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You shouldn't need a $300+ motherboard unless you're going to be overclocking that 3950X (source).
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MSI B450 Tomahawk (or B450 Tomahawk Max which has larger flash for BIOS, so that fufure BIOS updates shoudl be more painless, also this board is made for Ryzen 3000 out of the box) is rather affordable. Or Asus Crosshair VI Hero (X370) - that one has very beefy VRM and is deeply discounted if you can find it. |
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Please provide a source to that claim, cause I have seen lots of people running older mb with the new 3000-series and non have reported lower clockspeeds/performance. As long as your mb can provide enough power, the only loss is pcie 4, which I guess most of us can live without.
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Or not: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14603...board-review/6 |
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"For our motherboard reviews, we use our short form testing method. These tests usually focus on if a motherboard is using MultiCore Turbo (the feature used to have maximum turbo on at all times, giving a frequency advantage), or if there are slight gains to be had from tweaking the firmware. We put the memory settings at the CPU manufacturers suggested frequency, making it very easy to see which motherboards have MCT enabled by default." I dont see how that test confirms higher performance in general for the x570 platform, just that the bios settings on different boards are tweaked differently. So the performance difference will vary depending on what boards you test, and might not matter at all if you are willing to tweak some settings for yourself. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/a...on-x470/6.html "The question on your mind will now be whether you lose anything by the way of performance or overclocking headroom. We pulled out an MSI X470 Gaming M7 to find out just that. We are happy to report that you don't lose any performance." Last edited by excellentswordfight; 23rd July 2019 at 14:31. |
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The TechPowerUp test isn't clear what their H.264 and H.265 benchmark is, so its hard to give it any consideration. |
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Perhaps I was too subtle with my post, but there are even X570 motherboards for $200 or less (and no I don't just mean "$199" either) so you can avoid the whole 400-series vs 500-series motherboard debate altogether, and these are being recommended by a renowned extreme overclocker (Buildzoid) to boot so it's not like he doesn't know what he talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuyuS04lD4o#t=21m01s Of the $200-and-less X570 boards Buildzoid recommends, I'd go for the Gigabyte models due to their chipset fan being positioned lower and therefore won't be suffocated by a discrete GPU like has been reported on some Asus and ASRock motherboards (MSI's boards also have a lower-positioned chipset fan which would work just as well, but Buildzoid didn't recommend any specific MSI X570 boards, so...). tl;dw: (these are PCPartPicker links for your convenience):
For reference, this video is the same one I included in my previous post but I had put it as a hyperlink on the text "source". As I mentioned, perhaps that was a bit too subtle on my part and it flew under the radar... Alternatively maybe it's because the cheaper X570 boards are only covered near the end of the video, and it being a 30 minute video may mean that people didn't realize you don't have to watch the entire video (there are even timestamps provided right in the video itself in the bottom-right corner). Therefore I've modified the link so that it'll start directly at the point where Buildzoid begins talking about $200 X570 motherboards and then the segment right after that is sub-$200 X570 motherboards.
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Regardless, I'm in no hurry so I can wait and see how things settle out. I'm waiting at least for the 3950X, maybe even for a TR2. |
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So I've got 3900X onto my hands and we made an encoding speed comparison between it and 2x set of Xeon E5-2687W 0 (Jensen's setup)
SAO3 NCOP1 (full filtering script (AA, denoise, deband) + encode) 3900X: encoded 2208 frames in 0:18:21.28 (2.00 fps), 25531.44 kb/s, Avg QP:15.20 2687W x2: encoded 2208 frames in 0:32:32.68 (1.13 fps), 25506.87 kb/s, Avg QP:15.21 SAO3 NCOP1 (filtering script w/o AA part + encode) 3900X: encoded 2208 frames in 0:07:30.00 (4.91 fps), 26553.97 kb/s, Avg QP:14.98 2687W x2: encoded 2208 frames in 0:15:14.86 (2.41 fps), 26540.64 kb/s, Avg QP:14.99 I'm pretty satisfied with results. Now imagine that there are 16 core chips will come this autumn, it will be even faster. |
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So it's almost twice as fast as a dual processor E5-2687W system? |
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The motherboard mfg's knew that with AM4 they would have to be prepared for multiple cores, and thus they designed them with the VRMs to handle the power draw. |
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I'd say that is more a problem of the mITX platform just not having any where near enough air moving to keep things cool or the BIOS being horrible. It's funny you'd cherry pick the absolutely worse case scenario to try to prove your point. If the board does work fine with a 2700x, then at that point it would be more a problem with the BIOS lacking, which we know is a serious issue on x4xx platforms as the mfg don't want to "waste" time fixing hardware and software issues when they have fancy new stuff for people to buy. MSI is already telling people to just buy the 570 platform because they don't want to bother fixing the issues that they created in the x4xx series boards.
ASROCK is also the only mfg with 3 phase VRM's on their x4xx series boards. Everyone else has a minimum of 4. |
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It has an updated scheduler, but I think not so enhanced for Threadripper to wait for miracles. If I had a 2990WX I would definitely try Coreprio.
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Switch to linux? The scheduler problem doesn't exist there. You can always run windows in an emulator, or use UNRAID as your base and have both Linux and Windows available on your system in native mode, with hardware passthrough.
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