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Old 5th January 2010, 01:34   #921  |  Link
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I'd like to help - just let me know how to create these dumper logs and supply me with the tool.

I have the xonar deluxe with a Pio receiver.

With TMT3, I can bitstream fine (DTS HD MA and TrueHD).

With MPC & FFDSHOW, I can bitstream fine with TrueHD but no audio with DTS HD MA.

On my system, I have vista 32 and recently installed Win 7 64 (but kept vista - I'm now dual-booting) so I can still test in 32 bit.

BTW, TMT3 bitstreams fine to the Pio in both Vista 32 and Win 7 64.
Yea, I know TMT3 is fine with the Xonar and the Pio. Just don't know why I'm getting the results I'm getting with ffdshow. I can't get TrueHD to work, either, and I know others can. So, something isn't right. albain has the dump tool, so, maybe PM him and tomorrow he'll probably send it to you with instructions on what he needs.
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Old 5th January 2010, 01:40   #922  |  Link
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I just tested WinDVD with a standard DVD (Body of Lies) using my 4670 (decoded audio). No dropouts with or without hardware acceleration. I'll test the same with the 5770 later.
gonna check again more thoroughly, but with LOTR 2 extended edition, I was getting drop outs as soon as I enabled some video processing that disables HW accel.

Wait... you said 4670. Still interesting.

Yep, tested with another DVD, this time disabling manually HW accel and dropouts still there. DD stereo track.

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So I can't really test my 4850. With software decoding, that machine really isn't fast enough to handle it. It pegs my CPU at like 95% and skips/drops/etc all over the place. I can't trust those results. With DXVA, flawless. How I wish we had a DTS-HD MA decoder cause the sound rocks, too. If I get the Onkyo 606 fixed and hooked up in there, I'm gonna have to figure out how to get the Xonar in that case and not fry the machine in the process. Either that or get a cheap 5xxx card for it.
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Wait... you said 4670. Still interesting.
Yeah, I'll try with the 5770 later.
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I edited above, just in case.
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So I can't really test my 4850. With software decoding, that machine really isn't fast enough to handle it. It pegs my CPU at like 95% and skips/drops/etc all over the place. I can't trust those results. With DXVA, flawless. How I wish we had a DTS-HD MA decoder cause the sound rocks, too. If I get the Onkyo 606 fixed and hooked up in there, I'm gonna have to figure out how to get the Xonar in that case and not fry the machine in the process. Either that or get a cheap 5xxx card for it.
clarkdale seems to be looking good. It can also bitstream with ffdshow, one AVS member already tested it.
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clarkdale seems to be looking good. It can also bitstream with ffdshow, one AVS member already tested it.
Yea, I saw that. It can, or will be able to soon, bitstream with TMT3, as well.
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And that's when it gets interesting...
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Old 5th January 2010, 03:18   #929  |  Link
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- If you have a xonar : won't work with directsound renderer, the best is to use the the arcsoft renderer (on a dos window in administrator mode : regsvr32 (total media path)\codecs\asrenderer.dll). Otherwise try the waveout or MPC renderer (don't know if they will work)
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I cannot find the file asrenderer.dll could you possibly mean ASAudioRenderer.dll?

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I cannot find the file asrenderer.dll could you possibly mean ASAudioRenderer.dll?

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Yes, that'd be the one.
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Ok, a little bird told me what I was missing on my setup for the Xonar to bitstream. Now that I fixed that, I'm "finally" getting the exact same issue as the 5xxx card with my Pio. The DTS-HD MA flashes and no audio. TrueHD works. So, we know it's not the bitstream type that's causing it, at least. albain, I'll get some logs up here shortly.
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http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m3794f3d0

This is the same DTS-HD MA 7.1 track I've been trying with.
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To go along with this, here are the properties the ArcSoft renderer is getting from ffdshow:

Code:
wFormatTag: 577
nChannels: 8
nSamplesPerSec: 192000
nAvgBytesPerSec: 3072000
nBlockAlign: 16
cbSize: 0
And same video from TMT3:

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wFormatTag: 577
nChannels: 8
nSamplesPerSec: 192000
nAvgBytesPerSec: 3072000
nBlockAlign: 16
wBitsPerSample: 16
cbSize: 0
As you can see, it's identical except for the wBitsPerSample addition. Yet TMT3 works, ffdshow doesn't. WTF?!
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Okay, the media structures are not in cause.

So the bitstream is

@Sebastii : could you make dumper logs with the same DTS-HD MA sample in the 2 following configs :

1/ TMT3 + xonar
2/ FFDShow in xonar mode + Arcsoft renderer

We should get the exact same timestamps and media structures and bitstreams but I guess this is not the reality.

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Yea, Xonar + TMT3 works perfectly, just as with the ATI and PDVD9. Yet either card with ffdshow gives me the exact same flashing DTS-HD MA result. TrueHD works with both, so, it appears to be something in the DTS-HD MA bitstream from ffdshow that's causing it. I hope Seb is able to get you the info you need. At least we're narrowing it down a little.
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Hi i'm on it i'll post log when i'm done
Thx,
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Thanks, Seb. I really hope this finds the issue.
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Old 5th January 2010, 20:12   #938  |  Link
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yes i hope too

So the log :
1/ TMT3 + xonar : DTS-MA-Xonar-TMT3

2/ FFDShow in xonar mode + Arcsoft renderer : DTSMA_MPC_FFDSHOW_ARCSOFT

I hope that the log are good
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Old 5th January 2010, 20:16   #939  |  Link
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Thanks. I'm going to take a peak at them now. Not sure if albain's around or not. I doubt there's much I can do with these logs but it doesn't hurt to look.
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Ah, Seb, you da man! The bitstream data is identical between the two. *HOWEVER*....

TMT3:
Code:
19:54:14-330 DumpWFEX
WAVEFORMATEX
  wFormatTag : WAVE_FORMAT_PCM
  Channels : 2
  Bits per sample : 16
  Samples per second :48000
  nBlockAlign : 4
ffdshow:
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WAVEFORMATEX
  wFormatTag : 577
  Channels : 8
  Bits per sample : 16
  Samples per second :192000
  nBlockAlign : 16
This is the same kind of difference I saw between PDVD9 and ffdshow that albain said was crazy. So, maybe it's not so crazy after all. At least you were able to confirm the bitstream data blocks are identical, so, that's good. Thanks, Seb, nice work!!
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