RB-Opt v0.23 BETA a tool to change titles bitrate, CCE parameters and AVS scripts.

robot1 · 27th April 2004, 16:23

It's coded in few nights... so it still has bugs (like every beta...)
It should work with every encoder supported by DVD-RB.

Sorry for my english... it's not my mother language.

RB-Opt is an addon for DVD-RB (0.4x-1.x free and PRO)
It allows the user to select different bitrates for every Title in a DVD to process by DVD-RB. For example, backing up a DVD you may want to lower the bitrates for the extras, leaving more room to the film. It works even for extras in the same VTS of the film (ex. Trailers, deleted scenes...)
RB-Opt allows to change also CCE parameters and .avs scripts, to use your custom setup for backup.
Since v0.13 RB-Opt supports OPV mode: thanks to SansGrip for the coding.

Latest version:
RB-Opt v0.38 beta (mirror by Doom9.de)

Previous versions:
RB-Opt v0.37 beta (mirror by jdobbs)
RB-Opt v0.33 beta
RB-Opt v0.29 beta

Usage:
Put DVD-RB in "3 click mode", and run the "Prepare" stage.
Now run RB-Opt, and open the REBUILDER.INF created by DBD-RB.
RB-Opt shows the default bitrate used for every title in the "Encode" stage.
Find (using preview) the Vob-IDs of the film, and link them (mandatory to have the best results).
Select the title you want to compress more/less, and input your custom bitrate.
The program will calculate the new bitrate for the titles labeled as "Auto".
It's just like DVDShrink and other one-click apps do ... in a less graphical way :-(
Now you can tweak end credits cell, initial cell, or use "expert settings" to tweak any CCE parameters, or to apply an avisynth filter.
For every title you can select if it will be encoded as VBR or OPV. For OPV titles the program will run a prediction step to find the right Q factor, unless you select a custom Q to override prediction.
After saving the changes, you can start the encoding stage in DVD-RB

The bitrate is always calculated cell by cell: if in DVD-RB you selected "Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates", the resultant Cell Bitrates will be still proportional to the original ones.

Avisynth editing allows to insert a filter in every .avs of a Vob-ID, and uses "favourite filters" for faster editing. It allows to preview the cell, to control the filter behaviour.
You can change these CCE parameters, for every Vob-ID:
- Number of passes
- DC Precision
- Gop Length
- Quantizer Characteristics
- Bias
- Min/Max bitrate for VBR
- Matrices
- CCE internal Filters

Mich

Edit:
Updated to v0.38 beta.

For german speaking people, here is the RB-Opt page on german doom9 board.

jdobbs · 27th April 2004, 19:07

Wow. Between this and RB Server Farms... we're hitting things I never even imagined. Honestly, though, the reason 3 Click mode exists and I'm openly explaining what all the parameters are is to support creativity in how they are used.

27th April 2004, 19:15

Yeah we love DVD-RB so much we cant wait for you to add all the features and people beaver away on their own

Nice job robot1, I dont have any new stuff to encode and I'm even yet to try the half-d1-bitrate option but I'll test your tool on something in a few days. Seems like a sound idea.

robw · 27th April 2004, 19:22

great robot1

DVD-RB is absolutely great but I'm still having trouble with the run-time error 9. From what I've read in the forum it seems to be related to the 1/2 D1 & 1/2 space option. I am definitely trying to use that option. I was about to try again with the option turned off when I noticed your program to tweak the avs file.

Well this seems like exactly the thing I've been waiting for and I am going to give it a try. Will let you know.

By the way, your interface looks very nice! Good start on a really outstanding feature.

robot1 · 27th April 2004, 19:31

It's only a start. I hope to post tonight a newer version (with less bugs...)

@robw
You could try to enable half D1, without half bitrate, and select the bitrate with RB-Opt.
Post your results...

robw · 27th April 2004, 19:45

Quote:

Originally posted by robot1
It's only a start. I hope to post tonight a newer version (with less bugs...)

@robw
You could try to enable half D1, without half bitrate, and select the bitrate with RB-Opt.
Post your results...

Wonderful. I'm very excited about giving this a try. I'll do it tonight and check the board before I do to see if you've updated the file.

gopalkk · 27th April 2004, 20:16

What i mean is, should the calculations of bitrates be based on
resolutions as well so the user can decide in this tool if its
good to go with either half d1 or less bitrate or both in this
level?

This is just the begining of this tool.
I feel DVD-RB should concentrate on doing things accurately and
parameterising all actions it takes (it does this already mostly).

Then this tool (once clubbed with server farm) will create
the control features of DVD-RB.

All my DVDs has 20% used in Menus and this tool will help me
release more from the menus.

Thanks for your efforts

wmansir · 27th April 2004, 20:35

Good job, Mich. I think tools like this are an excellent way to exploit the openness of DVD-RB's process.

People may have missed it, but a similar tool is in development, but it was buried in one of the long threads: here It's a bit further along, but only works per VTS set. I actually lost track of it and when searching for it to post here was surprised at the advances that have taken place.

I don't mention it to discourage you, I just wanted to make people aware of it. I'm not even sure if John plans on developing it further, as the last update was several weeks ago.

