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Old 24th June 2019, 23:06   #401  |  Link
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I have filed a feature suggestion to MS Feedback Hub for adding a 'audio-only display output' feature to Windows (could be useful for HTPCs). Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://aka.ms/AA5emb3
Thanks. I was thinking about filing a "phantom display" request but I figured it would be pointless (some generic tech support guy would simply tell me it's either impossible or non-standard/compliant, whatever - with no way to argue about it any further).

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Old 25th June 2019, 00:11   #402  |  Link
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Hi!

Maybe I'm a noob but I still have stuttering on 430.xx drivers my my RTX. For me last working driver is 418.91...
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Finally got my 2070 back today. nVidia replaced it with a shiny new one. Thanks, nVidia!! Anyway, I had to reinstall Windows 10 several times while troubleshooting the card. Now that I have the card back, I pulled the 1060 and dropped the 2070 in there without even doing a driver reinstall. No stuttering at all. However, what i DID do after my last Windows reinstall with the 1060 is replace the DCH driver with the standard driver. On a clean Windows install this is somewhat of a pain in the ass. My anecdotal non-scientific could be total nonsense evidence seems to point to the DCH driver as being the culprit in this case. I manually set Power and Vertical Sync to adaptive as my two settings changes. I've NO idea if this will help you, but, it's all I got. If you want to know the nightmarish kind of process used to whack the DCH driver and replace it with standard, see here:

https://www.techpowerup.com/250415/p...-how-to-fix-it

Good luck if you do go down this path. I'd be curious what your results are because as I said, I don't have the stuttering and this is what I did.
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Old 28th June 2019, 09:38   #403  |  Link
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Thanks for your answer SamuriHL.

I looked at your link and I tried to remove DCH driver but it was not in Regedit - so for me the issue is coming from this.

I tried also to remove completly the driver and reinstall it. It works 2 days but now it's NOK again (like if Windows has made something in Nvidia's driver Back...).

I tried again to desinstall 430 and reinstall it -> NOK

So I'm back to 418, the only one which works for me
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Old 28th June 2019, 22:37   #405  |  Link
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Don't feel bad, I've got the stuttering again, too, so, clearly my idea of using the standard driver did not help. Nothing really changed on the box since I put the card in on Monday, and then last night I was doing some testing and played a movie and it's stuttering like crazy. I spent an hour or so on various potential solutions to no avail. I'm not sure what my next step is going to be. We're not alone in this issue, though. There are hundreds of posts about stuttering in games that have the EXACT same symptoms that we have in madvr. nVidia and/or MS needs to step up and fix this damn issue. I suspect Windows as being the culprit.
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Old 28th June 2019, 22:41   #406  |  Link
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If you can find the post about games stuttering, you should post a link here. Many who have stuttering probably want to know that some setting in madVR or the Nvidia Control Panel isn't causing it.
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A quick google of "RTX stuttering" is all you need to find literally dozens of threads like these:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...ames-rtx-2080/

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...oss-all-games/

https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...ll-games-wtf-/

Well, you get the point. There are more topics on that forum and plenty of other forums that also have topics on it. Some drivers appear to be better than others which mirrors what we've found for madvr, as well. In fact, the whole ordeal mirrors what we've found for madvr which isn't surprising. I spent quite a bit of time combing through the threads to find potential fixes but none of them helped me.
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Old 29th June 2019, 00:03   #408  |  Link
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Here's what I can tell you definitively....and the majority of RTX owners are NOT going to like this one damn bit. (Irrelevant side note, I went back to the DCH driver just because but it doesn't make any difference). If you want to completely eliminate the stuttering, it's super simple to do, but, the fix is not awesome. Disable use Direct3D 11 for presentation in the madvr general settings page. That will indeed make the stuttering issue go away. But, ummmm, yeaaaaa.
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Old 29th June 2019, 02:03   #409  |  Link
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sounds terrible to so user can use the superior d3d9 overlay.
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Old 29th June 2019, 02:50   #410  |  Link
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Unless you feel you require 10 bit D3D9 is the same quality. DX9 windowed overlay is a reasonable workaround for me for now. No quality is lost v.s. 8 bit D3D11 but overlay does artifact when moved or started/stopped sometimes, at least for me.

Still, Windows 10 and GPU driver interactions have not been great for a while now. Behavior keeps changing and with many bugs and regressions.
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I agree. And yes those that want 10 bit will have to continue screwing around with d3d11. 10 bit causes banding for a lot of us ANYWAY, so, it's a feasible workaround for now. And to be clear for those that might be somewhat confused, this ONLY affects that setting in madvr. You can still use d3d11 decoding in lav.
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Does changing the power saving setting to Max Performance change anything to the amount/frequency of the stuttering?
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It didn't for me, no.
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I just finished watching a whole movie with D3D11 disabled in madvr settings and it was smooth as butter. Yes, you lose 10 bit. No you won't notice with madvr's excellent dithering. Quality is fantastic. Love being able to crank up a few things with the 2070 that I couldn't with the 1060 and still have lots of room to spare. I was running around 24ms for an HDR movie using madvr test build's tone mapping outputting HDR at 750 target nits.

In any case, if you have an RTX card and don't want to revert to drivers that don't output proper metadata and are suffering from stuttering, turn off d3d11. It works great.
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Ive been saying that Shit for months since I got the 2070. Nice to know Nvidia is looking into it...uh huh. WOW not a peep from them u say??? Funny to see people still complaining about it, come on here every few weeks or so and still no fix, should march Nvidia down the road naked while all the peasants throw stuff at them and Lisa Sue repeats Shame shame shame
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Lol. I can understand them not caring about the htpc community. I don't like it but I get it. However, the fact that it impacts so many gamers and still isn't fixed is truly frightening and leads me to believe it's not on nvidia to fix. I suspect this is a directx issue that ms needs to take care of. Which would explain why we're still seeing it some 9 months later.

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if pscal is free of this why would MS be the problem it's just unlikely.
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For stuttering issue of RTX cards can you please summarize what exactly to disable and probably enablely in madVR and/or Media Player to avoid stutter and what advantages and disadvantages the user gets when (s)he use that settings.
Also the driver version seems to be relevant, since 418.XX is fine?
I add that info in the first post.
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You can search my posts. But for me set frames presented in advance to 1. Drawback could result in audio out of sync, but usually works for me and get no stutter.
No driver is "fine".


I am not sure this is MS DX fault. It is very interesting that a clean install of the driver can get rid of the stutter but eventually comes back! Regardless, Nvidia and MS work together but not sure they are doing anything nor looking into it, at least it feels like theyre not.

I wonder if the new Super cards are gonna be contaminated with the issue? Time will tell.
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For stuttering issue of RTX cards can you please summarize what exactly to disable and probably enablely in madVR and/or Media Player to avoid stutter and what advantages and disadvantages the user gets when (s)he use that settings.
Also the driver version seems to be relevant, since 418.XX is fine?
I add that info in the first post.
these are different from user to user from nothing helps not even d3d9 overlay to power/vsync settings and that's it and there are even user with no problem at all.
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