How to generate a correct raw h.264 video?

Rouhi · 29th May 2013, 03:48

Hi
Raw format videos such as raw h.264 videos (.264) does not have any container and sometimes it ended up with some malfunctioning. for example when i want to convert any .mp4 video to raw .264 format, the encoded video plays two times faster than the original mp4 video, which is probably due to lack of timing information in the raw format. i used ffmpeg command for the encoding.
Can you suggest any solution for this problem? maybe you offer other tools for generating .264 files.

cheers

osgZach · 29th May 2013, 07:51

I'm guessing it was something to do with the way you converted it and / or the command line you used.

But if you want a no hassle way to encode a raw .264 you could use any decent front-end i.e MeGUI (uses x264) which will let you output a .h264 file only if you choose.

Load up MeGUI, and from the Tools Dropdown Menu, run the File Indexer (use ffmpegsource as the indexer for mkv/mp4 files), select whether you want audio demuxed or not, and after you're done setting things up hit the queue button. It will index the file.
Next select AVS script creator (which you shouldn't need to touch if you're not doing anything to the video) and select the generated index file. Hit "Save" and the AVS will be auto-loaded into the "Video encoding" section of the main window. Set your encoding profile, set output to RAWAVC, queue and wait.

Done.

MasterNobody · 29th May 2013, 17:51

If it is playing exactly twice as fast as was original and not some fixed fps than it mostly sound as problem of parser/decoder part and not encoding part. IIRC there was bug like this in VLC. What are you using to play the files?

Guest · 29th May 2013, 19:01

Use x264.exe with the correct --fps option to generate proper vui data.

Rouhi · 31st May 2013, 06:27

MasterNobody: I use ffplay for playing the file. And i guess you noticed correctly the reason.
neuron2 & osgZach: I didnt use x264 but i found out using Mencoder can help me to encode any video to raw .264 file format without any problem in the playback file. But i dont know how to ask Mencoder to put an I-frame on each second of the video, no less and no more...Whats your advise? is it possible to request it from encoder?

Rouhi · 10th June 2013, 01:57

I noticed that when i use Mencoder to encode a video stream to a raw .264 video stream, the result is not actually a .264. it is an AVI in fact, with header and all the other parts needed by a container such as AVI. just the extension is .264.
do you have any idea how to generate a pure .264 stream by mencoder?

Blue_MiSfit · 10th June 2013, 06:04

Neuron2 has answered your question already. Have you tried this?

Here's an example command line, including your unusual request for a fixed one second IDR interval.

Code:

x264.exe --input foo.avs --fps 25 --keyint 25 --no-scenecut --output bar.264

Add --b-adapt 0 if you want to make the GOP truly fixed.

Rouhi · 11th June 2013, 08:12

Thanks for your reply.
I used the x264 and you can see the result as bellow. (The video fps is 30 and i used this value instead of 25 in your example)
But still when i play the result it plays so fast even more than the time i use ffmpeg as encoder.
please notice the result of x264 encoder at the last line. It says 20 fps but i mentioned 3o in encoding command. I really confused.

C:\>x264.exe --fps 30 --keyint 30 --no-scenecut --b-adapt 0 -o "c:\zarix264.264" "c:\zari.mp4"

ffms [info]: 1280x720p 0:1 @ 4283/143 fps (cfr)
x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.1 Cache64
x264 [info]: profile High, level 3.1
x264 [info]: frame I:13 Avg QP:20.48 size: 47230
x264 [info]: frame P:101 Avg QP:23.90 size: 12712
x264 [info]: frame B:265 Avg QP:26.67 size: 3545
x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 6.6% 0.5% 0.0% 92.9%
x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 22.0% 55.2% 22.8%
x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 1.9% 2.7% 0.3% P16..4: 49.3% 14.0% 7.2% 0.0% 0
.0% skip:24.6%
x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 0.1% 0.1% 0.0% B16..8: 42.6% 2.0% 0.2% direct:
1.6% skip:53.4% L0:45.0% L1:52.5% BI: 2.4%
x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:54.9% inter:89.5%
x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 60.0% 72.4% 32.4% inter: 9.6% 23.2% 0.3%
x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 51% 20% 8% 21%
x264 [info]: i8 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 31% 20% 11% 5% 6% 6% 6% 9% 6%
x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 34% 22% 7% 5% 8% 7% 6% 7% 4%
x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 38% 21% 27% 14%
x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:2.0% UV:1.0%
x264 [info]: ref P L0: 62.4% 11.1% 20.0% 6.4% 0.0%
x264 [info]: ref B L0: 87.7% 10.5% 1.8%
x264 [info]: ref B L1: 94.7% 5.3%
x264 [info]: kb/s:1796.74

