FFMPEG violate MPEGLA licensing? - Page 6

MatLz · 5th September 2010, 19:32

I found these links :

www.mpegla.com
and
www.ffmpeg.org

There a lot of interested informations !

Doom9 · 5th September 2010, 19:34

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Yes, and the moderator rules specifically say that what he did was against the rules -- and that what I did wasn't.

In all fairness - that quote is from the latest revision of the moderator rules.. they were created after the fact. Prior to that, there were only informal rules and nothing about vested interests in software.

And MatLz is right, we really need to get back to topic.
I think it has been fairly well established that a source code only distribution is in no violation of any licensing contract. So ffmpeg is okay, x264 is okay and we could go on. We're also not the MPEGLA's enforcing arm.. so if you distribute binaries on your own, you're responsable for your own actions.

What I'm unsure about though is... say you distribute binaries.. noncommercially and in small numbers. Do you need to register with the MPEGLA even if the number if binaries you provide falls under the treshold? And if so, how do both parties ensure that the number of distributed binaries remains under that treshold over the years?

Guest · 5th September 2010, 19:37

Yes, you must have a license from MPEGLA. As a licensee you are required to report at least annually. The license contains a clause giving MPEGLA the right to conduct an audit of your compliance, at your site if they so desire.

BTW, my signed license was submitted last week.

Sharktooth · 5th September 2010, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Doom9

What I'm unsure about though is... say you distribute binaries.. noncommercially and in small numbers. Do you need to register with the MPEGLA even if the number if binaries you provide falls under the treshold? And if so, how do both parties ensure that the number of distributed binaries remains under that treshold over the years?

regarding this topic, ill move the megui update server from us to somewhere else. i've already talked with some ppl and i will soon contact richard berg about the megui.org domain.

Guest · 5th September 2010, 19:42

Is it possible to host some DGMPGDec binaries there also?

Sharktooth · 5th September 2010, 19:45

sure, no problem. just give me an estimate of dgmpgdec monthly web traffic on your domain.

Guest · 5th September 2010, 19:50

Now I'm thinking it's available already bundled with MEGUI, so that should be sufficient.

mariush · 5th September 2010, 19:52

I would have offered to help you out with hosting (as I already help Mulder with updates for his apps) but I'll probably move my dedicated servers to US soon and I doubt you'd be interested then... I'd suggest you get megui.net while it's available just to be on the safe side... if you're interested but don't have funds i could get it for you and transfer it later on.

later edit: Sharktooh, I was just thinking about the whole ordeal with koepi.org which was lost and is not just a placeholder with ads, koepi.info being the proper site now. For me at least, koepi was the "reference" place to download xvid binaries...

Sharktooth · 5th September 2010, 20:00

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Originally Posted by neuron2

Now I'm thinking it's available already bundled with MEGUI, so that should be sufficient.

yes, unless newer versions...

@mariush: i dont really care about the domain. for example megui.org is not mine... however, if you want to register it i wont say no.

Guest · 5th September 2010, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Sharktooth

yes, unless newer versions...

Presumably you would absorb them in a timely fashion if I notify you of them. New versions of DGMPGDec are infrequent nowadays.

Sharktooth · 5th September 2010, 20:05

seems reasonable

kieranrk · 5th September 2010, 20:50

You may be interested to hear that MPEG-LA will also ask you to list your distribution of H.264 decoders in the past (and pay fees if necessary) as part of your agreement. I assume you will declare the correct number of downloads for DGAVCDec.

hank315 · 5th September 2010, 21:14

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Originally Posted by kieranrk

You may be interested to hear that MPEG-LA will also ask you to list your distribution of H.264 decoders in the past (and pay fees if necessary) as part of your agreement.

How do you know that?

linyx · 5th September 2010, 23:38

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Originally Posted by neuron2

Members are free to review the original thread to see that you misrepresent reality.

Well, that depends on who controls reality, doesn't it?

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I never posted "anyone who discusses X will be struck". This is a plain and simple fabrication.

With all due respect, with the extensive use of moderator power being employed here, how could anyone know what you did or didn't post?

Guest · 5th September 2010, 23:50

I didn't post that. Are you calling me a liar?

linyx · 6th September 2010, 00:03

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Originally Posted by neuron2

I didn't post that. Are you calling me a liar?

I am simply saying you like to change history quite frequently, and subsequently it is impossible to tell what was or wasn't said. I am not calling you a liar. I am; however, saying you overuse your moderator power in the deletion and editing of threads and posts.

Dark Shikari · 6th September 2010, 00:08

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Originally Posted by neuron2

That is incorrect. I instructed that the discussion be moved to a new thread, and this very thread is the result! I did not ban any discussion. Members are free to review the original thread to see that you misrepresent reality.

And then you struck multiple people for starting new threads anyways.

Don't try to lie your way out of this one; I have list of people who did exactly what you told them to do, and nevertheless you struck them anyways and deleted their threads.

This thread is the result after you got bored of striking people.

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Originally Posted by neuron2

I didn't post that. Are you calling me a liar?

