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Old 23rd February 2018, 23:47   #49221  |  Link
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Unfortunately I just found one... 390.77 isn't compatible with Asio4All, which is a problem for those of us using REW (Room EQ Wizard). The HDMI Audio out isn't detected.
That must be something on your end, shows up just fine here in the device list in the ASIO4ALL control panel.
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Old 24th February 2018, 03:48   #49222  |  Link
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deinterlacing is not that complicate.

if you take a PAL DVD and you can disable deinterlacing(PsF source...) and get normal results that doesn't mean you can do it with all pal dvd...

maybe i didn't make my self clear but automatic detection does NOT work.
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That must be something on your end, shows up just fine here in the device list in the ASIO4ALL control panel.
Thanks, please can you list your OS version, GPU model, GPU driver version, Asio4ALL driver version, REW version?

I'm not the only one to have this issue on a 1080ti, at least with Windows 10 1709 and the latest nVidia drivers. That's how I found out as initially I had no idea why the HDMI out of the 1080ti did not appear.

The other guy with such an issue was also using Windows 10 and a 1080ti, so maybe it's restricted to some nVidia GPUs only, but it's definitely a driver compatibility issue with 390.77, reverting to 385.28 immediately solved it here.

https://www.avnirvana.com/threads/pr...-drivers.2147/

This guy has exactly the same issue, and I promise it's not me All my details in my sig, I was using Asio4all 2.14 as well and the latest stable REW.

I don't know which GPU driver version breaks it, I don't have the time to try all the drivers from 385.28, I just went back to that one because it's the last one where everything works for me including the bit depth with custom res.

When I'm done with REW (I just got a new AVR, so I have some set-up / testing / optimization to do) I'll probably go back to 390.77, it's a good driver otherwise.
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I'm also on 10 with a 1080Ti, using ASIO4All 2.14. I'm not actually using REW, but thats not really involved at that point anyway.
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No, it is an error message that the mode cannot be applied at all. Your issue may be madVR not switching to the actual custom resolution, try applying it manually. I have had that issue before as well, actually I suppose that might be another driver issue with the custom resolution API, but it wasn't the one I was talking about.
This doesn't seem to be the source of my problem. Even if I manually switch the resolution before starting a video, the madVR optimization seems to overshoot and bounces back and forth between 1 frame drop and repeat, always in the 50m to 2h range.

Is there a way to manually calculate the required values to get a specific refresh rate? I've tried changing some of the values but each change results in a way to high change in the refresh rate.
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Old 24th February 2018, 08:50   #49226  |  Link
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I'm also on 10 with a 1080Ti, using ASIO4All 2.14. I'm not actually using REW, but thats not really involved at that point anyway.
What do you use with Asio4All? I can't see a way to test Asio4All independently of REW.

Which build/version of 10 are you using? I'm on the latest 1709.
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Obviously there are other applications that can use ASIO, not only REW. I only use it for testing not day-to-day use (ASIO4All is usually a bad idea anyway, adding extra middle layers doesn't improve anything, unless you have some silly stubborn software that refuses to support any mainstream audio API, my USB DAC on the HTPC also has a native ASIO driver anyway), but I tested right now with JRiver Media Center.
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Obviously there are other applications that can use ASIO, not only REW. I only use it for testing not day-to-day use (ASIO4All is usually a bad idea anyway, adding extra middle layers doesn't improve anything, unless you have some silly stubborn software that refuses to support any mainstream audio API, my USB DAC on the HTPC also has a native ASIO driver anyway), but I tested right now with JRiver Media Center.
Thanks for testing. Which OS build are you using? I know that there are other apps that can use Asio4All, that's precisely why I asked you which app do you use with it, I didn't want to ask you to test with REW as you're not using it.

Asio4all is the only way to access each of the 7.1 channels independently in REW. With the Java drivers, you're limited to sub + LR, so please don't make statements about software you don't use/know, or provide an alternative

When I'm done with REW I'll go back to 390.77 and I'll check with jRiver. If it works, I'll get in touch with the developer of REW as it will point to an issue with this specific software. If it doesn't, it will confirm the incompatibility of 390.77 with Asio4all, at least in my setup and that other guy's.

