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Old 14th April 2011, 14:07   #11781  |  Link
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I noticed in v0.37.4's release, you changed the settings to have ("Use X264 Internal LAVF" to "on" as the default). But I see now we need to decide for ourselves to use it. Is there a thread I can read about this setting and it's benefits?
Do a search. I've talked about it here. It is faster on some systems and slower on others. Quality is pretty much the same. The real advantage of LAVF is that is bypasses FFDSHOW, HAALI, and AVISYNTH. Since most of my reported issues are from people who misconfigure those apps, using LAVF gets around some issues. So I had high hopes for it. But unfortunately there a lots of things that can't be done with LAVF and BD-RB has to automatically revert when it encounters them...
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Old 14th April 2011, 14:09   #11782  |  Link
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Well I didnt mean the blu ray itself had a 2.35:1 ratio, I meant the actual movie on the disc. I'm backing my discs up in MKV format which is why Im asking if this is possible. Thanks anyway.
Hmmm... you can make MKVs to any ratio you want so, I can see your point. But, honestly, the space you save by removing the bars is inconsequential.
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Old 14th April 2011, 14:13   #11783  |  Link
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jdobbs, ever seen this before? Color Purple threw up this nugget:

- [09:39:36] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00105]
- [09:39:52] Reencoding: VID_00105 (7 of 7)
- [09:39:52] Collecting video information
- Audio/PGS sizing issue. Continued...
- Source Video: MPEG-4 (AVC), 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23,976fps, 13*056 frames
- [12:19:43] Reencoding: VID_00105, Pass 1 of 1
- [12:21:33] Video Encode complete
- [12:21:33] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [12:21:33] Multiplexing M2TS

When I logged in this morning, there was a OK/Cancel dialog window waiting for me with a warning about Audio/PGS sizing problem. Clicking OK continued the process and the backup finished without further warnings/errors. I haven't had time to play the output yet, unfortunately.
That means that the audio in that segment is too large to fit in the allocated space for the entire video/audio/pgs combination. In other words you've probably decided to keep HD audio and have selected a size that is too small to hold it. When you said "Ok" to continue, it will use a standardized quality level and encode. But the likelihood that you will oversize is very high.
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Old 14th April 2011, 17:44   #11784  |  Link
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Sounds pretty advantageous when capable. Thanks
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Old 14th April 2011, 20:06   #11785  |  Link
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jdobbs, will you have to change the x264 command line in the next version?

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Improve Blu-ray compliance
Use dec_ref_pic_marking SEIs to repeat B-ref referencing information.
Don't allow B-frames to reference frames outside their minigop.

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Consolidate Blu-ray hacks into --bluray-compat
This option is now required for Blu-ray compatibility.
--open-gop bluray is now gone (using bluray-compat and open-gop implies a Blu-ray compatible open-gop).
This option doesn't automatically enforce every aspect of Blu-ray compatibility (e.g. resolution, framerate, level, etc).
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Old 14th April 2011, 20:52   #11786  |  Link
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what other "blu-ray hacks" are they referencing? --b-pyramid strict? There weren't any besides open-gop that had "bluray" as an option, were there?
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Old 14th April 2011, 21:26   #11787  |  Link
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--b-pyramid strict is not only "blu-ray" option so stay as is. And --bluray-compat is now mandatory, other hacks described here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...61#post1492261
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what other "blu-ray hacks" are they referencing? --b-pyramid strict? There weren't any besides open-gop that had "bluray" as an option, were there?
I have very carefully chosen the settings in BD-RB for blu-ray compatibility. I suggest you (and everyone) leave the settings alone -- I have had way to many people who want to change settings saying "it works for me" even though it violates specs (especially GOP count).

By the way... the changes you are referencing were only posted on X264.nl today -- I recommend you NEVER use a version other than the one that is included in the zip for BD-RB. I have a series of tests I run before including any new software -- BD-RB v0.37.07 should be used with X264 r1924.
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Gotcha. No worries, I'm interested in max stability, and actually helping progress the beta, eliminate bugs, etc--wouldn't want to cause you more headache than I already do.

My comment was off-topic, I was just asking a general x264 question, and should have searched instead: sorry. I'll try to stay on-target.
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Old 15th April 2011, 05:52   #11790  |  Link
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MKV Question

this may sound like a dumb question, but does setting and increasing the target size of an MKV container keeping audio intact and or AC3 DD5.1 increase video quality? I have been trying to compare DVD9 to a 10GB MKV container with DTS Audio intact, but the DVD9 setting seems to come out better. I maybe wrong, but was wondering if someone had a little insight. Awesome program, I have been using a while finally getting around to registering to the forum =) Trying to get the best video quality around a DVD9 size.
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Old 15th April 2011, 14:20   #11791  |  Link
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this may sound like a dumb question, but does setting and increasing the target size of an MKV container keeping audio intact and or AC3 DD5.1 increase video quality? I have been trying to compare DVD9 to a 10GB MKV container with DTS Audio intact, but the DVD9 setting seems to come out better. I maybe wrong, but was wondering if someone had a little insight. Awesome program, I have been using a while finally getting around to registering to the forum =) Trying to get the best video quality around a DVD9 size.
The same size will produce the same quality... regardless of whether it is MKV or M2TS. The M2TS uses slightly more for overhead, but not enough to really make a huge difference.