27th April 2004, 20:42

Wow, ECL Optimizer should have its own thread. It's sad to see it buried in there.

the-warriners · 27th April 2004, 21:31

JDobbs - now that this app is in development do you still plan to add this sort of thing to DVD-RB as 'standard'?

Seeing as the original aim was to write a dvd shrink type of app that was easy to use but utilised the power to CCE i think it should be built in.

I dont want to belittle Robot1's work however.

27th April 2004, 21:39

I'm sure he will and he has stated that he will. But there's still lots of bugs to squash and new features can bring more bugs that need to be squashed before adding yet more features.

robot1 · 27th April 2004, 21:39

I hope to find soon these features in DVD-RB

Waiting for them, I coded this little app.

the-warriners · 27th April 2004, 21:49

Joergen - I dont want to imply that JDobbs should do it now. Obviously these new tools are popping up now so I was just wondering if they might have prompted a change of direction.

To be honest I am more than happy leaving the extras at the DVD-RB calculated rate.

robot1 · 27th April 2004, 21:58

@all
Updated v 0.2 beta, with less bugs (I hope).

P3gasus · 27th April 2004, 22:54

@robot1

I cannot test your software for now because I have no dvd to test it with (I am not at home); but I noticed that if you check the "Auto" checkbox without loading any inf file, RB-Opt crashes (Windows error message). I know that it is not really an useful bug report but I thought you could be interested.

Bye

PS Very nice app indeed

jdobbs · 28th April 2004, 00:19

Quote:

Originally posted by the-warriners
JDobbs - now that this app is in development do you still plan to add this sort of thing to DVD-RB as 'standard'?

Seeing as the original aim was to write a dvd shrink type of app that was easy to use but utilised the power to CCE i think it should be built in.

I dont want to belittle Robot1's work however.

Actually I think this is a great way to do it. Something like this can be tested and if everyone likes the features -- and if everyone likes it I can look at rolling it into the base package.

I'm an advocate of open environments... and will try as much as possible to support the creativity of others. I think that is one of the factors that have made AVISYNTH so successful.

robot1 · 28th April 2004, 07:30

Quote:

Originally posted by P3gasus
...I noticed that if you check the "Auto" checkbox without loading any inf file, RB-Opt crashes (Windows error message). I know that it is not really an useful bug report but I thought you could be interested.

Bye

PS Very nice app indeed

Thanks!
Bug fixed for next version.

robot1 · 28th April 2004, 09:51

@DnGermany
Uhm... strange.
Can you check that Rebuilder.inf and Rebuilder.ecl in D2VAVS directory weren't actually saved?
Are there .bak files?
Thanks for info.

Fishman0919 · 28th April 2004, 11:25

I'm gettind the same error...checked the .inf and .ecl and they wasn't saved

robot1 · 28th April 2004, 11:29

@Fishman0919
What S.O. are you using?
XP ?
I can't repeat this error (win2k), but I hope I've fixed it.

27th April 2004, 16:23	#1 \| Link
robot1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 650	RB-Opt v0.23 BETA a tool to change titles bitrate, CCE parameters and AVS scripts. It's coded in few nights... so it still has bugs (like every beta...) It should work with every encoder supported by DVD-RB. Sorry for my english... it's not my mother language. RB-Opt is an addon for DVD-RB (0.4x-1.x free and PRO) It allows the user to select different bitrates for every Title in a DVD to process by DVD-RB. For example, backing up a DVD you may want to lower the bitrates for the extras, leaving more room to the film. It works even for extras in the same VTS of the film (ex. Trailers, deleted scenes...) RB-Opt allows to change also CCE parameters and .avs scripts, to use your custom setup for backup. Since v0.13 RB-Opt supports OPV mode: thanks to SansGrip for the coding. Latest version: RB-Opt v0.38 beta (mirror by Doom9.de) Previous versions: RB-Opt v0.37 beta (mirror by jdobbs) RB-Opt v0.33 beta RB-Opt v0.29 beta Usage: Put DVD-RB in "3 click mode", and run the "Prepare" stage. Now run RB-Opt, and open the REBUILDER.INF created by DBD-RB. RB-Opt shows the default bitrate used for every title in the "Encode" stage. Find (using preview) the Vob-IDs of the film, and link them (mandatory to have the best results). Select the title you want to compress more/less, and input your custom bitrate. The program will calculate the new bitrate for the titles labeled as "Auto". It's just like DVDShrink and other one-click apps do ... in a less graphical way :-( Now you can tweak end credits cell, initial cell, or use "expert settings" to tweak any CCE parameters, or to apply an avisynth filter. For every title you can select if it will be encoded as VBR or OPV. For OPV titles the program will run a prediction step to find the right Q factor, unless you select a custom Q to override prediction. After saving the changes, you can start the encoding stage in DVD-RB The bitrate is always calculated cell by cell: if in DVD-RB you selected "Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates", the resultant Cell Bitrates will be still proportional to the original ones. Avisynth editing allows to insert a filter in every .avs of a Vob-ID, and uses "favourite filters" for faster editing. It allows to preview the cell, to control the filter behaviour. You can change these CCE parameters, for every Vob-ID: - Number of passes - DC Precision - Gop Length - Quantizer Characteristics - Bias - Min/Max bitrate for VBR - Matrices - CCE internal Filters Mich Edit: Updated to v0.38 beta. For german speaking people, here is the RB-Opt page on german doom9 board. Last edited by robot1; 24th February 2008 at 19:42.

