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Old 15th December 2007, 16:55   #2001  |  Link
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You got my explanation the wrong way. If you demux video, you *do* need to apply a delay in this specific case.
no I got it right, but what I wanted to point out that as far as I can say now it does look quite good / best without that delay, so atm it seems to be the opposite.
but I will have a look on more episodes more closely and then compare different scenes to see if this will be the same there. maybe those will show different.
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Old 16th December 2007, 19:00   #2002  |  Link
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EAC3toGUI Bug-Fix

Fellow Forum members,

The latest version (v1.49) of EAC3toGUI can be found here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xilu5v

Changes and features in this version include:

- Fixed small bug that prevented text in Command Line Preview window from "wrapping".


As usual, remember to use the settings menu option to tell EAC3toGUI where the eac3to executable
is located.

Please report any problems or feature requests.

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Old 16th December 2007, 20:40   #2003  |  Link
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hm why are DTS-HD HiRes track are patched from 16 to 24-bit?
the band of brothers tracks are all said to be 16-bit files at the beginning of eac3to command line, but then it patches the bitdepth to 24-bits and the filesize increases :S
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Old 17th December 2007, 10:04   #2004  |  Link
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Cannot convert LPCM file from HD-DVD

I posted this before in the audio thread, but was advised I should post here.

I try to convert the audio from the Eagles Farewell 1 Tour into flac, but no luck so far.

I uses EVOdemux to get the LPCM track. Track should be 48k, 2 channel, 24 bits. I changed the extension into RAW. eac3to is testing for RAW/PCM, but gives up.

E:\cod>eac3to.exe CONCERT_PT1_2.raw CONCERT_PT1_2.flac
This might be a RAW/PCM file. Trying to figure out the details.
This will probably take a while. Please be patient...
This doesn't seem to be a RAW/PCM file.
The format of the source file could not be detected.

Anything I can try?
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Old 17th December 2007, 10:40   #2005  |  Link
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something i just thought of.. do all the hd dvd/blu-ray sound formats have the lfe channel attenuated by 10db? for ac3, eac3, truehd, dts and dts-hd the nero/sonic decoders should handle the 10db boost, right? but what about the lpcm tracks?

the most obvious way to test would be with discs that have both lossless and pcm tracks i suppose, but i don't have any such discs myself..
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Hey guys, does anyone of you know how can I use Nero 7 or Sonic Scenarist BDA to encode a PCM track to TrueHD or DTS-HD MA?

and what about ffmpeg?

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I posted this before in the audio thread, but was advised I should post here.

I try to convert the audio from the Eagles Farewell 1 Tour into flac, but no luck so far.

I uses EVOdemux to get the LPCM track. Track should be 48k, 2 channel, 24 bits. I changed the extension into RAW. eac3to is testing for RAW/PCM, but gives up.

E:\cod>eac3to.exe CONCERT_PT1_2.raw CONCERT_PT1_2.flac
This might be a RAW/PCM file. Trying to figure out the details.
This will probably take a while. Please be patient...
This doesn't seem to be a RAW/PCM file.
The format of the source file could not be detected.

Anything I can try?
Did you try using the extension pcm instead of raw?
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Hey guys, does anyone of you know how can I use Nero 7 or Sonic Scenarist BDA to encode a PCM track to TrueHD or DTS-HD MA?

and what about ffmpeg?
Ofcourse You cant encode DTS HD MAS or TrueHD with any of these Tools and ofcourse not with ffmpeg

-DTS HD MAS Suite can encode all DTS Audio Formats
http://www.dtsonline.com/pro-audio/mas.php
~ 2000$

-Dolby Media Producer can encode all Dolby Media Formats
http://www.dolby.com/professional/pr...ng/DMP_01.html
~ 11000$

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I thought DTS HD MA Suite was included on scenarist like it's in cinevision

So the TrueHD and DTS HD MA support on these programs is just for decoding/muxing...

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I thought DTS HD MA Suite was included on scenarist like it's in cinevision

So the TrueHD and DTS HD MA support on these programs is just for decoding/muxing...

DTSHD MAS Encoder is a optional Extra for the in latest Cinevision Full Version ( all Codec Version)
http://www.sonic.com/products/Profes...sion/faqs.aspx
Q: What about audio encoding? Does CineVision include any audio codecs?
A: Sonic CineVision packages that include all video codecs include the DTS-HD Master Audio Suite encoder software from DTS, giving users the flexibility to encode all DTS codecs on a separate station to the CineVision video encoding application. The DTS-HD Master Audio Suite is an optional extra for some CineVision systems, please consult your Sonic representative for pricing information.

