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Old 26th October 2003, 20:14   #181  |  Link
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Do a search on ambisonics in the forum. Several extensive threads on the subject.
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Old 26th October 2003, 23:37   #182  |  Link
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Btw: I meant to add this to the sticky-post / Ambisonic guide, so I made a mistake here

No big deal, but if one of the Moderators can move / end-add it there, the better.

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Old 27th October 2003, 15:49   #183  |  Link
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Hi Andreas,

have you made some testings with the new emigrator?

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A new build of Emigrator is available. It fixes one bug: The UI was not updated according to the internal state when loading a project in some hosts. This has been fixed for OSX and win32.
for me this bug didnīt apear again since Bidule 0.6500test1

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No tests yet from my side on the latest built of emigrator
Too much at professional work-place currently ongoing for me

I'll wait with further tests until the final Bidule 6.5 is out, which is rumored to offer a warp-speed offline-mode

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I guess what I was meaning to ask was a little input on what cd's people have tried and good results. It's my understanding from reading the thread that some produce poor results. I have recently upgraded my stereo system and I want to quickly out put a few that I can enjoy while I tinker with settings and cds
If you like Orchestral music I strongly suggest The Beethoven Nine Symphonies conducted by H. von Karajan. Feels like your in a concert hall.
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You might want to try your preference from the following list. They have been reported in the quadraphonicquad forum section to give impressive surround effects when played back through various high end decoders. I'm sure this is a good starting-point for the Ambisonic method(s)

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Aphrodite's Child -666 - 1969 Vertigo LP - 838 430-2

Beasty Boys-Hello Nasty QS Decoder

Beatles - Revolver (especially "Tomorrow Never Knows") QS Decoder

Beatles - Sgt Pepper QS Decoder

Beatles - Magical Mystery Tour 
(except Walrus) QS Decoder

Beatles - White Album QS Decoder

Beatles - Yellow Submarine Original version- QS Decoder

Big Brother And The Holding Co - Cheap Thrills QSD-1

Blue Cheer - Outside Inside QSD-1

Captain Beefheart-Trout Mask Replica SQ Decoder

Paula Cole - This Fire SQ Logic

John Cooper Clarke - Best Of SQ Logic

Julian Cope-Rite 1, Rite 2, Rite Now Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Julian Cope - St. Julian QSD-1

Dead Can Dance-Into The Labyrinth Sansui Variomatrix-Surround Setting

Thomas Dolby- She Blinded Me With Science QSD-1

Bob Dylan - Highway 61 Revisited QS decoder

Bob Dylan - Blonde On Blonde QS decoder

Fleetwood Mac - Then Play On QSD-1

Fortran 5 - Bad Head Park Tate II, surround mode

John Foxx- Metamatic Virgin CDV2146 QS decoder-Surround Setting

Peter Gabriel - Secret World Live SQ Logic 

Rory Gallagher - Wheels within Wheels (2nd half of album) SQ Logic

Rory Gallagher - Let's Go To Work (Box Set) SQ Logic

Godspeed You Black Emperor-F#A# Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Grateful Dead - Anthem Of The Sun QSD-1

Joji Hirota -The Gate SQ Logic

Iron Maiden - Dance of Death Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing At Baxter's QSD-1

Jimi Hendrix-Are You Experienced? Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Jimi Hendrix-Electric Ladyland Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis Bold As Love QSD-1

Jethro Tull-Benefit QSD-1

King Crimson-In The Wake Of Poseiden Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Paul McCartney-Ram QS Decoder

Monster Magnet - Powertrip QSD-1

Moody Blues - In Search Of The Lost Chord QSD-1

The Mothers of Invention -Uncle Meat QS Decoder 1968 Bizarre/Warner Reprise LP - 2MS 2024

