Announcing DVDSubEdit Version 1.51 - Page 23

Sir Didymus · 6th June 2006, 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by kumi

Wow, I would be very grateful for an Add Fade function

Want to second the vote for an add fade function...

Jeanl, very very nice application your DVDSubEdit !!!

Cheers,
SD

jeanl · 6th June 2006, 07:55

You guys will have to give me some time!

jeanl

mpucoder · 6th June 2006, 08:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by kumi

If used with a light touch, i.e. 3ms fadein + 5ms fadeout

I'm not clear on what this means, as one frame is either 33ms or 40ms long depending on tv system, how can a fade be done in less than one frame? Or does this refer to the time between steps? Since there are 15 steps would this mean an overall fadein of 45ms and fadeout of 75ms?

Sir Didymus · 6th June 2006, 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpucoder

@SD - the first sub in that sup file does not have a stop command (did not check any further) - so none of these programs can make a valid sst from subs without stop commands!?

That's true, and that's the reason I thought President was facing some similar troubles with another title: it seems to me that the reauthoring using such type of sub assets can only be performed based on the vobs (i.e. with the integrated demuxer of muxman

) or based on the stream as is, straight demuxed in the sup format, and authored by applications supporting this compiled format.

No modification seems possible at all to the picture contents, apart by using DVDSubEdit, since, apparently, with this type of asset no program can make a valid sst from subs without stop commands.

Even with formats different from sst the problem of automatically decompiling such type of assets seems unsolved: tryed for example the usage of the very basic DVD SupTools (DVDSupDecode + DVDSupEncode), that fails too in this case...

Well, thanks for the references to the sst format...

Hem, to say the truth I have read the page you pointed out at least three other times...

So, sigh, let me go reading it again...

Hopefully this time I will not miss some important points...

SD

CoNS · 6th June 2006, 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Didymus

Want to second the vote for an add fade function...

I'm for a remove fade function! Don't like those fading subs!!

President · 6th June 2006, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanl

President, you can post a small snipped of your subs for us to look at.
jeanl

Uploaded .sup and appropriate .ifo (for original colors) here:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22341335/Wimb.zip.html (436 kb).

Thank's jeanl and mpucoder. But... one thing. May be it's a not subtitles bug. Today I watch this movie on PowerDVD 6.0. All is Ok. Flashing appear in PowerDVD 7.0 only. Who is right? I don't know. Maybe you helps me. I can't uploading a big files like VOB. Maybe you can detect an error by .sup file only.

President · 6th June 2006, 11:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoNS

I'm for a remove fade function! Don't like those fading subs!!

For remove a fade effect just choose "All DCSQTs" in DVDSubEdit and set it transparency (p, e1, e2) to max (15). Apply last modification to all. Save all modification. That's all. Fade was killed:-). Extremely fast operation:-).

mpucoder · 6th June 2006, 16:29

This is what I get as the interpretation of the first sub

Code:

time	commands
  0	set_color 1023
00:00	set_contr 3330
	set_darea 0,719,2,574
	set_dspxa 0x0006,0x04c1
	sta_dsp
	cmd_end

  3	set_color 1023
00:01	set_contr 6660
	cmd_end

  7	set_color 1023
00:02	set_contr 9990
	cmd_end

 10	set_color 1023
00:03	set_contr ccc0
	cmd_end

 14	set_color 1023
00:04	set_contr fff0
	cmd_end

119	set_color 1023
01:09	set_contr ccc0
	cmd_end

123	set_color 1023
01:10	set_contr 9990
	cmd_end

126	set_color 1023
01:11	set_contr 6660
	cmd_end

130	set_color 1023
01:12	set_contr 3330
	cmd_end

133	set_color 1023
01:13	set_contr 0000
	stp_dsp
	cmd_end

And I don't see a problem with this, the last DCSQT sets the contrast to transparent and stops the display, so it looks like a bug in the software player.

edit: the time column contains the stm value first (clock ticks/1024) and then ss:ff

kumi · 6th June 2006, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpucoder

I'm not clear on what this means, as one frame is either 33ms or 40ms long depending on tv system, how can a fade be done in less than one frame? Or does this refer to the time between steps? Since there are 15 steps would this mean an overall fadein of 45ms and fadeout of 75ms?

Oops. I meant to write "3-frame fadein + 5-frame fadeout". DVDMaestro's GUI labels the Fade edit fields as "frms"... Somehow that made my wires cross, and it came out as "ms".

I should vow to stop posting in the wee hours of the morning...

mpucoder · 6th June 2006, 17:58

I see, so what President has in the above would be a 5 frame fade (in and out)?

jeanl · 6th June 2006, 18:26

This suggests a very simple UI for adding a fade-in/out:
- Two check boxes for fade in and fade out
- Number of frames for fade-in
- Number of frames for fade-out
- Perhaps a button to remove the fades in one shot.

and of course, the traditional "apply to all"...

I suspect going linearly may not be the best way to do it. mpucoder, do you know if the transparency encoding in SPUs is somewhat "perceptual" (i.e., if you go linear, you'll get a nice even fade in/out)?
Jeanl

kumi · 6th June 2006, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpucoder

I see, so what President has in the above would be a 5 frame fade (in and out)?

Yes, that looks exactly like a 5-frame fade (in and out), as created by DVDMaestro.

i.e. a linear transparency progression like so: 3->6->9->12->15->12->9->6->3->0, with a stop at the last DCSQT.