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jdobbs Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 20,951	Wow. Between this and RB Server Farms... we're hitting things I never even imagined. Honestly, though, the reason 3 Click mode exists and I'm openly explaining what all the parameters are is to support creativity in how they are used. __________________ Help with development of new apps: Donations. Website: www.jdobbs.net

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gopalkk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17	does it help if this tool decides on half d1 What i mean is, should the calculations of bitrates be based on resolutions as well so the user can decide in this tool if its good to go with either half d1 or less bitrate or both in this level? This is just the begining of this tool. I feel DVD-RB should concentrate on doing things accurately and parameterising all actions it takes (it does this already mostly). Then this tool (once clubbed with server farm) will create the control features of DVD-RB. All my DVDs has 20% used in Menus and this tool will help me release more from the menus. Thanks for your efforts

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P3gasus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Italy Posts: 77	@robot1 I cannot test your software for now because I have no dvd to test it with (I am not at home); but I noticed that if you check the "Auto" checkbox without loading any inf file, RB-Opt crashes (Windows error message). I know that it is not really an useful bug report but I thought you could be interested. Bye PS Very nice app indeed __________________ Pegasus

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27th April 2004, 19:15	#3 \| Link
Joergen Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah we love DVD-RB so much we cant wait for you to add all the features and people beaver away on their own Nice job robot1, I dont have any new stuff to encode and I'm even yet to try the half-d1-bitrate option but I'll test your tool on something in a few days. Seems like a sound idea.

27th April 2004, 19:22	#4 \| Link
robw Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 81	great robot1 DVD-RB is absolutely great but I'm still having trouble with the run-time error 9. From what I've read in the forum it seems to be related to the 1/2 D1 & 1/2 space option. I am definitely trying to use that option. I was about to try again with the option turned off when I noticed your program to tweak the avs file. Well this seems like exactly the thing I've been waiting for and I am going to give it a try. Will let you know. By the way, your interface looks very nice! Good start on a really outstanding feature.

27th April 2004, 19:31	#5 \| Link
robot1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 650	It's only a start. I hope to post tonight a newer version (with less bugs...) @robw You could try to enable half D1, without half bitrate, and select the bitrate with RB-Opt. Post your results...

27th April 2004, 20:35	#8 \| Link
wmansir Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: USA Posts: 1,919	Good job, Mich. I think tools like this are an excellent way to exploit the openness of DVD-RB's process. People may have missed it, but a similar tool is in development, but it was buried in one of the long threads: here It's a bit further along, but only works per VTS set. I actually lost track of it and when searching for it to post here was surprised at the advances that have taken place. I don't mention it to discourage you, I just wanted to make people aware of it. I'm not even sure if John plans on developing it further, as the last update was several weeks ago.

27th April 2004, 20:42	#9 \| Link
Joergen Guest Posts: n/a	Wow, ECL Optimizer should have its own thread. It's sad to see it buried in there.

27th April 2004, 21:31	#10 \| Link
the-warriners Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bedfordshire, UK Posts: 39	JDobbs - now that this app is in development do you still plan to add this sort of thing to DVD-RB as 'standard'? Seeing as the original aim was to write a dvd shrink type of app that was easy to use but utilised the power to CCE i think it should be built in. I dont want to belittle Robot1's work however.

27th April 2004, 21:39	#11 \| Link
Joergen Guest Posts: n/a	I'm sure he will and he has stated that he will. But there's still lots of bugs to squash and new features can bring more bugs that need to be squashed before adding yet more features.

27th April 2004, 21:39	#12 \| Link
robot1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 650	I hope to find soon these features in DVD-RB Waiting for them, I coded this little app.

27th April 2004, 21:49	#13 \| Link
the-warriners Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bedfordshire, UK Posts: 39	Joergen - I dont want to imply that JDobbs should do it now. Obviously these new tools are popping up now so I was just wondering if they might have prompted a change of direction. To be honest I am more than happy leaving the extras at the DVD-RB calculated rate.

27th April 2004, 21:58	#14 \| Link
robot1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 650	@all Updated v 0.2 beta, with less bugs (I hope).

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robot1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 650	@DnGermany Uhm... strange. Can you check that Rebuilder.inf and Rebuilder.ecl in D2VAVS directory weren't actually saved? Are there .bak files? Thanks for info.

28th April 2004, 11:25	#19 \| Link
Fishman0919 FishmanMod Android Dev Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Somewhere else, maybe Arizona Bay Posts: 1,143	I'm gettind the same error...checked the .inf and .ecl and they wasn't saved

28th April 2004, 11:29	#20 \| Link
robot1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 650	@Fishman0919 What S.O. are you using? XP ? I can't repeat this error (win2k), but I hope I've fixed it.