Nektar - Journey To The Center Of The Eye QSD-1

John Parish and Polly Jean Harvey-Dance Hall at Louse Point Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Pink Floyd-Piper At The Gates of Dawn Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Pink Floyd-Pompeii Sessions Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Pink Floyd-Saucerful of Secrets Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Pink Floyd-Ummagumma (studio sides) Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Robert Plant & the Strange Sensation - Dreamland
SQ Logic

Procol Harum - A Salty Dog QSD-1

Psychedelic Furs - Book Of Days QSD-1

Radiohead - Hail To The Thief Tate II, surround mode

Rolling Stones - Their Satanic Majesties Royal Request QS Decoder

The Sensational Alex Harvey Band - Rock Drill SQ Logic

Simon And Garfunkel - Bookends QS Decoder

Soundgarden - A-Sides QSD-1, surround mode

Spirit - The Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus QSD-1

Tangerine Dream-Alpha Centuri Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Tangerine Dream-Zeit Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

United States Of America - United States Of America QS Decoder - 1967 Columbia LP CS9614 

Andreas Vollenweider - Book of Roses SQ Logic

Andreas Vollenweider - White Winds SQ Logic

Andreas Vollenweider - Dancing With the Lion SQ Logic

Rick Wakeman & The English Rock Ensemble-Out of the Blue Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Yes-Tales From Topographic Oceans Sansui Variomatrix-Surround setting

Frank Zappa-Lumpy Gravy Tate-SQ Mode
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Thank you for the input. Gonna have fun tonite.
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I'm trying to do a 5.1, but I just get an empty wave on LFE channel.

Check my config here.

Please, someone post a clean LFE guide.

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Old 12th November 2003, 00:34   #189  |  Link
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As a newbie to this technique I'd like to clarify one thing ?

Is it important to convert...16bit 44.1khz material
that I rip from audio cd's to 32 bit before playing
it through Bidule ?

I did mix a few Queen albums
( Queen and Queen II ) with ambisonics as a test and created
a DTS-cd combining the two using this guide.

Most of the mixes hardly gained anything from it with the exception
of a few songs (shame really), mind me
I have the oldest remasters of the set that are
said to be poor compared to the current 24bit remasters.
(I actually prefer my vinyl versions to the cd's I have..they are that..cold sounding)

But as a plus side. Live recordings sounds really
nice usually in ambisonics...or whatever the proper term for this would be. Ambi-dts ? I tested on several stereo sourced fm-radio broadcast recordings and other quality live material with stereo separation (fm/soundboard sourced bootlegs mainly) and was pleased with what I heard.

Anyone done any experimenting with their BPAN etc settings for live recordings etc ? I'm curious to what has given good results other than
the default settings displayed on this guide.
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And a big thank you to 'Eye of Horus' for this guide.

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where do i find the program wav2wav6.exe

I was just wondering where I could find the program wav2wav6.exe that is spoken of in this thread. Thanks, iSpy
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Old 13th November 2003, 02:12   #191  |  Link
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link from Maxiuca posted here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...e&pagenumber=2

maybe is working:
http://tommers.w.interia.pl/wav2wav6.zip

http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~wj23277/wav2wav6.zip

 
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Gradius...did you ever solve your problem?

Peter C...

I'm experimenting right now with some live stuff, but I haven't really manipulated any of the ambisonic settings. I had to run the wav through cool edit to try and clear up the muddle of the mid-range, first, but I'm having trouble cleaning up. I don't experiment with the ambisonic settings because in order to hear the results I have to burn it, and I went through too many CDs, too fast.

What live stuff are you working with? ROIOs?

Eye of Horus...if you get the chance to read this...do you think you can convince Eric to do another APP album in ambisonics? Better yet, bring him here and ask him to post.
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Gradius...did you ever solve your problem?

Peter C...

I'm experimenting right now with some live stuff, but I haven't really manipulated any of the ambisonic settings. I had to run the wav through cool edit to try and clear up the muddle of the mid-range, first, but I'm having trouble cleaning up. I don't experiment with the ambisonic settings because in order to hear the results I have to burn it, and I went through too many CDs, too fast.

