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Old 24th April 2004, 15:08   #41  |  Link
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A geek friend of mine had a similar reaction. He also thought it was pretty cool.
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Old 24th April 2004, 15:53   #42  |  Link
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ECL errors

No luck getting this going yet.

Keep getting the following error in CCE:

i:\dvd-rip\d2vavs\farm_chunk0001.ecl is not a ECL for Cinema Craft Encoder SP

Is this possibly caused by the .ecl extension being lower case?


These are my rbfarm paths:
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i:\dvd-rip\d2vavs\
d:\program files\dvd-rip\eclcce\eclcce.exe

The contents of my eclcce.ini file:
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[EclCCE]
CCE=D:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe

The contents of farm_chunk0001.ecl
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[item]
title=V01000000001001
aud_out=0
vaf_file=I:\DVD-RIP\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.vaf
aud_file=I:\DVD-RIP\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=576
frame_rate_idx=3
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=6253
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=0
dvd=1
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
aspect_ratio=3
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gop_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=0
alternate_scan=1
intra_dc_prec=2
encode_mode=0
vmode=2
fast_mode=0
quality_prec=24
vid_file0=I:\DVD-RIP\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.m2v
vid_file1=I:\DVD-RIP\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.m2v
vid_out=1
vaf_out=1
video_type=4
timecode=0x0000000
opv_q_factor=20
opv_brate_min=0
opv_brate_max=9000
vbr_bias=25
vbr_pass=4
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
non_linear=1
top_first=0
mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=1

[file]
name=I:\DVD-RIP\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.avs
frame_first=0
frame_last=12562
encode_first=0
encode_last=12562

Hope someone can help.
Am very excited about this program.

regards b1m1
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Old 24th April 2004, 16:00   #43  |  Link
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My original guess was you could achieve a combined CCE 10x on a 100megabit LAN. If each PC is running at 2x, this would be 5 PCs.
You forget one thing. You can put two 100mbit lan cards into the server pc, pull out one RJ45 to two separate 100mbit switches, and divide the node PCs to two groups for each switch. This way you not only get dedicated 100mbit for each group, but the (low cost) switches are better off not having to serve as much traffic

But theoretically you can calculate that the max bandwidth of a DVD is 1mbit, and lets say the returning encoded video is 0.4mbit (4000kbit). So on a PC that does 2X in CCE you suck out 2mbit and return 0.8mbit, and add some room for overhead bandwidth you can say its 3mbit per PC. A 100mbit network can, in reality, do about 50mbit per direction on low cost adapters. That leaves room for 16 PC's of 2X caliber.

Today I'm testing how much encoding on the serving PC hurts the network performance. As CCE seems to run like a High Priority program (everything else stands still for seconds) eventhough it is in normal priority.
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Old 24th April 2004, 16:07   #44  |  Link
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@b1ackmai1er
I believe this happens when you run the prepare phase of DVD RB with something other than options->cce options->cce sp (2.66+)

For instance if you have cce basic selected you'll get this error. You should also get this error if you try to drag and drop rebuilder.ecl into CCE.

Also make sure you have the latest eclcce.
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Old 24th April 2004, 16:19   #45  |  Link
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But theoretically you can calculate that the max bandwidth of a DVD is 1mbit, and lets say the returning encoded video is 0.4mbit (4000kbit). So on a PC that does 2X in CCE you suck out 2mbit and
I don't know if theory works out in practice. I based my figures on my network bandwidth meter. It shows me pulling around 10megabit from the server when encoding at 1x. This is about 10% capacity of my 10/100 LAN. The return stream is much less, around .5megabit.

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Old 24th April 2004, 16:21   #46  |  Link
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Results:

I used an XP2100+ PC with WinXP and 1GB of DDR333 RAM, and two physical 7200rpm drives to serve the source and d2vavs. Then an AMD64 3200+ to encode off that PC. When the server is not encoding the AMD64 encodes at 100% CPU usage, but when the server is also encoding the AMD64 usage graph fluctuates from the low 40% to around 90% constantly.

This leads me to think it would be best to serve on the slowest (400-900mhz) PC on the network with a decent HD, or if available, dedicate a faster PC just for serving. Dedicated serving can get the final edge out of RBFarm.

quantum: is there a low priority switch for CCE or ECLCCE? That might help the serving PC keep up with the underlying tasks.
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Old 24th April 2004, 16:25   #47  |  Link
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RB Farm and CCE 2.50

Hi Quantum,

Thanks for such a quick reply.

Yes I am using CCE 2.50 and have set Rebuilder to use it using ECLCCE 1.8b. This combination works fine for rebuilder.

I am confused. Are you saying that I cannot use this version with RBfarm?

My understanding was that the whole purpose of the ECLCCE was to make versions such as 2.50 work with ECL files, otherwise there would be no need to specify the ECLCCE path and we would be running CCE directly with each farm.ecl file.