But hey..do not search for it in pirated Cinevsison 2.02
Its not included!
And theres no TrueHD Encoder in Cinevision.You can not TrueHD with it..only with the Dolby Suite

What you mean is general Codec Support in Scenarist/Cinevsison. That means you can open/use DTSHD/THD/DDP Files.

When you want to by the DTSHD MAS Encoder ,better do not get Cinevision. You need min. 70.609,20 €
There are no Consumer/freeware Encoder, as i told you.

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Did you try using the extension pcm instead of raw?
Thanks for the reply!

Yes tried PCM as extension, same result.

I'm starting to wonder if the demux process has something wrong
or there is something special about 24 bit PCM on HD-DVD?

Maybe the best way to trouble shoot is to generate a known
good 24 bit 2 channel LPCM track and try to feed that into eac3to.
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DTSHD MAS Encoder is a optional Extra for the in latest Cinevision Full Version ( all Codec Version)
http://www.sonic.com/products/Profes...sion/faqs.aspx
Q: What about audio encoding? Does CineVision include any audio codecs?
A: Sonic CineVision packages that include all video codecs include the DTS-HD Master Audio Suite encoder software from DTS, giving users the flexibility to encode all DTS codecs on a separate station to the CineVision video encoding application. The DTS-HD Master Audio Suite is an optional extra for some CineVision systems, please consult your Sonic representative for pricing information.

But hey..do not search for it in pirated Cinevsison 2.02
Its not included!
And theres no TrueHD Encoder in Cinevision.You can not TrueHD with it..only with the Dolby Suite

What you mean is general Codec Support in Scenarist/Cinevsison. That means you can open/use DTSHD/THD/DDP Files.

When you want to by the DTSHD MAS Encoder ,better do not get Cinevision. You need min. 70.609,20
There are no Consumer/freeware Encoder, as i told you.
Ok thanks
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Old 18th December 2007, 20:36   #2013  |  Link
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Thanks to madshi for updating this excellent tool. Seems like WAV/RAW is more supported now since last time I checked.

I have a question that someone here might be able to answer (maybe madshi with all your experience with the sound formats?).

I cannot seem to be able to import a DD+ or TrueHD track that comes from an HD-DVD into Scenarist BDA? Scenarist says it cannot find some kind of code that should be there for it to recognize the file as a DD+ or trueHD track? I can post the detailed message tonight when I am at home.

Anybody knows if there is a difference between the DD+ and truehd formats between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray?

I have no problems importing DTS-HD or DTS-HD MA audio files from HD-DVD to scenarist BDA. I only have the problem with DD+ and TrueHD.

Of course, I am trying to find a solution without recompressing or without going to LPCM.

Thanks in advance for any help.
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What does it have to do with eac3to?
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What does it have to do with eac3to?
This was not too helpful but very well, I made a new thread for my question.
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Fellow Forum members,

The latest version (v1.49) of EAC3toGUI can be found here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xilu5v

Changes and features in this version include:

- Fixed small bug that prevented text in Command Line Preview window from "wrapping".


As usual, remember to use the settings menu option to tell EAC3toGUI where the eac3to executable
is located.
Thanks! I've uploaded it to my server.

One little suggestion: Would you consider adding WM_DROPFILES support? That would allow users to drag & drop source files onto EAC3toGUI. Also you could allow users to drag & drop "eac3to.exe" on your main form. That would tell you in which path eac3to.exe is located.
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hm why are DTS-HD HiRes track are patched from 16 to 24-bit?
the band of brothers tracks are all said to be 16-bit files at the beginning of eac3to command line, but then it patches the bitdepth to 24-bits and the filesize increases :S
The decoder always calculates 24bit for DTS-HD Hi-Res tracks. Sonic normally dithers down to 16bit internally. If you want to have it that way you can use the undocumented switch "-dontPatchDts". That will disable to 16bit->24bit patching. Alternatively you could also ask eac3to to dither down to 16bit. I don't know whether Sonic's or my down dithering has a better quality.

Which is your target format? FLAC? How about dithering down to 18bit then?
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I posted this before in the audio thread, but was advised I should post here.

I try to convert the audio from the Eagles Farewell 1 Tour into flac, but no luck so far.