encoded 379 frames, 20.21 fps, 1796.74 kb/s

C:\>ffplay zarix264.264
ffplay version N-53577-gced0307 Copyright (c) 2003-2013 the FFmpeg developers
built on May 28 2013 12:27:19 with gcc 4.7.3 (GCC)
configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --disable-w32threads --enable-av
isynth --enable-bzlib --enable-fontconfig --enable-frei0r --enable-gnutls --enab
le-iconv --enable-libass --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enable-libfreetyp
e --enable-libgsm --enable-libilbc --enable-libmodplug --enable-libmp3lame --ena
ble-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-l
ibopus --enable-librtmp --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libsoxr --enable-libsp
eex --enable-libtheora --enable-libtwolame --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-
amrwbenc --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264 --enable-libxavs --
enable-libxvid --enable-zlib
libavutil 52. 34.100 / 52. 34.100
libavcodec 55. 12.100 / 55. 12.100
libavformat 55. 7.100 / 55. 7.100
libavdevice 55. 1.101 / 55. 1.101
libavfilter 3. 72.100 / 3. 72.100
libswscale 2. 3.100 / 2. 3.100
libswresample 0. 17.102 / 0. 17.102
libpostproc 52. 3.100 / 52. 3.100
[h264 @ 0000000002489220] max_analyze_duration 5000000 reached at 5000000 micros
econds
Input #0, h264, from 'zarix264.264':
Duration: N/A, bitrate: N/A
Stream #0:0: Video: h264 (High), yuv420p, 1280x720, 30 fps, 30 tbr, 1200k tb
n, 60 tbc
nan A-V: 0.000 fd= 0 aq= 0KB vq= 41KB sq= 0B f=0/0

C:\>

J_Darnley · 11th June 2013, 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rouhi

encoded 379 frames, 20.21 fps, 1796.74 kb/s

That is the speed at which x264 encoded the video. As in it encoded 379 frames in 18.75 seconds. Not the video's framerate.

Rouhi · 12th June 2013, 07:44

ok, you are right.
assume that i want to play the raw .264 file. how can i play it normally? it does not have any time frame so ffplay can not show it in normal speed (fps) when i play the .264 file. Do you suggest any player to cope the problem?
BTW, if i want to force the .264 video stream has only one single i-frame per second, how can i do that by x264?
Thanks

Blue_MiSfit · 12th June 2013, 10:06

If your input video is indeed 30fps, then you are forcing one I frame per second in your command line.

I'm not sure why ffplay isn't playing correctly.

Rouhi · 13th June 2013, 08:12

if --b-adapt 0 make a fixed GoP, with an I-frame in each group, what if our video contains some huge scene changes in less than a second? how the raw .264 stream can handle this?
I say this because naturally encoders should create new I-Frames for every massive scene changes, regardless of their time frame, otherwise encoder would not be able to predict the content of following P and B frames from the previous frames. whats your suggestion?

sneaker_ger · 13th June 2013, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rouhi

But i dont know how to ask Mencoder to put an I-frame on each second of the video, no less and no more...Whats your advise? is it possible to request it from encoder?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rouhi

if --b-adapt 0 make a fixed GoP, with an I-frame in each group, what if our video contains some huge scene changes in less than a second? how the raw .264 stream can handle this?
I say this because naturally encoders should create new I-Frames for every massive scene changes, regardless of their time frame, otherwise encoder would not be able to predict the content of following P and B frames from the previous frames. whats your suggestion?

You have to make up your mind first. You either want a fixed gop with exactly one I(DR) frame after every second OR you want scenecut detection. You cannot have both. Usually, you do not want a fixed gop, but just tell the encoder to use at least one keyframe per second, i.e. leave scenecut detection on and just set --keyint to whatever maximum keyframe interval you want.

