apologies if you have seen them already.

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...958#pid2238958

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=171787
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Afternoon folks,

There's something I've been meaning to ask that's probably a stupid question, but does anyone know what the difference between setting 'disable calibration controls for this display' vs 'this display is already calibrated' ?

If I've already calibrated my display then I'm not quite sure what the purpose of the second option is?

EDIT:

My bad, I think I've already worked it out. 'Disable calibration' presumes a pure power curve of 2.2 as opposed to 'this display is already calibrated' which allows me to set the curve which in my case will be 2.4 for a BT1886 set up.

Have I got that right?

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Afternoon folks,

There's something I've been meaning to ask that's probably a stupid question, but does anyone know what the difference between setting 'disable calibration controls for this display' vs 'this display is already calibrated' ?

If I've already calibrated my display then I'm not quite sure what the purpose of the second option is?

EDIT:

My bad, I think I've already worked it out. 'Disable calibration' presumes a pure power curve of 2.2 as opposed to 'this display is already calibrated' which allows me to set the curve which in my case will be 2.4 for a BT1886 set up.

Have I got that right?
Disable calibration defaults to BT.709 with a pure power curve 2.20. The gamma setting is only important if you enabled gamma processing. Most people are watching SDR content at BT.709, so this choice is not overly important.
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