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Chroma: Jinc + AR Image: Jinc + AR Double Luma: 1.2x or greater - NNEDI3 64 Neurons Quadruple Luma: 2.4x or greater - NNEDI3 64 Neurons Downscaling: Catmull-Rom + AR + LL Upscaling Refinement: Sharpen Edges (0.5) + Enhance Detail (0.5) + SuperRes (4 +LL) Artifact Removal - Debanding: Low/High Image Enhancements: Off Dithering: ED2 + Use Colored Noise Render time: 27ms.
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12th November 2015, 03:00 | #34222 | Link |
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Madshi, will image enhancements be shown on the OSD? Or perhaps set an option to allow them to be shown?
Image thinning produces very similar results to awarpsharp but I still prefer the lines it makes (tends to bow things out a bit less) is it possible for the line thinning can be tweaked to produce perhaps similar results? Maybe even something the user could set? Oh and if you got a chance to add line darkening to the toolbox that's be great. Last edited by ryrynz; 12th November 2015 at 08:23. |
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I'm not sure about that. It sounds like a very specialist algorithm only useful to few people? All the other algos should be useful for everybody. "thin edges" might be an algo which was originally aimed at anime, but it's deadly useful for refining upscales, too, so it's really a very general purpose algo. While line darkening seems to be only useful for anime content to me? This might be an algo most suitable to be run in custom shaders? |
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Btw: what levels should be set in this case in Lav video decoder. PC or Untuoched? Or does it matter? I'm using PC now, I have tried untouched but I haven't seen a difference. Quote:
So, I tried it out (instead of changing gamma level to 2.15 in madvr): I had to set black to 1, and all is good. Thank you! The picture is slightly darker now. Since we are here let me ask you 2 more things. (I don't have meters, I did "calibrate" my display using the mp4 avshd mp4 basic and some other files (for the colors with the help of the built in primary color filters of the TV, that means I haven't changed the settings for grayscale calibration)). 1. what would you suggest to change for watching tv shows/movies during the day? Previously I always raised the backlight of the TV (from 40 to 80-90!), but now I thought maybe I should set the gamma on the TV to 2.2 (with the help of an another IFS user profile, so I can modify the necessary other settings as well (brightness, contrast, etc...)) and just switching between the 2 user profiles. 2. what would you set the color temperature to on the TV (without having done a proper calibration )? Possible values: cool/medium/warm. The result of them exactly like you can see in the middle of this article. http://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-tv-...oes-it-matter/ I used medium for couple of months now, but yesterday night I tried out warm and it wasn't so bad as was it before (thanks to the modifications that you suggested). I know that lot of people suggest to go for warm for tv series/movies (probably not for sport events), but it was strange for me all the time. And last: can it be that you change the color temperature according to day or night watching? (I think no, but I'm not sure.) Thanks for your help!
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OK great, would there be room for further improvement there in your opinion? I guess another pass of SR on top wouldn't be possible without SuperSampling?
NNEDI3 is far more of a GPU hog than SR and I'm totally up for spending GPU load on SR coz again its effect on motion blur is astounding with Reclock, I currently have to zoom in native 1080p material one notch in order to trigger SR and 24p looks a hell lot smoother and focused I can't bear watching non-SR footage anymore tbh, for instance motion on my HDTV tuner looks way too blurry to me now Also eagerly awaiting having chroma SR updated but I guess that'll happen soon or later. Last edited by leeperry; 12th November 2015 at 13:20. |
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Hi I'm having a fairly new issue, though not sure when it started. For some reason 29.796fps videos have 16.68ms intervals instead of the 33.36ms you'd expect, and so I'm getting frame drops even with an average rendering time of 16.6ms. Is this a new behaviour?
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To make it short. Isn't NNEDI128 image doubling without SuperRes still better than sxbr25 image doubling + an big portion of SuperRes sugar and almost equally hungry when it comes to performance? |
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I suppose it's not realistic and instead I'd limit SuperRes passes/strength (and NNEDI3 neurons to 64) and maybe apply a bit of "sharpen edges". sxbr 25 is extremely soft, I think it doesn't make sense at all to use it if you have a GPU that's fast enough for at least 32 neurons of NNEDI3. I suspect there are quite some unwanted side effects when you try to sharpen sxbr 25 with "infinite" SR passes to a decent level. Btw: I really hope "sharpen edges" won't be more consuming than Adaptive Sharpen in the end. |
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I also don't like how NNEDI3 makes my HD7850 fans whine due to the high load and I especially don't like the artificial looking "thin lines" color NNEDI3 adds to all edges, I'll give you that sxbr+SR might look a little thick but the new "thin edges" with a low value might help. TBH I only bother posting screenshots comparisons when madshi demands them as I trust my eyes more than anything else and again to my eyes nothing can replace SR so it's a matter of feeding it a scaler that's not über-sharp to begin with. I've posted a .zip file with everything you need if you feel like tinkering |
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I would also add information that the system have two displays. One is the primary PC monitor. The second one is TV where the movies are played fullscreen. I operate mpc-hc from the main PC monitor taskbar (for this kind of test). I also updated mpc-hc from 1.7.9.202 to 1.7.9.213. It did not change the behavior. Last edited by ace960; 12th November 2015 at 19:16. |
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Crispen edges can look a little rough/aliased, which enhance detail brings out further. Nevertheless the two make my favorite combo with enhanced detail enabled under image enhancements. Thin edges seems to help with light haloing, looks better in upscaling refinement. In earlier versions I would normally prefer finesharp swhitching to lumasharpen if I saw artefacts. My sources are mostly live action. I always have Superres enabled in upscaling refinement.
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I don't like crispen edges either, with it alone image does look hardly shaper to my eyes and I don't find combinations with it very useful (rather combine SuperRes with a strength of 1 or 2 with sharpen edges and line thinning). It's also the only one of the new sharpeners that increases brightness.
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Yes, I occasionally get tearing on applications that don't use madVR, like Outlook.
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Yes, I tried all the four possible combinations involving use a separate device for presentation and use a separate device for DXVA processing. Even these didn't make a difference. |
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