You said specifically that any post on the topic in that thread would be deleted -- using your moderator powers to keep negative posts out of a thread about your commercial software. Deletion of posts was, in all cases, followed up with a strike. Again, don't try to lie your way out of this one. We saved all your posts.

Guest · 6th September 2010, 00:09

@linyx

You're welcome to your opinions, but in this specific case, put up or shut up. If I ask Doom9 to review the edits on that thread and he states that I never posted what DS claimed I did and which you questioned, will you apologize for casting doubt on my credibility in this case?

Guest · 6th September 2010, 00:11

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Originally Posted by Dark Shikari

And then you struck multiple people for starting new threads anyways.

That is not correct. They were struck for insults and rule 3/17 violations.

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This thread is the result after you got bored of striking people.

That is not correct. The strikes to other people were issued after this thread was created.

Dark Shikari · 6th September 2010, 00:13

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Originally Posted by neuron2

That is not correct. The strikes to other people were issued after this thread was created.

That is a lie. I have logs on IRC of people posting threads specifically about the relevant topic. They then said you deleted their posts and struck them. Roughly 3-5 people tried this. All had their threads deleted and struck. None posted insults. All attempted civil discussion of the topic.

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Originally Posted by neuron2

That is not correct. They were struck for insults and rule 3/17 violations.

We all know that you strike people for whatever you want, regardless of what they actually did. What you "struck people for" is a meaningless formality.

"Discussion of something related to neuron2" == "discussion of moderation" == "you can ban us whenever you want".

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Originally Posted by laserfan

I wonder sir, here you are, with conflicting statements, in the very same posting(s).

Note how I am not posting outside this thread.

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Originally Posted by laserfan

If you want to "fix Doom9" why don't you carry on a PM with Doom9, rather than continue this very ugly public feuding?

I already did. If he wants to stop neuron2, he can do so right now with no debate. If he doesn't, that's his fault, not mine.

5th September 2010, 19:32	#101 \| Link
MatLz I often say "maybe"... Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: France Posts: 583	I found these links : www.mpegla.com and www.ffmpeg.org There a lot of interested informations ! __________________ We are spitting food to these hungry eyes. You see they ask, we know they are greedy of our rot. Better than to give jam to pigs. x264 r2146 MOD

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Guest Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 21,901	Yes, you must have a license from MPEGLA. As a licensee you are required to report at least annually. The license contains a clause giving MPEGLA the right to conduct an audit of your compliance, at your site if they so desire. BTW, my signed license was submitted last week. Last edited by Guest; 5th September 2010 at 19:40.

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Sharktooth Mr. Sandman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Haddonfield, IL Posts: 11,768	sure, no problem. just give me an estimate of dgmpgdec monthly web traffic on your domain. __________________ MPEG-4 ASP Custom Matrices: EQM V1(old), EQM AutoGK Sharpmatrix (aka EQM V2), EQM V3HR (updated 01/10/2004), EQM V3LR, EQM V3ULR (updated 04/02/2005), EQM V3UHR (updated 17/12/2004) and EQM V3EHR (updated 05/10/2004) Info about my ASP matrices. MPEG-4 AVC Custom Matrices: EQM AVC-HR Info about my AVC matrices My x264 builds. Mooo!!!

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mariush Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 589	I would have offered to help you out with hosting (as I already help Mulder with updates for his apps) but I'll probably move my dedicated servers to US soon and I doubt you'd be interested then... I'd suggest you get megui.net while it's available just to be on the safe side... if you're interested but don't have funds i could get it for you and transfer it later on. later edit: Sharktooh, I was just thinking about the whole ordeal with koepi.org which was lost and is not just a placeholder with ads, koepi.info being the proper site now. For me at least, koepi was the "reference" place to download xvid binaries... Last edited by mariush; 5th September 2010 at 20:22.

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Sharktooth Mr. Sandman Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Haddonfield, IL Posts: 11,768	seems reasonable __________________ MPEG-4 ASP Custom Matrices: EQM V1(old), EQM AutoGK Sharpmatrix (aka EQM V2), EQM V3HR (updated 01/10/2004), EQM V3LR, EQM V3ULR (updated 04/02/2005), EQM V3UHR (updated 17/12/2004) and EQM V3EHR (updated 05/10/2004) Info about my ASP matrices. MPEG-4 AVC Custom Matrices: EQM AVC-HR Info about my AVC matrices My x264 builds. Mooo!!!

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Guest Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 21,901	Is it possible to host some DGMPGDec binaries there also?

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Guest Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 21,901	Now I'm thinking it's available already bundled with MEGUI, so that should be sufficient.

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kieranrk Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 707	You may be interested to hear that MPEG-LA will also ask you to list your distribution of H.264 decoders in the past (and pay fees if necessary) as part of your agreement. I assume you will declare the correct number of downloads for DGAVCDec. __________________ Authoring Professional Blu-rays with x264 - Open Broadcast Encoder

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Guest Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 21,901	I didn't post that. Are you calling me a liar?

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Guest Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 21,901	@linyx You're welcome to your opinions, but in this specific case, put up or shut up. If I ask Doom9 to review the edits on that thread and he states that I never posted what DS claimed I did and which you questioned, will you apologize for casting doubt on my credibility in this case?