As for the audio -- typically using DD5.1 will use less space than DTS, so yes the video would probably look slightly better with DD 5.1. If you want the best quality I would recommend using DD5.1 @ 640Kbs for output. Others may argue the point -- but in my opinion DD5.1 at that bitrate is indistinguishable from uncompressed audio (and all the tests done by audio engineers agree).

As for which is better... six of one and a half dozen of the other. It really doesn't matter which one you choose because it only takes about 5 minutes to switch between the two with the right software.
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Old 15th April 2011, 22:26   #11792  |  Link
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Any news on my HP5 issue ? See previous post (all eng language streams, that are not all eng)
Well I did some testing on this disc. Here's the bad news: The reason it won't encode is because the main feature contains an IGS stream. A few versions ago I made a change to disallow reencoding of streams with IGS -- that's because as-of today, there is no way to reintegrate the IGS into the output (TSMUXER won't handle it). Typically IGS is only used on small special features and menus... but HP5 is that one in a thousand special case.

The good news is that I can fix it for movie-only mode for the next release. The IGS is never needed then. I can also add a hidden option that allows a full encode to reencode despite the IGS -- the downside to that is that while you can be sure the film will always play perfectly, you never know which of the special feature will be hampered (but something will).

I guess I'm going have light a fire under myself for that code the reintegrates DTS-Express and IGS. I put it aside after a couple of weeks of frustrating results.
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Old 15th April 2011, 23:16   #11793  |  Link
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I guess I'm going have light a fire under myself for that code the reintegrates DTS-Express and IGS.
I just send some kindling and a box of matches, which is all I can afford right now. ;-) Maybe some others can afford to throw some jet fuel on that.
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I just send some kindling and a box of matches, which is all I can afford right now. ;-) Maybe some others can afford to throw some jet fuel on that.
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Old 16th April 2011, 03:09   #11795  |  Link
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Well I did some testing on this disc. Here's the bad news: The reason it won't encode is because the main feature contains an IGS stream. A few versions ago I made a change to disallow reencoding of streams with IGS -- that's because as-of today, there is no way to reintegrate the IGS into the output (TSMUXER won't hangle it). Typically IGS is only used on small special features and menus... but HP5 is that one in a thousand special case.

The good news is that I can fix it for movie-only mode for the next release. The IGS is never needed then. I can also add a hidden option that allows a full encode to reencode despite the IGS -- the downside to that is that while you can be sure the film will always play perfectly, you never know which of the special feature will be hampered (but something will).

I guess I'm going have light a fire under myself for that code the reintegrates DTS-Express and IGS. I put it aside after a couple of weeks of frustrating results.
Interestingly, I did HP5, R1, to a full disc backup to BD-25 quite some time ago, and it completed successfully. I tested it on my S360 and everything seemed to work just fine. I can't remember which version of BD-RB I would have used on it, which probably doesn't matter regarding IGS, but I did not experience any problems. I tested the intro to the main menu, selected the movie to play, and it was fine. Can't remember any special feature problems either, which I usually test as well.
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Interestingly, I did HP5, R1, to a full disc backup to BD-25 quite some time ago, and it completed successfully. I tested it on my S360 and everything seemed to work just fine. I can't remember which version of BD-RB I would have used on it, which probably doesn't matter regarding IGS, but I did not experience any problems. I tested the intro to the main menu, selected the movie to play, and it was fine. Can't remember any special feature problems either, which I usually test as well.
Yeah, I did it too. I'd have to guess it is a popup of some kind (BD Live, maybe?). Here's where I made the change:

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February 7th, 2011 - v0.37.4
- Inserted temporary code to prevent streams that
  contain IGS from being processed.  Since these
  are normally menus and by nature are small, 
  they will be kept intact.  This should prevent 
  the rare "Menu without buttons" issue until
  IGS reintegration routines are completed.
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Old 16th April 2011, 13:14   #11797  |  Link
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@jdobbs: thx for getting back to me on that. Please add that hidden switch till you manage to solve it. The reason is that i never do movie-only backups, only full disc ones. Guess there's always 1 disc that has to be an outsider like with everything in the real world. Something or someone's gotta be different then the rest
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Old 16th April 2011, 21:48   #11798  |  Link
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Definitely pays to check check and recheck before posting to this thread. I was almost convinced that I had either a bad rip, or encode problem. Or even still, that it was a result of a new setting(Use Internal LAVF) I've never used before. But it turns out that Totalmedia theatre v 3.0.1.120 has a problem rendering the Harry Potter 7 Pt1 BD Menu(Even the preprocessed files). The menu stutters rather substantially. I was gonna try Powerdvd but it wants me to upgrade to a new version. So I burned the Bd rebuilder Output. My current standalone, Samsung BD-p1590 is being rather picky with my BD-R discs as of late. But I only needed it to run for a few minutes, while I checked the menu playback. It played flawlessly. I wonder why the menu plays erratically, while the main movie is fine in arcsofts player. Weird....

I will definitely remain thorough in the future. It's actually pretty rare Rebuilder causes trouble....
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Old 16th April 2011, 22:20   #11799  |  Link
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Jdobbs, you don't have 37.03 lying arround anymore do you if it won't impact coding to much. so i can rebuilt it anyway. The oldest version i have is exactly 37.04 where you added that code.
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Old 16th April 2011, 22:21   #11800  |  Link
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Hello,

Just finished compressing Heartbreak Ridge (BD) to 720P and 1080P. The audio is out of sync on both. I would say by about half a second. Enough to be noticeable. BDRebuilder is set to output 448 AC3.

I'm selecting the DTS HD audio track (English). Tried it 3 times now. Same result.

Played the original BD structure back through the same player and the audio is fine.

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[04:08:15] BD Rebuilder v0.37.06 (beta)
- Source: HEARTBREAK_RIDGE
- Input BD size: 30.67 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:09:56.830]
- Target BD size: 7.84 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- RESIZE 1080p to 720p enabled
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=448
[04:08:15] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [04:08:15] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00037]
- [04:35:50] Reencoding: VID_00037 (1 of 1)
- [04:35:50] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 186,937 frames
- Convert: 1280x720, 23.976fps, 186,937 frames
- Bitrate: 7,510 Kbs
- [04:35:50] Reencoding: VID_00037, Pass 1 of 2
- [06:13:08] Reencoding: VID_00037, Pass 2 of 2
- [09:25:02] Video Encode complete
- [09:25:02] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [09:29:40] Multiplexing M2TS
[09:34:42]PHASE ONE complete
[09:34:42]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [09:34:42] Rebuilding AVCHD file Structure
[09:39:49] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[09:39:49]JOB: HEARTBREAK_RIDGE finished.
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[13:00:12] BD Rebuilder v0.37.06 (beta)
- Source: HEARTBREAK_RIDGE
- Input BD size: 30.67 GB
- Approximate total content: [02:09:56.830]
- Target BD size: 15.63 GB
- Windows Version: 5.1 [2600]
- MOVIE-ONLY mode enabled
- Quality: High Quality (Default), Two Pass
- Audio Settings: AC3=1 DTS=1 HD=0 Kbs=448
[13:00:12] PHASE ONE, Encoding
- [13:00:12] Extracting A/V streams [VID_00037]
- [13:27:28] Reencoding: VID_00037 (1 of 1)
- [13:27:28] Collecting video information
- Source Video: VC-1, 1920x1080
- Rate/Length: 23.976fps, 186,937 frames
- Bitrate: 15,468 Kbs
- [13:27:28] Reencoding: VID_00037, Pass 1 of 2
- [15:06:49] Reencoding: VID_00037, Pass 2 of 2
- [21:24:50] Video Encode complete
- [21:24:50] Reencoding audio tracks (if req'd)
- [21:29:27] Multiplexing M2TS
[21:38:24]PHASE ONE complete
[21:38:24]PHASE TWO - Rebuild Started
- [21:38:24] Rebuilding BD file Structure
[21:49:23] - Encode and Rebuild complete
- WORKFILES folder removed.
[21:49:23]JOB: HEARTBREAK_RIDGE finished.

[Status]
LABEL=HEARTBREAK_RIDGE
VERSION=v0.37.06 (beta)
SOURCE_SIZE=32936103936
SOURCE_VIDEO_SIZE=32936103936
TARGET_SIZE=16777216000
REDUCTION=.509386782134303
RESIZE_1080=0
AUDIO_TO_KEEP=eng;
KEEP_HD_AUDIO=0
SUBS_TO_KEEP=eng;
BACKUP_MODE=1
MOVIEONLY_TYPE=0
USE_LAVF=0
QUICK=0
ENCODE_STEP=0
COMPLETED=1
REBUILD_COMPLETE=1
[00037]
AUDIO=10000
PGS=1000000000
M2TS_TARGET=16777216000
RATE=15468
NSTART=27000000
NEND=377900640
NSIZE=15774799872
FLINK=0
MLINK=0

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