Rouhi · 14th June 2013, 01:31

Actually i dont want scenecut detection. What i want is exactly one I-Frame in each second. Thats it. And if i get the time -slice of that i-frame, then it would be great more than enough .......
FFMPEG could not do that for me. I hope x264 can do.

29th May 2013, 03:48	#1 \| Link
Rouhi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 64	How to generate a correct raw h.264 video? Hi Raw format videos such as raw h.264 videos (.264) does not have any container and sometimes it ended up with some malfunctioning. for example when i want to convert any .mp4 video to raw .264 format, the encoded video plays two times faster than the original mp4 video, which is probably due to lack of timing information in the raw format. i used ffmpeg command for the encoding. Can you suggest any solution for this problem? maybe you offer other tools for generating .264 files. cheers

29th May 2013, 07:51	#2 \| Link
osgZach Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Posts: 676	I'm guessing it was something to do with the way you converted it and / or the command line you used. But if you want a no hassle way to encode a raw .264 you could use any decent front-end i.e MeGUI (uses x264) which will let you output a .h264 file only if you choose. Load up MeGUI, and from the Tools Dropdown Menu, run the File Indexer (use ffmpegsource as the indexer for mkv/mp4 files), select whether you want audio demuxed or not, and after you're done setting things up hit the queue button. It will index the file. Next select AVS script creator (which you shouldn't need to touch if you're not doing anything to the video) and select the generated index file. Hit "Save" and the AVS will be auto-loaded into the "Video encoding" section of the main window. Set your encoding profile, set output to RAWAVC, queue and wait. Done. Last edited by osgZach; 29th May 2013 at 08:01.

10th June 2013, 06:04	#7 \| Link
Blue_MiSfit Derek Prestegard IRL Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,989	Neuron2 has answered your question already. Have you tried this? Here's an example command line, including your unusual request for a fixed one second IDR interval. Code: x264.exe --input foo.avs --fps 25 --keyint 25 --no-scenecut --output bar.264 Add --b-adapt 0 if you want to make the GOP truly fixed. __________________ These are all my personal statements, not those of my employer :)

12th June 2013, 10:06	#11 \| Link
Blue_MiSfit Derek Prestegard IRL Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,989	If your input video is indeed 30fps, then you are forcing one I frame per second in your command line. I'm not sure why ffplay isn't playing correctly. __________________ These are all my personal statements, not those of my employer :)

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MasterNobody Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 552	If it is playing exactly twice as fast as was original and not some fixed fps than it mostly sound as problem of parser/decoder part and not encoding part. IIRC there was bug like this in VLC. What are you using to play the files?

29th May 2013, 19:01	#4 \| Link
Guest Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 21,901	Use x264.exe with the correct --fps option to generate proper vui data.

31st May 2013, 06:27	#5 \| Link
Rouhi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 64	MasterNobody: I use ffplay for playing the file. And i guess you noticed correctly the reason. neuron2 & osgZach: I didnt use x264 but i found out using Mencoder can help me to encode any video to raw .264 file format without any problem in the playback file. But i dont know how to ask Mencoder to put an I-frame on each second of the video, no less and no more...Whats your advise? is it possible to request it from encoder?

10th June 2013, 01:57	#6 \| Link
Rouhi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 64	I noticed that when i use Mencoder to encode a video stream to a raw .264 video stream, the result is not actually a .264. it is an AVI in fact, with header and all the other parts needed by a container such as AVI. just the extension is .264. do you have any idea how to generate a pure .264 stream by mencoder?

