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Old 14th September 2013, 10:01   #1801  |  Link
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Would it be better between megui and hybrid?
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Old 14th September 2013, 10:10   #1802  |  Link
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Not sure what you want, I guess you wanted to ask which is better, MeGui or Hybrid.
Since they both use the same encoder, there shouldn't be much of a difference.
Surprise! Personally I prefer Hybrid, but I'm the author. *gig*

MeGui:
- Windows only (afaik)
- always uses Avisynth (scripts need to be adjusted to use Avisynth MT)
- allows the user to manipulate the avisynth scripts
- easier to use, but has less options

Hybrid:
- Crossplattfrom
- uses Avisynth only if the AvisynthExtension is used (always uses Avisynth MT unless told otherwise)
- does not allow the user to manipulate the avisynth scripts
- more options -> more complicated to use, no One-Click-Mode

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Old 14th September 2013, 10:20   #1803  |  Link
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Would it be better between megui and hybrid?
I used to use MeGui and now I use Hybrid, and I will not come back to MeGui.
Hybrid can do a lot of things and Selur always answer the questions and solves the bugs very quickly.
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Selur always answer the questions and solves bugs very quickly.
I try to.
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I try to.
I may confirm it:
YES, selur does answer the questions and solves bugs very quickly.

Furthermore, Hybrid is natively cross-platform. Very interesting for us Linux users.
I just miss in Hybrid support for avisynth in Linux... but MeGUI also doesn't. And it is not Hybrid's fault. Maybe someday Vapoursynth...
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Old 14th September 2013, 22:40   #1806  |  Link
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I use Hybrid with Aivsynth through wine under Linux from time to time, setup some options to use it when I looked into how to easily setup wine + avisynth on ubuntu systems,..
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Old 15th September 2013, 18:30   #1807  |  Link
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Not sure what you want, I guess you wanted to ask which is better, MeGui or Hybrid.
Since they both use the same encoder, there shouldn't be much of a difference.
Surprise! Personally I prefer Hybrid, but I'm the author. *gig*

MeGui:
- Windows only (afaik)
- always uses Avisynth (scripts need to be adjusted to use Avisynth MT)
- allows the user to manipulate the avisynth scripts
- easier to use, but has less options

Hybrid:
- Crossplattfrom
- uses Avisynth only if the AvisynthExtension is used (always uses Avisynth MT unless told otherwise)
- does not allow the user to manipulate the avisynth scripts
- more options -> more complicated to use, no One-Click-Mode

Cu Selur
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You're right. Certainly it seems to be good than Megui. but I found some of bugs. for example After I finished an encoding from DVDISO source, as I input same DVDISO again.
Hybrid is crased. I always have to reinstall for re-work
I don't know why the program is crashed.
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Old 15th September 2013, 18:35   #1808  |  Link
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I suspect I probably fixed that problem a while ago but didn't release a new public version yet, since (a. still waiting for feedback regarding another bug b. got some problem connecting to my mac build environment atm.)
-> if you tell me which OS you are using, I can send you a link to a development version, if that version also doesn't help see: http://selur.de/support regarding what infos are needed for me to reproduce and fix a problem
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Old 16th September 2013, 19:20   #1809  |  Link
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Hybrid rev 2013.09.16.1:
*changed*
  • muxing: less folders to delete on AVCHD creation with tsMuxeR 1.11.x+
  • lot of refactoring to keep code base maintainable
*added*
  • resize: option to decide whether or not 'keep resize on source change' will be dis-/enabled depending if the source is a multi- or single source
  • encoder: Windows only: !experimental! DivX265 Command Line encoder support (muxing to mp4 requires recent MP4Box version), progress indication only works if ffmpeg is used as decoder. -> it's mainly ment to simply have a GUI for it, even if the options are really restricted (not by Hybrid but by the cli encoder itself), copy DivX265.exe into your Hybrid folder to try
*fixed*
  • extract: mencoder/mplayer audio extraction
  • input: crash when using DVD input on Windows Systems (caused by a threading bug in QT5)
  • audio: faac encoding with ffmpeg as decoder
  • audio: ffmpeg audio encoding with raw output didn't always use the proper output path
  • audio: ffmpeg audioID and ffmpeg audio index were mixed up on some audio extraction calls
  • a bunch of Mac OS X related problems
  • vp9: ffmpeg outputting yuv4mpeg instead of rawvideo when feeding vpxenc
  • analyse: analyse all title on a DVD not just all after the first selected
  • x264: error when applying 'zerolatency' tune option
  • jobs: merging of ffmpeg audio&video extraction calls with single audio source
  • input: wrong source selection when loading Blu-ray content through mplayer/mencoder since it uses it's own (not documented) mpls<>Blu-ray title mapping. -> dropping support for libbluray in mplayer/mencoder
  • muxing: automatic passthrough audio/video title, crash
*cosmetics*
  • added source selection option to Audio-tab
  • show current title in window title for multi source input