Are you able to clarify that for me?

Thanks again.

Regards b1m1.
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Old 24th April 2004, 16:27   #48  |  Link
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quantum: is there a low priority switch for CCE or ECLCCE? That might help the serving PC keep up with the underlying tasks.
Yes, run eclcce (which will launch CCE),

help->about->eclcce tab
CCE Process Priority->idle

You can also change it manually in the eclcce.ini file.
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Old 24th April 2004, 16:33   #49  |  Link
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Yes, run eclcce (which will launch CCE),

help->about->eclcce tab
CCE Process Priority->idle

You can also change it manually in the eclcce.ini file.
Excellent! I never noticed that tab (RTFM!)

Well that seems to do it. The server is still doing 100% and the AMD64 is doing 100% as before. Now the 3-8% of CPU usage the server had from the others using its resources gets done FIRST and not last.

This might be a semi-important note for optimizing your RBFarm people
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Old 24th April 2004, 16:51   #50  |  Link
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CCE for 1st pass

Yes Quantum you are right!

I had RBfarm set to Rejig for preparation pass.

Will try again.

Damn I promised my wife I would be in bed before midnight tonight

Thanks b1m1
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Old 24th April 2004, 17:11   #51  |  Link
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I don't think it will work with 2.50 yet, but I think I know what the problem is.

I'll post an update soon.
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Old 24th April 2004, 17:20   #52  |  Link
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I updated the link on page 1 to version 1.1. This should allow CCE SP 2.50 to work with RB Farm. The way I was parsing the rebuilder.ecl file worked with CCE 2.66+ but not with 2.50. It should work with both versions now.

I still don't think it will work with CCE Basic, but I don't know for sure.

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Old 24th April 2004, 23:09   #53  |  Link
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For some reason this seems like it's moving insanely fast for my encodes.

I've got a 3 pass CCE job going, but the process to encode doesn't seem like it's doing anything. It just does the first pass extremely fast, then the second, then third.

I did the prepare process on one PC, and have that drive mapped to Z:

RB's paths are the folllowing:
The source is Z:\JurassicPark
The Destination is ZVDWRKDIR

For DVD RB Farm:

On PC ONE

D2VAVS Path: ZVDWRKDIR\D2VAVS
ECLCCE path: C:\Program Files\ECLCCE\eclcce.exe

On PC TWO

D2VAVS Path: ZVDWRKDIR\D2VAVS
ECLCCE path: C:\Program Files\ECLCCE\eclcce.exe

Is there anything else I'm missing?
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Old 24th April 2004, 23:14   #54  |  Link
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The source is Z:\JurassicPark
The Destination is Z: DVDWRKDIR

You forgot to add a \ after Z:\DVDWRKDIR?

edit: and make sure you have latest avisynth installed and the mpeg2decdg.dll copied to its plugins dir (or the same dir specified insider dvd-rb if you used it).

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Old 25th April 2004, 00:26   #55  |  Link
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RB Farm troubleshooting 101:

- Ensure you can encode correctly with DVD Rebuilder on the main PC.
- Ensure you can encode correctly with RB Farm on the main PC.
- Start, then abort an encode using DVB Rebuilder on the main PC. On secondary PCs, ensure you can open item.ecl and encode using eclcce.

If you can do these things, you should have no problems.
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Old 25th April 2004, 03:58   #56  |  Link
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CCE 2.50 issues

Hi Quantum,

I am just about to download 1.1 and give that a try.

What I did find this morning is that if I try to load a farm.ecl file manually using CCE started with ECLCCE then I would get the same error as described previously.

However if I modified the farm.ecl file by putting the comments (; from REBUILDER.ECL at the top of file then it would load without error.

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Old 25th April 2004, 10:56   #57  |  Link
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2.50 issues

Hi Quantum,

Just confirming that RB farm 1.1 works fine with CCE 2.50 (+ECLCCE1.81).

This is a dream come true.

Thanks b1m1
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Old 25th April 2004, 16:48   #58  |  Link
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Thanks a lot for this tool, it worked really good for me cutting encoding time by half (2 pc used).
Hope it will be integrated in dvd-rb !
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Old 25th April 2004, 18:45   #59  |  Link
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I completed a very rudimentary prototype. It works but it's too basic to post and I expect problems so I'd like to get an email correspondence going with testers to avoid cluttering up jdobbs forum.

@EddieTH I sent you a copy via email.
@Joergen I sent you a PM with the location and details.

Anyone else interested in testing this PM me (preferrably with an email address) and I'll send you a copy.
@quantum
Can psexec.exe (or simular) be used in future version of RB farm?
So you can start and control remote process remotely from one PC running RB farm app.

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Is there any chance for a version with CCE Basic support?
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