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Rouhi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 64	Thanks for your reply. I used the x264 and you can see the result as bellow. (The video fps is 30 and i used this value instead of 25 in your example) But still when i play the result it plays so fast even more than the time i use ffmpeg as encoder. please notice the result of x264 encoder at the last line. It says 20 fps but i mentioned 3o in encoding command. I really confused. C:\>x264.exe --fps 30 --keyint 30 --no-scenecut --b-adapt 0 -o "c:\zarix264.264" "c:\zari.mp4" ffms [info]: 1280x720p 0:1 @ 4283/143 fps (cfr) x264 [info]: using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.1 Cache64 x264 [info]: profile High, level 3.1 x264 [info]: frame I:13 Avg QP:20.48 size: 47230 x264 [info]: frame P:101 Avg QP:23.90 size: 12712 x264 [info]: frame B:265 Avg QP:26.67 size: 3545 x264 [info]: consecutive B-frames: 6.6% 0.5% 0.0% 92.9% x264 [info]: mb I I16..4: 22.0% 55.2% 22.8% x264 [info]: mb P I16..4: 1.9% 2.7% 0.3% P16..4: 49.3% 14.0% 7.2% 0.0% 0 .0% skip:24.6% x264 [info]: mb B I16..4: 0.1% 0.1% 0.0% B16..8: 42.6% 2.0% 0.2% direct: 1.6% skip:53.4% L0:45.0% L1:52.5% BI: 2.4% x264 [info]: 8x8 transform intra:54.9% inter:89.5% x264 [info]: coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 60.0% 72.4% 32.4% inter: 9.6% 23.2% 0.3% x264 [info]: i16 v,h,dc,p: 51% 20% 8% 21% x264 [info]: i8 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 31% 20% 11% 5% 6% 6% 6% 9% 6% x264 [info]: i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 34% 22% 7% 5% 8% 7% 6% 7% 4% x264 [info]: i8c dc,h,v,p: 38% 21% 27% 14% x264 [info]: Weighted P-Frames: Y:2.0% UV:1.0% x264 [info]: ref P L0: 62.4% 11.1% 20.0% 6.4% 0.0% x264 [info]: ref B L0: 87.7% 10.5% 1.8% x264 [info]: ref B L1: 94.7% 5.3% x264 [info]: kb/s:1796.74 encoded 379 frames, 20.21 fps, 1796.74 kb/s C:\>ffplay zarix264.264 ffplay version N-53577-gced0307 Copyright (c) 2003-2013 the FFmpeg developers built on May 28 2013 12:27:19 with gcc 4.7.3 (GCC) configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --disable-w32threads --enable-av isynth --enable-bzlib --enable-fontconfig --enable-frei0r --enable-gnutls --enab le-iconv --enable-libass --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enable-libfreetyp e --enable-libgsm --enable-libilbc --enable-libmodplug --enable-libmp3lame --ena ble-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-l ibopus --enable-librtmp --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libsoxr --enable-libsp eex --enable-libtheora --enable-libtwolame --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo- amrwbenc --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libx264 --enable-libxavs -- enable-libxvid --enable-zlib libavutil 52. 34.100 / 52. 34.100 libavcodec 55. 12.100 / 55. 12.100 libavformat 55. 7.100 / 55. 7.100 libavdevice 55. 1.101 / 55. 1.101 libavfilter 3. 72.100 / 3. 72.100 libswscale 2. 3.100 / 2. 3.100 libswresample 0. 17.102 / 0. 17.102 libpostproc 52. 3.100 / 52. 3.100 [h264 @ 0000000002489220] max_analyze_duration 5000000 reached at 5000000 micros econds Input #0, h264, from 'zarix264.264': Duration: N/A, bitrate: N/A Stream #0:0: Video: h264 (High), yuv420p, 1280x720, 30 fps, 30 tbr, 1200k tb n, 60 tbc nan A-V: 0.000 fd= 0 aq= 0KB vq= 41KB sq= 0B f=0/0 C:\>

12th June 2013, 07:44	#10 \| Link
Rouhi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 64	ok, you are right. assume that i want to play the raw .264 file. how can i play it normally? it does not have any time frame so ffplay can not show it in normal speed (fps) when i play the .264 file. Do you suggest any player to cope the problem? BTW, if i want to force the .264 video stream has only one single i-frame per second, how can i do that by x264? Thanks

13th June 2013, 08:12	#12 \| Link
Rouhi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 64	if --b-adapt 0 make a fixed GoP, with an I-frame in each group, what if our video contains some huge scene changes in less than a second? how the raw .264 stream can handle this? I say this because naturally encoders should create new I-Frames for every massive scene changes, regardless of their time frame, otherwise encoder would not be able to predict the content of following P and B frames from the previous frames. whats your suggestion?

14th June 2013, 01:31	#14 \| Link
Rouhi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 64	Actually i dont want scenecut detection. What i want is exactly one I-Frame in each second. Thats it. And if i get the time -slice of that i-frame, then it would be great more than enough ....... FFMPEG could not do that for me. I hope x264 can do.