-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

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Old 17th September 2013, 03:21   #1810  |  Link
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Hybrid rev 2013.09.16.1:
Experimental! DivX265

Info: Your Mp4Box version seems to be too old to handle MPEG-4 AVC content!

Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but I searched and tested some versions of MP4Box and still the same message?

Could indicate MP4Box.??

Thank's

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Old 17th September 2013, 07:12   #1811  |  Link
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Damn, that is what I forgot to add to the package, an updated MP4Box Version. Version needs to be 4524+.
Current MP4Box nigthly versions should be fine. (http://gpac.wp.mines-telecom.fr/downloads/gpac-nightly-builds/ you would need the mp4box binary and the supporting libraries)
-> will update the Hybrid download
-> new Installer and Win32 package is uploaded
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Old 17th September 2013, 13:58   #1812  |  Link
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Hybrid rev 2013.09.17.1:

*changed*
  • tools: Windows: exchanged the MP4Box version, updated tsMuxeR and MkvToolnix
*fixed*
  • jobs: remuxing mkv(MPEG-4 ASP, X) -> avi(MPEG-4 ASP, X) missing subjob-ID in name
  • tools: tsMuxeR version detection

-> downloads: http://www.selur.de/downloads

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Old 18th September 2013, 00:49   #1813  |  Link
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Selur.

Your new encoder is very good.

After some tests and with the exchange of 03 executable files, the file got Hevc-MKV (AUDIO AND VIDEO), which works perfectly in DivXPlayer 10 with the same final file size.

Test Video Hybrid.v2.Run.DivX.Player.mkv: https://shared.com/zzeapv260h
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General
Unique ID : 170643492645265471224919133343816347489 (0x8060BDC14062C3EE9F6DC3884C43EF61)
Complete name : C:\Users\Marchand\Videos\Hybrid.v2.Run.DivX.Player.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4 / Version 2
File size : 1.36 MiB
Duration : 7s 466ms
Overall bit rate : 1 530 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:55:38
Writing application : mkvmerge v6.2.0 ('Promised Land Rovi v1.0.4') built on Aug 29 2013 13:59:38
Writing library : libebml v1.3.0 + libmatroska v1.4.0
Encoding Gui : Hybrid 2013.09.17.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration : 7s 466ms
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Default : Yes
Forced : Yes

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID : A_AAC
Duration : 7s 466ms
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz / 22.05 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Default : Yes
Forced : No
These executables original Hybrid, converted into H265/MP4, only worked in OsmoPlayer where we would be limited to using it only for audio and video.

Test Video Hybrid.v1.Run.Osmo.Player.mp4:
https://shared.com/qjzje10b17

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Complete name : C:\Users\Marchand\Videos\Hybrid.v1.Run.Osmo.Player.mp4
Format : hvc1
Codec ID : hvc1
File size : 1.36 MiB
Duration : 7s 572ms
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 1 509 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Writing application : Hybrid 2013.09.17.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 7s 465ms
Bit rate : 1 412 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 2 932 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.028
Stream size : 1.26 MiB (92%)
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : HE-AAC / LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 7s 572ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 113 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 128 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz / 24.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 20ms
Stream size : 104 KiB (7%)
Encoded date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:30:41
Tagged date : UTC 2013-09-17 22:33:21
I tried testing in Hevc-MKV with original files that you launched and could not, because the Hybrid always originated errors.