EDIT: Here's the DVDSubEdit dump of a DVDMaestro 5-frame fadein/out (NTSC), in case anyone wants to see.

kumi · 6th June 2006, 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanl

I suspect going linearly may not be the best way to do it.

I made a little stub DVD so you can see linear fading clearly: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...65B5AB5B261B57 (7 MB)

Track 1 shows a linear fade using all 16 available transparency values. Looks pretty good to my eyes (as decoded by ivivideo.ax v6.0.6.56)

Track 2 shows noticeable stuttering, because it has more steps than available transparency values.

(I wrote "xx-color fadein" in the subs... i meant "xx-value fadein" of course

Sir Didymus · 6th June 2006, 20:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by President

...Today I watch this movie on PowerDVD 6.0. All is Ok. Flashing appear in PowerDVD 7.0 only....

Just to confirm: I replicated the problem (muxed back your sup file with some other video and audio assets). With PowerDVD 7.0 the first subpicture is "flashing". Playing the same title with Win DVD 6.0, no problem... It seems it's really a bug in Power DVD 7.0...

Cheers,
SD

Edit: just to be totally sure, I did also a quick check with the Philips Verifier...
Not a single one of the reported "glitches" is related to the sup asset...
I am very confident, if you burn your title and test it with a standalone, it will be ok!

Edit2: indeed, the fade-in fade-out test title of kumi is playing fine also in Power DVD 7.0...

President · 7th June 2006, 09:52

Many many thank's, guys. I am satisfied.

X-Calibar · 20th June 2006, 23:45

I was surfing www.google.com searching for a program that can extract/replace individual subtitles due to problems like mispellings, and other typos...
When I quickly found DVDSubEdit's original topic :O I checked through all 29 pages... and although DVDSubEdit cannot replace subs yet...

Wow! I've favorited this on my long list of programs I like to check progress on. Very professional and easy to use

Just wanted to throw out my personal thank you~Jeanl

jeanl · 20th June 2006, 23:48

Thanks! Your feedback is highly appreciated!
I haven't worked on DVDSubEdit much in the past couple months, but development isn't on hold! It's just that I have some other stuff competing for attention (like, construction work at my house!

)
Jeanl

borry · 18th August 2006, 13:23

Hi,

I`ve tried to extract some subpictures from a dvd menu to a .ppm file.
When I place this subpicture over the original background the subpicture looks stretched.
I don`t know if this is a bug or are there some settings in dvdsubedit which i can adjust?

I`ve uploaded a photoshop project with the original background, a subpicture ripped with suprip, and a subpicture ripped with dvdsubedit for comperision.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...F7192B1B121784

The purpase of ripping to .ppm is that I wish to ad an extra button in the menu.

jeanl · 18th August 2006, 17:01

borry, this might be a bug, I'll have to look into it, but I'm busy these days (remodelling of our house)...
jeanl

borry · 24th August 2006, 20:09

@jeanl

If I set dvdsubedit to 4:3 display the ripped subpicture isn`t stretched.
The original menu is 16:9 pan&scan.

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jeanl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,079	You guys will have to give me some time! jeanl __________________ A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob.

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jeanl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,079	This suggests a very simple UI for adding a fade-in/out: - Two check boxes for fade in and fade out - Number of frames for fade-in - Number of frames for fade-out - Perhaps a button to remove the fades in one shot. and of course, the traditional "apply to all"... I suspect going linearly may not be the best way to do it. mpucoder, do you know if the transparency encoding in SPUs is somewhat "perceptual" (i.e., if you go linear, you'll get a nice even fade in/out)? Jeanl __________________ A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob.

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X-Calibar Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: US Posts: 4	I was surfing www.google.com searching for a program that can extract/replace individual subtitles due to problems like mispellings, and other typos... When I quickly found DVDSubEdit's original topic :O I checked through all 29 pages... and although DVDSubEdit cannot replace subs yet... Wow! I've favorited this on my long list of programs I like to check progress on. Very professional and easy to use Just wanted to throw out my personal thank you~Jeanl __________________ Critical Error ARG! Work darn you!

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jeanl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,079	Thanks! Your feedback is highly appreciated! I haven't worked on DVDSubEdit much in the past couple months, but development isn't on hold! It's just that I have some other stuff competing for attention (like, construction work at my house! ) Jeanl __________________ A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob.

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jeanl Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,079	borry, this might be a bug, I'll have to look into it, but I'm busy these days (remodelling of our house)... jeanl __________________ A few PgcEdit guides. DVDSubEdit a free tool to edit subtitles directly inside the vob.

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mpucoder Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,530	I see, so what President has in the above would be a 5 frame fade (in and out)?

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President Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ukraine. Posts: 109	Many many thank's, guys. I am satisfied.

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borry Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18	Hi, I`ve tried to extract some subpictures from a dvd menu to a .ppm file. When I place this subpicture over the original background the subpicture looks stretched. I don`t know if this is a bug or are there some settings in dvdsubedit which i can adjust? I`ve uploaded a photoshop project with the original background, a subpicture ripped with suprip, and a subpicture ripped with dvdsubedit for comperision. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.ph...F7192B1B121784 The purpase of ripping to .ppm is that I wish to ad an extra button in the menu.

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borry Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 18	@jeanl If I set dvdsubedit to 4:3 display the ripped subpicture isn`t stretched. The original menu is 16:9 pan&scan.