Sorry for the OT everyone, let's go back on topic.
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Asio4all is the only way to access each of the 7.1 channels independently in REW. With the Java drivers, you're limited to sub + LR, so please don't make statements about software you don't use/know, or provide an alternative
That software is indeed a bit silly if it can't even access individual channel through any other audio API. Its not exactly rocket science. So my statement stands.
I have actually used REW before though, but its just not something you use every day, or even every week, so its not installed for testing right now. Although they say you should re-measure occasionally, but who got time for that.
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That software is indeed a bit silly if it can't even access individual channel through any other audio API. Its not exactly rocket science. So my statement stands.
I have actually used REW before though, but its just not something you use every day, or even every week, so its not installed for testing right now. Although they say you should re-measure occasionally, but who got time for that.
As I said, I'm installing a new AVR, I haven't used REW in the last two years, since I installed the last one. Silly or not, Asio4All is the only way to access all the channels independently in REW, so it does bring something that other drivers don't for that software. If you think REW is silly, please recommend another software with the same feature set or better that doesn't need Asio4All, I'll be very happy to consider it.

REW may have some silly limitations, yet I use it because it's the best at what it does (and I'm forever grateful for what his author does). I feel the same towards LAV and you by the way, or MadVR and Madshi, and I never call a well-designed bit of software silly, especially when it's free and it's the best at what it does

Any chance you could answer the question about which windows build you use so we can close this OT conversation? Thanks!
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Which one of these 2 options is best to use? http://imgbox.com/epee9wJQ
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Old 24th February 2018, 17:13   #49232  |  Link
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Are you going to release a new madvr?

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I think there will be a new Version soon. the new displaycal changelog showed a feature which requires madvr 0.92.13 or higher. so i think a new version will be released soon, maybe this weekend or next, but thats just my thoughts...
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deinterlacing is not that complicate.

if you take a PAL DVD and you can disable deinterlacing(PsF source...) and get normal results that doesn't mean you can do it with all pal dvd...

maybe i didn't make my self clear but automatic detection does NOT work.
I read [SPOILER] Interlaced video can carry progressive scan signal, and deinterlacing process should consider this as well.

Typical movie material is shot on 24 frames/s film; when converting film to interlaced video using telecine, each film frame can be presented by two progressive segmented frames (PsF). This format does not require complex deinterlacing algorithm because each field contains a part of the very same progressive frame. However to match 50 field interlaced PAL/SECAM or 59.94/60 field interlaced NTSC signal, frame rate conversion should be performed using various "pulldown" techniques; most advanced TV sets can restore the original 24 frame/s signal using an inverse telecine process. Another option is to speed up 24-frame film by 4% (to 25 frames/s) for PAL/SECAM conversion; this method is still vastly used for DVDs, as well as television broadcasts (SD & HD) in the PAL MARKETS. [/SPOILER]

So with Psf material no deinterlacing is needed. So is madvr to perform the pulldown at this point? Speeding the source up to 25 frames?

And can you go deeper in the source detection not working argument?
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No madVR is not doing pulldown or speed up.
NTSC has 59,xx fields/s and Pal DVD has 50 fields/s, so for sources with 24 frames/s pulldown or speedup is already done ...
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No madVR is not doing pulldown or speed up.
NTSC has 59,xx fields/s and Pal DVD has 50 fields/s, so for sources with 24 frames/s pulldown or speedup is already done ...
Understood, thanks!
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Unfortunately I just found one... 390.77 isn't compatible with Asio4All, which is a problem for those of us using REW (Room EQ Wizard). The HDMI Audio out isn't detected.
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Asio4All is the only way to access all the channels independently in REW, so it does bring something that other drivers don't for that software. If you think REW is silly, please recommend another software with the same feature set or better that doesn't need Asio4All, I'll be very happy to consider it.
ASIO4ALL is not the only "virtual" ASIO driver available. There is also FlexASIO, ASIO2WASAPI and ASIO2KS. You might have better luck with those. Especially the first one, since, well, I wrote it
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Should “Activate SuperRes filter be used for 1080P movies, and should the Anti Bloating filter be used in downlcaling?
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There were a lot of improvements/changes for NGU and HDR recently.

What about image refinements or smoothmotion?
Are there some possible improvements to do?

What about a reclock alternative since custom resolutions are still problematic with old and current hardware?
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What about image refinements or smoothmotion?
Are there some possible improvements to do?
What are your problems with image refinements or smoothmotion?
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