Finally, follow the link 03 zipped executable files to their final tests in Hybrid and exchange if they want and if you can enable the option we can save the configuration of testing HEVC (. Xml) would be good for us.

Link 03 files zipped: https://shared.com/zjdbv1ohlc

Thanks for your project and your commitment to provide us with this great encoder.

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Hybrid does not support hevc inside mkv since mkvtoolnix does not support it atm., the only way to save HEVC inside mkv is using some by DivX/Rovi modified mkvmerge&Co versions, which Hybrid does not support because the version is based on 6.2.0 (current is 6.4.1) and I'm not sure how future proof these versions are.
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just a quick question really, does this program convert Bluray to Xvid without going through a Indexing process of any kind (i use XMedia Recode which does realtime converting, like handbrake does), I'm looking for something a little better than XMedia Recode, it's good for what it is, but one small thing that has always plagued this program is the way it crops, and the resolution aspect ratio downscaling functions.... it quite often gives me a really low height resolution which is much lower than what MeGUI would give, or handbrake for that matter, i have emailed the developer three times, with no answer!

Handbrake does now support ASP output (with the right advance command you can make a compatible ASP Xvid output, then just change the container for AVI), however it is not powered by Xvid itself, but rather a generic version of it (inside ffmpeg), which after many tests is far inferior to Xvid (
Code:
profile=15:level=5:trell:mbd=2:mv0:v4mv:cbp:dia_size=2:pre_dia_size=2:last_pred=3:cmp=2: \
precmp=2:subcmp=2:bf=2:b_strategy=1
) is as good as it gets with ffmpeg, but still no where near as good as Xvid.... only way to get good outputs is to throw about an extra 35% bitrate at the encodes than you would with just using Xvid alone.... sometimes a lot more if there are a lot of dark scenes.

any suggestions would be great, i just hate having to go through the indexing part with bluray films because it takes ages, and really puts a lot of strain on hard drives, also with ffmpeg and mencoder now being so mature in development, i'm still surprised how many converters still need to index stream first before encoding???

mediacoder is good on paper, but it's so slow, and very buggy, i can never get it to use more than 40% of my cpu no matter what settings i use (3770k)

any feedback i'll appreciate, looking for some insight aswell too.

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i just hate having to go through the indexing part with bluray films because it takes ages
DGDecNV can index a bluray in about 5 minutes. Is that really so onerous? Indexing isn't a useless thing, you know. It allows for accurate and robust random access, which is critical for the proper operation of many Avisynth scripts.
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but to index a bluray stream, you have to demux first, i didn't say that part "demuxing", when i rip a bluray it creates a MKV or a .ts file, this can't be indexed without causing serious issues... so MeGUI for example will have to demux first, then index, then it can start the job, then it has to remux the final output..... 30 to 40minutes if not more has been wasted just on demuxing, indexing and remuxing alone. this is what i am trying to get around.... like handbrake does (but no Xvid support)

i understand the need for anysynth, but it would be nice to have a option to bypass that if needed (speed)
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but to index a bluray stream, you have to demux first
Not true. DGDecNV can index TS, M2TS, and MKV directly without demuxing.

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when i rip a bluray it creates a MKV or a .ts file, this can't be indexed without causing serious issues
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any feedback i'll appreciate, looking for some insight aswell too.
instead of saying true, not true, how about offering some insight, that is what i asked,

if my MeGUI setup is wrong, please tell me,

everytime i load a bluray into MeGUI, it first demuxes the streams i want from the MKV or .ts file, then it indexes the actual video stream, then it does the encoding job i want, but of course now it needs to remux the video and audio stream into a AVI container.

so that is not true, so please, tell me where i can forego, the need to demux, remux, and go straight to the encoding in realtime.
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I just noticed this is all OT for this thread. Please start a new thread. I will answer you there.
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