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Old 25th September 2003, 23:49   #281  |  Link
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HeyHey, You are gonna get struck by lightning if you keep this up!
@DDogg, it was you who announced the thread! Beware of the Lord!

Regarding the GOP size discussion, the less B pictures the GOP has, the better. You can even encode without B pictures.
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Ok, the new version 2.7.0 beta1 is looking good (haven't I said that before?). I've put in some cure for both the problems w00kie and Dogg reported, and hopefully they'll help. The problems with wrong bitrates/sizes should be gone, and I've added audio settings (e.g. % of Video). A little more work before its done. I'm putting AutoIt3 on the shelf for a while.

@r6d2: maybe he took his name too: "juhan" sebastian ...
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@r6d2: maybe he took his name too: "juhan" sebastian ...
Well, you may be right. I had not thought of that.

I guess the plugin should be called RoJuBa
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Ok, ya Bach bashers We are just a little OT? Anyway, one could certainly argue that all of our ideas are a iterative process built upon small pieces of information and mis-information we pick up here and there. Eventually they morph into a theory or method. I think Juhan's stuff was just a small subsection and more concerned with robshot. Bach thought it out many iterations past that and properly presented it. I consider at least one of his multiple personalities a friend and I wanted to make that point. Also I now feel much safer walking in the rain

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One could certainly argue that all of our ideas are a iterative process built upon small pieces of information and mis-information we pick up here and there. Eventually they morph into a theory or method. I think Juhan's stuff was just a small subsection and more concerned with robshot.
Well, if you look closely to the CCE manual, it's all in there. Juhan in fact suggests to look at it for special settings.

The OPV+VAF then VBR is laying in there too.

Differential Calculus was invented almost simultaneously by both Newton and Leibnitz, without any collaboration whatsoever, and the authorship is disputed until today. Then that is creating from scratch.

But just being RTFM consciuous where everyone else is lazy... Maybe does not deserve something named after him at all, even though presenting it as something usable by normal people has a merit indeed.

I can already hear the thunders! Oh, my...
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Just remember he never named it, d2s did. Bach was uncomfortable from the start with the name. He just presented a well thought out presentation of how the RobShot method was flawed, silly and unnecessarily cumbersome. He then quoted from the manual if I remember correctly. In fact, he tended to use the same techniques you do to present ideas based upon fact and not BS. Bach's main problem was he was a natural hothead plus he speaks Portuguese and his English tended to come out, erm, shall we say rather more directly than yours Anyway, we really are off topic so I shall cease and desist unless you crank me up again (as I know you do enjoy doing - lol)
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Anyway, we really are off topic
I guess we two are just too eager to see Tylo's anouncement of its new version and cannot step out of this thread

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Back on topic: what do you guys think of improving the plugin with the following stuff:

On its current status, the plugin uses Q as its only quality indicator. Actually, Q is a measure of how similar the encode is from the source. It is not "absolute" quality. i.e., if the source sucks, a low Q will produce a "high quality" encode that will also suck.

On the other hand, sharpness comes from the resolution used. Say you set "Minimum Sharpness"=CVD. Using FACAR, the plugin optimizes the pair Q/Sharpness to provide the best alternative.

Any comments?
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Any comments?
Maybe later. It is a very intriguing thought, but I think conservative stability now for a while may be more important than any new features. That way more people will start using it and it will get some critical mass building. The concept of a declared stable build with a parallel development alpha for us screwball types might be a good one
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If I'm not fed up with the plug-in, I may put audio encoding after the video encoding. We can adjust the audio bitrate in various ways, depending on the size of the video created.
No comment except to suggest you may be opening a can of worms for yourself and you might end up losing all your hair (assuming you have any ).
Well, the worms were all over me at some point, and I think I lost a few hairs too.

Hopefully, I got all the worms back in the can. Just go and try out the new v2.7.0 beta1.
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Looks like you have been very busy! Hmmm, maybe I am just confused but on my first test the plugin did not do any prediction tests. It's first pass started doing a OPV @ Q1 100-2644.


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Sorry 'bout that. One line jumped out of the code just before I uploaded it. You must use 'auto' or '?' until beta2 - tonight.
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@Tylo,

I noticed that if you don't use the plugin the BeSweetlater.bat is still there... It it supposed to? Perhaps you should set it only during the plugin.
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Thanks. Doing test with Auto now. Seems to be working fine so far. I will edit in results and log in 2 hours. Actually I am glad this "forced" me to use auto mode as I normally don't. I think I am getting close to trusting it
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Old 30th September 2003, 16:18   #294  |  Link
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I noticed that if you don't use the plugin the BeSweetlater.bat is still there... It it supposed to? Perhaps you should set it only during the plugin.
The only time you'll get this, is when you exit the plugin from the tray while it's in the [Sleep - wait for CCE] mode. If you then start D2S (and not the plugin), BeSweetLater.bat is active, and you must manually reset it to BeSweet.exe. However, if you start the plugin instead (after such exit), the plugin will take care of it.

