Subtitles not showing on a retail DVD with MPC-HC

Pringles · 14th July 2010, 17:01

Hi, I was ripping the subtitles for the movie Blow Out with VSRip and ended up with subtitles not showing up on playback. So I took my original DVD, enabled the subtitles but they also don't show up!! I watched this DVD on my DVD player and I know the subs are showing up fine but why MPC-HC is having troubles with those? Is there something I can do?

Thanks!

Inspector.Gadget · 14th July 2010, 17:25

Are you using a renderer that supports subtitles? Are you using an external MPEG-2 decoder with DXVA mode enabled that happens not to play well with MPC-HC (e.g., do you see menu button highlights)?

Pringles · 14th July 2010, 17:38

err I'm not sure what you're talking about but I tried another DVD (Barton Fink) and its subs show up fine in MPC-HC. I'm using MPC internal subtitles renderer. MPC-HC has all internal filters turned on. Let me know if you need more infos.

Inspector.Gadget · 14th July 2010, 18:55

Are the subs on the original DVD closed captions muxed into the video stream rather than DVD-SUP, or vice versa?

Episodio1 · 14th July 2010, 21:52

I got same problem. I made a custom DVD with subs.

I load final .IFO into MPCHC and it doesn't show subs.

I used DVDLabPro 2. I set them up as "show by default" and tried to move them on screen at diferent positions. I never got any subs on MPC-HC.

I loaded .IFO in VLC and they worked as it should.

version: 1.3.2099

PS: Anyways, I've got strange behavoiurs in DVD menus with MPC-HC since earlier versions (and I still have problems). VLC treats DVD menus and buttons correctly.

Pringles · 14th July 2010, 22:30

Yeah, it may be a problem related to MPC-HC.

@Inspector.Gadget : how can I check this?

Inspector.Gadget · 14th July 2010, 22:36

Pringles - check a VOB with MediaInfo.

Pringles · 15th July 2010, 14:42

Here is what I get with MediaInfo:

Code:

General
Complete name                    : E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_02_1.VOB
Format                           : MPEG-PS
File size                        : 1 024 MiB
Duration                         : 27mn 24s
Overall bit rate                 : 5 221 Kbps

Video
ID                               : 224 (0xE0)
Format                           : MPEG Video
Format version                   : Version 2
Format profile                   : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP            : Yes
Format settings, Matrix          : Default
Duration                         : 27mn 24s
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 4 157 Kbps
Nominal bit rate                 : 8 000 Kbps
Width                            : 720 pixels
Height                           : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio             : 2.35:1
Frame rate                       : 25.000 fps
Standard                         : PAL
Color space                      : YUV
Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
Bit depth                        : 8 bits
Scan type                        : Interlaced
Scan order                       : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.401
Stream size                      : 815 MiB (80%)

Audio #1
ID                               : 128 (0x80)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Duration                         : 27mn 24s
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L R
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 37.6 MiB (4%)

Audio #2
ID                               : 129 (0x81)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Duration                         : 27mn 24s
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L R
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 37.6 MiB (4%)

Audio #3
ID                               : 130 (0x82)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Duration                         : 27mn 24s
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L R
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 37.6 MiB (4%)

Audio #4
ID                               : 131 (0x83)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Duration                         : 27mn 24s
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L R
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 37.6 MiB (4%)

Audio #5
ID                               : 132 (0x84)
Format                           : AC-3
Format/Info                      : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension                   : CM (complete main)
Duration                         : 27mn 24s
Bit rate mode                    : Constant
Bit rate                         : 192 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : 2 channels
Channel positions                : Front: L R
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth                        : 16 bits
Stream size                      : 37.6 MiB (4%)

Text #1
ID                               : 32 (0x20)
Format                           : RLE
Format/Info                      : Run-length encoding
Duration                         : 27mn 21s
Video delay                      : 2s 480ms

Text #2
ID                               : 33 (0x21)
Format                           : RLE
Format/Info                      : Run-length encoding
Duration                         : 27mn 21s
Video delay                      : 2s 480ms

Text #3
ID                               : 34 (0x22)
Format                           : RLE
Format/Info                      : Run-length encoding

Text #4
ID                               : 35 (0x23)
Format                           : RLE
Format/Info                      : Run-length encoding

Text #5
ID                               : 36 (0x24)
Format                           : RLE
Format/Info                      : Run-length encoding

Text #6
ID                               : 37 (0x25)
Format                           : RLE
Format/Info                      : Run-length encoding

Menu

Midzuki · 15th July 2010, 15:02

(To whom this may concern)
*Necessary* (although somewhat off-topic) nit-pick:

Run-Length Compressed *bitmaps* are not "Text"

Quote:

Text #1
ID : 32 (0x20)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding
Duration : 27mn 21s
Video delay : 2s 480ms

Text #2
ID : 33 (0x21)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding
Duration : 27mn 21s
Video delay : 2s 480ms

Text #3
ID : 34 (0x22)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding

Text #4
ID : 35 (0x23)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding

Text #5
ID : 36 (0x24)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding

Text #6
ID : 37 (0x25)
Format : RLE
Format/Info : Run-length encoding

Kurtnoise · 15th July 2010, 15:26

Text in this place in MediaInfo refers to Subtitles Streams (pictures like VobSub/PGS or Text like SRT/SSA). Yes, it's not accurate but change this might break API.

Midzuki · 15th July 2010, 15:50

^ "Normal" DVD-capable MPEG-2 decoders, and MS's DVD Navigator too, have pins dedicated to handling subpictures, and AFAIK these do not offer the mediatype "text".

Pringles · 15th July 2010, 17:36

I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about

Midzuki · 15th July 2010, 17:49

^ Apologies.

Disable the internal MPEG-2 decoder of MPC-HC, and let ffdshow work. See what happens, and tell us what happened.

Pringles · 15th July 2010, 18:13

Well, this was actually ffdshow that was already decoding the picture by default. What I don't understand is why specifically those subs are not showing in MPC-HC whereas other subs from other movies are? When I right click on MPC , "subtitles" is greyed out. Those subs are also not showing up when I selected them in the DVD menu and then play the movie like on a regular home DVD player.

setarip_old · 15th July 2010, 20:32

Hi!

Quote:

watched this DVD on my DVD player and I know the subs are showing up fine

Quote:

Those subs are also not showing up when I selected them in the DVD menu and then play the movie like on a regular home DVD player.

Which is it? Do they or don't they display on your standalone player?

Midzuki · 15th July 2010, 21:25

Pringles wrote:

Quote:

What I don't understand is why specifically those subs are not showing in MPC-HC whereas other subs from other movies are?

I don't know.

Maybe some "insignificant details" during the authoring,
OR during the muxing process, are triggering a *bug* in ffdshow, in MPC-HC, OR in both.

Quote:

I'm using MPC internal subtitles renderer. MPC-HC has all internal filters turned on.

JMHO: usually, that's not a good idea.

Quote:

Let me know if you need more infos.

Version # ffdshow,
version # of MPC-HC,
and their respective settings.

Quote:

Those subs are also not showing up when I selected them in the DVD menu and then play the movie like on a regular home DVD player.

Try disabling ffdshow's MPEG-2 decoder, so it won't be used for DVD playback. Use MPC-HC's internal decoder instead, OR the freeware DScaler 5. Also, and just for curiosity, try opening your DVDs in Windows Media Player...

Pringles · 16th July 2010, 01:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by setarip_old

Hi!

Quote:

Originally Posted by setarip_old

Which is it? Do they or don't they display on your standalone player?

Sorry for the confusion, the subs do show up on my standalone player (Panasonic RV40EG or something) but don't show up when I insert the DVD in the DVD Rom (Pioneer DVR-215D) of my computer and watch the movie with MPC-HC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midzuki

JMHO: usually, that's not a good idea.

Why's that?

Version # ffdshow --> ffdshowtryouts revision 3285 Mar 25 2010
version # of MPC-HC --> 1.3.1249.0
and their respective settings.

nothing is checked in ffdshow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midzuki

Try disabling ffdshow's MPEG-2 decoder, so it won't be used for DVD playback. Use MPC-HC's internal decoder instead, OR the freeware DScaler 5. Also, and just for curiosity, try opening your DVDs in Windows Media Player...

When I disable ffdshow, subs are still not showing up!

Windows Media Player is not installed and I don't want to do that

setarip_old · 16th July 2010, 03:11

Try another software player, such as VLC...

Midzuki · 16th July 2010, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pringles

Windows Media Player is not installed and I don't want to do that

No problemo.

Quote:

Why's that?

Well, MPC(-HC) may have internal conflicts, and surely there may also exist conflicts with other installed applications, running processes, DirectShow filters, etc etc etc.

Quote:

Version # ffdshow --> ffdshowtryouts revision 3285 Mar 25 2010

JMO, but I highly mistrust any revisions between 3176 and 3426 (plus the newest builds as well).

Quote:

nothing is checked in ffdshow.

Make sure its MPEG-2 decoder is disabled.

Quote:

When I disable ffdshow, subs are still not showing up!