I uses EVOdemux to get the LPCM track. Track should be 48k, 2 channel, 24 bits. I changed the extension into RAW. eac3to is testing for RAW/PCM, but gives up.

E:\cod>eac3to.exe CONCERT_PT1_2.raw CONCERT_PT1_2.flac
This might be a RAW/PCM file. Trying to figure out the details.
This will probably take a while. Please be patient...
This doesn't seem to be a RAW/PCM file.
The format of the source file could not be detected.

Anything I can try?
Yes, you can try the next eac3to version. More about that later...
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something i just thought of.. do all the hd dvd/blu-ray sound formats have the lfe channel attenuated by 10db? for ac3, eac3, truehd, dts and dts-hd the nero/sonic decoders should handle the 10db boost, right? but what about the lpcm tracks?
The receiver should apply the 10db boost when it receives multichannel audio over either analog connection or as PCM over HDMI.
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eac3to v2.09 released

http://madshi.net/eac3to.zip

Code:
* EVO demuxing added with proper delays for all audio tracks
* EVO file joining/rebuilding added
* automated EVO video remuxing (Matroska) added
* automated rewriting of Matroska timestamps to 24p via mkvtoolnix added
* multiple operations on the source file can now be run at the same time
* switch "-test" tests all external DirectShow filters and tools
* latest ffmpeg/libav TrueHD and E-AC3 decoder patches included
* latest libAften build included
* libav TrueHD decoder is now the default decoder for TrueHD/MLP
* support for libav DTS decoding added
* fixed a whole lot of bugs (and might have added a few new ones)
Let me stress one new feature so that it won't go unnoticed:

full EVO demuxing/remuxing support added

It's a bit difficult to explain all the new features. Let me simply give you a few examples to get you going:

Example 1:
This one looks really simple. Basically it encodes the source PCM file to both AC3 and FLAC - at the same time! This saves time because the source file only needs to be read once:
Code:
eac3to source.pcm dest.ac3 dest.flac
Example 2:
This example demuxes the first PCM, TrueHD or DTS Master Audio track that is stored in the EVO container and transcodes it to FLAC:
Code:
eac3to source.evo dest.flac
Example 3:
This example demuxes the first video track and all audio tracks of the whole HD DVD movie:
Code:
eac3to FEATURE_1.EVO+FEATURE_2.EVO -demux
Example 4:
Now it gets more complicated. First let's list the contents of the EVO source:
Code:
eac3to FEATURE_1.EVO+FEATURE_2.EVO
eac3to analyzes the source files and outputs something like this:
Code:
EVO/VOB, 2 video tracks, 5 audio tracks, 1:55:18
1: Joined EVO/VOB file
2: VC-1
3: VC-1
4: TrueHD, 5.1 channels, 48khz, dialnorm: -24dB
5: E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 384kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -17ms
6: E-AC3, 5.1 channels, 384kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -17ms
7: E-AC3, 2.0 channels, 192kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -17ms
8: E-AC3, 2.0 channels, 192kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB, -4ms
As you can see, all video and audio tracks are listed. Now instead of using the "-demux" or "-auto" options, which do everything automatically, you can manually decide what to do. The following command muxes the primary VC-1 video track to MKV and transcodes the TrueHD track to FLAC:
Code:
eac3to FEATURE_1.EVO+FEATURE_2.EVO 2: video.mkv 4: english.flac
Example 5:
Same EVO files as in Example 4. Now the following command will simply join the EVO files (same functionality as "rebuild" in EvoDemux).
Code:
eac3to FEATURE_1.EVO+FEATURE_2.EVO joined.evo
Example 5:
The following command line muxes the primary video track to MKV and rewrites the timestamps to 23.976. Furthermore all AC3, E-AC3, DTS and DTS-HD Hi-Res tracks are demuxed. And all PCM, TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio tracks are automatically converted to FLAC:
Code:
eac3to FEATURE_1.EVO+FEATURE_2.EVO movie.mkv
The whole EVO demuxing/remuxing functionality should automatically handle all video and audio delay correctly. So the final video and audio files should all be in perfect sync. There are 2 limitations, though:
(1) Delaying of bitstream formats (AC3, E-AC3, DTS) still isn't supported. So the necessary delay value is added to the file name. You can do the delaying by using delaycut.
(2) I think I got all the delay stuff right, but we'll only find out with LOTS of testing.

Generally because there was so much functionality added in this version please expect new bugs to show up. Especially the new EVO features will need a lot of testing...

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