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Old 26th August 2009, 00:38   #9261  |  Link
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i'm using now flacs or apes.
flac is my preference.
APE compresse way better than FLAC for stereo, and WavPack is usually slightly better than FLAC for 5.1 audio.

there really isn't anything good about FLAC, except hardware compatiblity..

plus eac3to won't let you choose the FLAC encoding strength? it's stuck on "5" apparently.
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Old 26th August 2009, 01:04   #9262  |  Link
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APE compresse way better than FLAC for stereo, and WavPack is usually slightly better than FLAC for 5.1 audio.

there really isn't anything good about FLAC, except hardware compatiblity..

plus eac3to won't let you choose the FLAC encoding strength? it's stuck on "5" apparently.
as i posted, i have some problems like clips with WV then was left alone and what i know and was posted here too is that eac3to use flac max compression.
as my target is compress 5.1 multichannel, ape can't be used and WV even giving more compression than flac give me problems compressing stereo, i never did tests with 5.1 multichannel.
Paul McCartney E.Arguments are in flacs too then is cool, agree?

http://flac.sourceforge.net/news.html
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Old 26th August 2009, 01:23   #9263  |  Link
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Wavpack always give me problems when i encode waves with high volumes(levels), some peaks appear clippeds(saturations, straight lines/squares). i can see in any wave editor doing analysis.
Are you sure that your troubles with WavPack did not come from those excessively-loud sources ???

P.S.: Did you read the PM I sent you @ VideoHelp ?
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Old 26th August 2009, 01:55   #9264  |  Link
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Are you sure that your troubles with WavPack did not come from those excessively-loud sources ???

P.S.: Did you read the PM I sent you @ VideoHelp ?
PM in videohelp?!? no, i will read after this post.

excessively-loud sources not means clips but something like loudness war(is what you mean? )
as i encode my own cds, is impossible that EACopy or any wave editor(audition/sound forge) used to rip will encrease the levels of the source.
i check everything with big patience(sorry, i'm really bored with audio) : the waveforms after extracteds and after encodeds...and lots more details.
i posted the result of audition waveform statistics showing "Possibly Clipped: 1" because was selected few seconds around the first clip that i found from WV but the wave source don't have this clip. the top of the waveform turn from sine to straight line.
do you want samples and pictures from this waveforms with clips? i can post.
sometimes i need one entire month to encode a single album in 5.1(DVD-A & DVD-Video with audio too), i don't like of "more or less" results.

now answer me: if you find clips in the results of any encoder, what you will do?

cheers!

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idea...as what we are talking about now nothing have to do with eac3to, we must open a new thread about encoders, his features, problems and advantages to don't mess this thread as the program here works very very fine, agree?

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Old 26th August 2009, 05:39   #9265  |  Link
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there really isn't anything good about FLAC, except hardware compatiblity..
Maybe, but it is THE FACTOR for many people around here I guess. Also it is open source, cross-platform compatible, HW decoding is quite simple...
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plus eac3to won't let you choose the FLAC encoding strength? it's stuck on "5" apparently.
No, it's stuck on 8=best as been stated by madshi before and proven true by testers (like me and raquette) also.
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Old 26th August 2009, 11:42   #9266  |  Link
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oh ok?! but last time I transcoded it to "8" w/ dBPowerAmp and the file was smaller

well DVDA-Explorer works just fine w/ WavPack and crashes w/ FLAC for me, so that kinda closes the deal(files are not >2GB)...FLAC for HD audio BD tracks(in eac3to), WavPack for DVD-A and APE for CDDA

comparing TrueHD to 384kb/s AC3 is like comparing 64kbit MP3 to WAV...I'm such a lossless whore these days
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oh ok?! but last time I transcoded it to "8" w/ dBPowerAmp and the file was smaller
That's because eac3to uses older version 1.2.0 of FLAC library. Replace it with newer 1.2.1 as suggested by me & raquette and you'll get smaller FLAC files also!
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Old 26th August 2009, 16:14   #9268  |  Link
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If you don't know how, you need to get the libflac pack for developers here.
Then, you grab the libflac.dll contained in the pack (inside Lib dir) and substitute the one in eac3to's dir.
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Old 26th August 2009, 17:54   #9269  |  Link
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Replace it with newer 1.2.1 as suggested by me & raquette and you'll get smaller FLAC files also!
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Old 26th August 2009, 19:47   #9270  |  Link
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Atak_Snajpera,
your wave 5.1 with 1h 35mn have round 3Gb size?
or better, what is the size of your source that result 798Mb flac??

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Atak_Snajpera,
it's not always that you get smaller files with 1.2.1 vs 1.2.0
Try with some 24-bit resolution samples and perhaps you'll see some improvement.
It also happened to me that 1.2.0 produced same size as 1.2.1 when compressing down-sampled 16-bit sources.
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your wave 5.1 with 1h 35mn have round 3Gb size?
or better, what is the size of your source that result 798Mb flac??
It was encoded directly from DTSMA via eac3to with ArcSoft DTS decoder installed.
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Old 27th August 2009, 13:19   #9273  |  Link
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Atak_Snajpera,
i asked because seems too short the flac final size 798MB "only" as your source is wave 1h 35 min with 6.1 channels can have round 3GB, i mean must be too big size source to result in 798MB.
i'm losing details somewhere, i can be wrong and i'm confused.

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MY SOURCE IS NOT WAVE 6.1! It was encoded directly from DTSMA without any temporary wave files! What part you don't understand now? 16 bit files compress alot better than 24bit.
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MY SOURCE IS NOT WAVE 6.1! It was encoded directly from DTSMA without any temporary wave files! What part you don't understand now? 16 bit files compress alot better than 24bit.
ah, sure...no 6.1(was a typo, i was thinking to write 5.1)....and because i don't know what is DTSMA.
of course 16b encode alot better than 24b.

in the end, what size have your source? (have a way to measure i think)
after know the size source we can tell about flac compression, right?
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i don't know what is DTSMA.
DTS-HD Master Audio. Is the lossless format from DTS. One of the formats used in Blu-ray. If you want to know more go to the dts website...
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n the end, what size have your source? (have a way to measure i think)
after know the size source we can tell about flac compression, right?
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as you know, i'm not familiar with DTSMA (thanks for dts website hint) but for me from 1.28GB(5.1 dtsma variable bit rate) to 798MB flac seems very good compression.
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DTS-HD MA is not very efficient, because it consists of a lossy dts core at 1536kbps and another part that contain the difference between the original and the lossy core.
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Old 27th August 2009, 21:31   #9280  |  Link
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^FLAC even beats True-HD when it comes to lossless compression. True-HD, to my knowledge, does not have a lossy core. The only thing it has that FLAC doesn't is metadata telling True HD decoders how to downmix. I can't imagine that the metadata would put so much size on a file.
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