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Well I have some more news you will not like. The audio was never done and then of course muxing failed as there was no mp2 file.

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D2SRoBa v2.7.0 beta1 - DVD2SVCD plugin, by tylo
OS Version: WIN_XP
--------------------------------------------------------
- DVD2SVCD Shutdown
- 2003-09-30 09:03:05
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Settings:
-   Encoding mode           : OPV RoBa
-   CD size                 : 800
-   Number of CD's          : auto
-   Auto Q. (worst)         : 40
-   Maximum Q.              : 64
-   Sample percentage       : 1.0
-   Adjust Q.               : 1.6
-   Sample GOPs             : 1
-   Sizing pass             : on=1  (-3.0 .. 1.0)%
-   Audio with plugin       : on=1  (% of Video, 10%, min 128 kbps)
-   Adjust max video br     : on=1  (total 2756 kbps)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Movie length       : 01:40:43 (144899 frames, 23.976 fps)
- D2S audio settings : (128 kbps + 0) kbps
- D2S video estimate : 2025 kbps, 2 CDs
- SelectRangeEvery   : every 1200, select 12 frames
- Num. sample frames : 1452
--------------------------------------------------------
Calculations:
- 1 CD: Video BR=941  Audio0 BR=128  Video SZ=710866904.
- 2 CD: Video BR=1961  Audio0 BR=192  Video SZ=1481413388.
- 3 CD: Video BR=2982  Audio0 BR=256  Video SZ=2252715310.
- 4 CD: Video BR=4002  Audio0 BR=320  Video SZ=3023261794.
--------------------------------------------------------
- Using Max bitrate=2564 for auto samples (adj. for 2 CDs)
- Estimated mpv size : 683203176. (Q=40, 904 kbps, 6846224 sample sz)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- Number of CDs      : 1
- Target mpv size    : 710866904. (941 / max 2628) kbps
--------------------------------------------------------
- Binary search for Q:
- Estimated mpv size : 1021366706. (Q=20, 1352 kbps, 10234884 sample sz)
- Computed  mpv size : 852284941. (Q=30, 1128 kbps, 8540554.=(Q40+Q20)/2)
- Computed  mpv size : 767744059. (Q=35, 1016 kbps, 7693389.=(Q40+Q30)/2)
- Computed  mpv size : 725473668. (Q=37, 960 kbps, 7269807.=(Q40+Q35)/2)
- Estimated mpv size : 704783148. (Q=38, 932 kbps, 7062472 sample sz)
--------------------------------------------------------
- Q Weight : 1.0 - (710866904. / 99.7926997245179 - 7062472) / (7269807. - 7062472)
- Adjust Q : (38 + (0.705964056564278) - (1.6)) = 37.1059640565643
- Determined Q.      : 37
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- Encoding Movie
- 2003-09-30 09:08:26
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- Actual mpv file size:
  09/30/2003  10:36 AM         690842600 Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC_FS1.mpv
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- OPV pass result: 97.2% on target (   690842600 / 710866904.)
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Could be the 'NumOfAudioStreams' under 'Settings' in the .d2s file that isn't set when using frame selection. Using another way now.

Ok, beta2 is uploaded.
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OK, I'll do another Texas ass-whooping on it and see if I can break it
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Ok, beta2 will not work with frame selection + audio. I've fixed it, but I'm not able to upload the latest version at the moment. The bug was caused by a "feature" in D2S: In the ".d2s" file, it says:
MP2FileName0=....\Encoded_audio_1.mp2

So I must get the name from the "bbMPEG Movie Settings1.ini", where I find:
AudioFilename=....\Encoded_audio_1_FS1.mp2

I'll upload ASAP.

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How I understand you, my friend... I found a "bug" in the original SemiAuto... (It does not show "As seen on TV" when frame size is based on 704. It shrinks them vertically, which is not supposed to.) I've been trying to fix it in FACAR, since it slept through... but I found also FitCD is giving wrong output too!

So back to the sources and FACAR 2.0 is in alpha stage.
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So I must get the name from the "bbMPEG Movie Settings1.ini", where I find: AudioFilename=....\Encoded_audio_1_FS1.mp2
So I guess you are now having to kill the mux process? Or can you wait till the ini is created and keep muxing from starting? When frame Selection is used, isn't the name of the audio always the base name plus "_FS'X'.mp2"? Since you only support 1 FS (I think) then the name if FS is on would always be "Encoded_audio_1_FS1.mp2". Wouldn't it? I think I am missing something obvious. ANyway, I stopped the Beta 2 pass at 98% (growl ) and have a Beta 3 test started.

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