You mean, disable it "inside" MPC-HC?
By default, ffdshow sets an ultra-high merit for itself,
and making MPC-HC "prefer" ffdshow's Video Decoder is pointless
(and depending on the "buggyness" level,
to tell MPC-HC to block ffdshow may have no effect).

BTW, have you ever tried DScaler 5?

And no, I keep having no idea why your current settings for MPC-HC and ffdshow work fine for some DVDs but do not work well for other DVDs. It's indeed more practical and more effective just switch to a different MPEG-2 decoder, or to a different version of the same media player.

Pringles · 16th July 2010, 16:58

I tried my DVD with VLC on another computer and the subs are displayed correctly.

When I said I disabled ffdshow, I meant that I removed it as a plugin within MPC-HC. So yes, inside MPC.
I also tried the ffdshow subtitle plugin and they also don't display the subs on my computer.

I don't think it's video related as the subs don't show on the original DVD (MPG2) and on my back up file (x264).
I really have no clue here.

14th July 2010, 17:01	#1 \| Link
Pringles Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 106	Subtitles not showing on a retail DVD with MPC-HC Hi, I was ripping the subtitles for the movie Blow Out with VSRip and ended up with subtitles not showing up on playback. So I took my original DVD, enabled the subtitles but they also don't show up!! I watched this DVD on my DVD player and I know the subs are showing up fine but why MPC-HC is having troubles with those? Is there something I can do? Thanks!

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Kurtnoise Swallowed in the Sea Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Aix-en-Provence, France Posts: 5,191	Text in this place in MediaInfo refers to Subtitles Streams (pictures like VobSub/PGS or Text like SRT/SSA). Yes, it's not accurate but change this might break API. Last edited by Kurtnoise; 15th July 2010 at 15:29.

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Midzuki Unavailable Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: offline Posts: 1,480	^ "Normal" DVD-capable MPEG-2 decoders, and MS's DVD Navigator too, have pins dedicated to handling subpictures, and AFAIK these do not offer the mediatype "text". Last edited by Midzuki; 15th July 2010 at 16:02. Reason: typo; removed pointless comment

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Inspector.Gadget Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,618	Are you using a renderer that supports subtitles? Are you using an external MPEG-2 decoder with DXVA mode enabled that happens not to play well with MPC-HC (e.g., do you see menu button highlights)?

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Pringles Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 106	err I'm not sure what you're talking about but I tried another DVD (Barton Fink) and its subs show up fine in MPC-HC. I'm using MPC internal subtitles renderer. MPC-HC has all internal filters turned on. Let me know if you need more infos.

14th July 2010, 18:55	#4 \| Link
Inspector.Gadget Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,618	Are the subs on the original DVD closed captions muxed into the video stream rather than DVD-SUP, or vice versa?

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Episodio1 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 198	I got same problem. I made a custom DVD with subs. I load final .IFO into MPCHC and it doesn't show subs. I used DVDLabPro 2. I set them up as "show by default" and tried to move them on screen at diferent positions. I never got any subs on MPC-HC. I loaded .IFO in VLC and they worked as it should. version: 1.3.2099 PS: Anyways, I've got strange behavoiurs in DVD menus with MPC-HC since earlier versions (and I still have problems). VLC treats DVD menus and buttons correctly.

14th July 2010, 22:30	#6 \| Link
Pringles Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 106	Yeah, it may be a problem related to MPC-HC. @Inspector.Gadget : how can I check this?

14th July 2010, 22:36	#7 \| Link
Inspector.Gadget Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,618	Pringles - check a VOB with MediaInfo.

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Pringles Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 106	I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about

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Midzuki Unavailable Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: offline Posts: 1,480	^ Apologies. Disable the internal MPEG-2 decoder of MPC-HC, and let ffdshow work. See what happens, and tell us what happened.

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Pringles Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 106	Well, this was actually ffdshow that was already decoding the picture by default. What I don't understand is why specifically those subs are not showing in MPC-HC whereas other subs from other movies are? When I right click on MPC , "subtitles" is greyed out. Those subs are also not showing up when I selected them in the DVD menu and then play the movie like on a regular home DVD player.

16th July 2010, 03:11	#18 \| Link
setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	Try another software player, such as VLC...

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Pringles Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 106	I tried my DVD with VLC on another computer and the subs are displayed correctly. When I said I disabled ffdshow, I meant that I removed it as a plugin within MPC-HC. So yes, inside MPC. I also tried the ffdshow subtitle plugin and they also don't display the subs on my computer. I don't think it's video related as the subs don't show on the original DVD (MPG2) and on my back up file (x264). I really have no clue here.