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13th December 2018, 20:31 | #1 | Link |
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Strong majority of active mobile devices are HEVC hardware capable
The vast majority of mobile devices support hardware HEVC playback. @scientiamobile licenses the MOVR device identification API to many top mobile app developers. At the end of Q2, they found that 78% of iOS devices and 57% of Android devices requesting video streams were HEVC hardware capable. This is quality data, with excellent worldwide coverage. https://www.scientiamobile.com/wp-co...8-Q2-final.pdf
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14th December 2018, 18:17 | #3 | Link | |
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Most top-tier video streaming services have either already streaming HEVC or are working to implement HEVC support. I know of 2 well-known services that are already streaming more HEVC than AVC (which is easy to do when most of your content is available in both formats). The added cost of encoding and CDN storage to make a VOD catalog or live channels available in both is far outweighed by the benefit of the big reduction in network costs and the major improvement in video quality for those who don't have enough bandwidth to get the top quality rendition (in your ABR streaming stack). When you do the math, HEVC is an absolute no-brainer. |
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14th December 2018, 20:50 | #4 | Link | |
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I think that is only the case with HEVC Advance right? MPEG-LA you still have paid for distribution? And Valos and I cant even remember what's the other pool. Youtube aren't doing any HEVC. If Content is free not sure why Google hate it other than NIH. If it is free why Mozilla and Microsoft don't have free Software HEVC decoder included? While it is good to know most devices are now HEVC capable. It seems to have a bad reputation that is beyond fixable. I hope VVC wont repeat the same mistake again. |
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Video services usually don't distribute player client apps with software decoders. The player app queries the device to discover the capabilities, and if the device supports HEVC, they may use it. In that case it's a hardware decoder on the device that handles the HEVC.
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Even if Google and Mozilla chose to include software decoders, only MPEG LA would technically want to collect a patent royalty. But if they pushed the MPEG LA companies to support the software policy that I convinced HEVC Advance to adopt (effectively meaning no royalty for browsers), I suspect they would get support. Quote:
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The nice thing about mobile is that the replacement rate is so high, so those 8-bit only handsets will be flushed out of the market in a few years (faster for phones than tablets). Living room devices have all been 10-bit for 3+ years. Which is good given the slower replacement cycle. |
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4th February 2019, 04:53 | #11 | Link |
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Are you kidding me? Anyone who streams 4K content to a TV, basically. I'd say the only major exception is Google for the Play movies store since they have a theological perspective on VP9 vs HEVC.
- Netflix - Amazon - Apple - Vudu - Fandango Now - Movies Anywhere - Microsoft All of the above do 4K with HEVC, in at least 8 or 10 bit SDR, plus HDR10, and some also in Dolby Vision. Probably many others as well. Last edited by Blue_MiSfit; 4th February 2019 at 05:03. |
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ATSC 3.0 uses HEVC, which is a very influential standard for broadcasters, and ensures broad support for HEVC in living room devices. VP9 is a non-factor in those markets, and there aren't any broadcast-grade live VP9 encoders I know of. There's a huge ecosystem of tools out there for broadcasters, and getting all the stuff updated to support a new codec is a huge effort. |
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