What live stuff are you working with? ROIOs?

Eye of Horus...if you get the chance to read this...do you think you can convince Eric to do another APP album in ambisonics? Better yet, bring him here and ask him to post.
S..t !!!
Just came back from a radio recording in the studios in Hilversum - the Netherlands. Had an excellent time with Eric ! But..... did not ask this :-(

Well..... pictures will be on the website within a few hours !

grtz,

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Problems with windows 98 se

Hi,

I am experiencing some problems with windows 98 se and bidule. The program gets stuck at the opening screen.

I tried some GL test , they worked allright. Does somebody has a clue?
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Bidule's home page says that it is mostly for Win2K though some people have gotten it to work with Win98.
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So, uh...when is the new Bidule coming out?
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So, uh...when is the new Bidule coming out?
For bidule-specific questions, you might have better chances on posting on our own phorums here http://plogue.com/phorum/list.php?f=1

However for questions about the usage on bidule in the context
of a 5.1 mix, here is fine.

To answer the question though we will release 0.6500 final
before the first half of december. I might include the
"Offline rendering" mode.
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For bidule-specific questions, you might have better chances on posting on our own phorums here http://plogue.com/phorum/list.php?f=1

However for questions about the usage on bidule in the context
of a 5.1 mix, here is fine.

To answer the question though we will release 0.6500 final
before the first half of december. I might include the
"Offline rendering" mode.
Might ???? You'd better !!!!!

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Thanks for the reply, David. I can't WAIT for that offline rendering mode!

Yup. EoH already got the guide written up...

You know, guys, I've been using Virtual Microphone almost exclusively after processing through Bidule. The way I've been doing it is to just record the 4 channels that come out of bfprocedit as a wxyz file, then run it through VVM with the master gain at 3.1, using the 5.1 option (and the link boxes checked). VVM is FAST! Spits out 6 mono files in no time at all. Gotta shut it down after about 4 big conversions and start it right back up, though. I guess it's not releasing the memory, but the speed of the program MORE than cancels this out as an annoyance. Starts up fast and processes fast.

I'm not saying it's better than Besweet. You can customize your output a lot more intricately with Besweet, if you need to (and I have/do, with the DVD wavs).

Sometimes I find the final dts wav sounds better if I leave the subwoofer out (as in the original method, especially for live Floyd, anyway), but I assign the wavs as
FL = 1
FR = 3
C = 2
SUB = 4 (if I use it at all)
SL = 5
SR = 6

I'd be interested to hear what others think of this program.

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Thanks for the reply, David. I can't WAIT for that offline rendering mode!

Yup. EoH already got the guide written up...

You know, guys, I've been using Virtual Microphone almost exclusively after processing through Bidule. The way I've been doing it is to just record the 4 channels that come out of bfprocedit as a wxyz file, then run it through VVM with the master gain at 3.1, using the 5.1 option (and the link boxes checked). VVM is FAST! Spits out 6 mono files in no time at all. Gotta shut it down after about 4 big conversions and start it right back up, though. I guess it's not releasing the memory, but the speed of the program MORE than cancels this out as an annoyance. Starts up fast and processes fast.

I'm not saying it's better than Besweet. You can customize your output a lot more intricately with Besweet, if you need to (and I have/do, with the DVD wavs).

Sometimes I find the final dts wav sounds better if I leave the subwoofer out (as in the original method, especially for live Floyd, anyway), but I assign the wavs as
FL = 1
FR = 3
C = 2
SUB = 4 (if I use it at all)
SL = 5
SR = 6

I'd be interested to hear what others think of this program.
Tried it a long time ago...... Don't know if that has changed, but the disadvantage was that it only worked with 16 bit files and thus you could hear the results were less bright than the original sound files........ And in this program it certainly was a hearable difference !

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