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Old 21st October 2008, 04:55   #4661  |  Link
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Hi i have two problems with the x64 version of ffdshow this one ffdshow_rev2202_20081010_clsid_x64.exe, I have windows xp x64 and eventhought I have selected the tray icons to be displayed that doesnt happen with any video, and the second problem is that the xvid decoder doesnt work and maybe other decoders also doesnt work,

I know this because I tried to convert an xvid avi video and I got this error "render the file the filter graph won't talk to me" I searched for some answeres and installed graphedit and opened the video and it said that it could not find the decoder so I installed the xvid decoder fromn the koepi site and it worked,

So is there a workaround or something?

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Old 21st October 2008, 08:11   #4662  |  Link
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x64 is experimental so don't expect too much...
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Old 21st October 2008, 08:16   #4663  |  Link
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Hi i have two problems with the x64 version of ffdshow this one ffdshow_rev2202_20081010_clsid_x64.exe, I have windows xp x64 and eventhought I have selected the tray icons to be displayed that doesnt happen with any video, and the second problem is that the xvid decoder doesnt work and maybe other decoders also doesnt work,

I know this because I tried to convert an xvid avi video and I got this error "render the file the filter graph won't talk to me" I searched for some answeres and installed graphedit and opened the video and it said that it could not find the decoder so I installed the xvid decoder fromn the koepi site and it worked,

So is there a workaround or something?

Thanks
Maybe you tried to play those with the 32 bits version of media player (the default icon of WMP points to 32 bits version) ?
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Old 21st October 2008, 11:19   #4664  |  Link
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I'm using the last build posted by albain here (seems to be 2239) and it's still flagging film DVD material as interlaced,
It's from different branch. Please try another build by tal.aloni.

Timestamps issue is another problem.
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Old 21st October 2008, 11:42   #4665  |  Link
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I improved the normalization algorithm (Regain volume checked) a little bit:

+ now it does not tied to sampling rate or samples per call, (so it should act pretty much the same on files with different sampling / format / container)

+ I figured changing the Normalization checkbox title would be too radical for some, so I've stuck with "Normalization".

+ "Buffer Size" combo box was Removed. (the new algorithm doesn't use the buffer)
Looks OK. I would like to hear more opinion from members here.

I wouldn't understand what "Regain volume" is, if I was not reading this thread.
"Night mode" would be easier to understand, if it is not wrong.
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Old 21st October 2008, 14:46   #4666  |  Link
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It's from different branch. Please try another build by tal.aloni.
In 2239, Albain merged the changed from the trunk up to 2238, so you're modification should be already implemented there.

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I wouldn't understand what "Regain volume" is, if I was not reading this thread.
"Night mode" would be easier to understand, if it is not wrong.
What about this tooltip:

"Unchecked: one-pass normalization will be performed
(this mode is used to reach the highest possible loudness
with minimum of possible artifacts)

Checked: dynamic range compression will be performed, quieter parts will be
amplified more then louder parts (also known as night mode)."

Thanks,
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Old 21st October 2008, 14:52   #4667  |  Link
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here is a patch which allows to force bob and to force the field order in the output tab for hardware deinterlacing.
http://www.etud.insa-toulouse.fr/~mv...e_auto.01.diff
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:23   #4668  |  Link
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In 2239, Albain merged the changed from the trunk up to 2238, so you're modification should be already implemented there.
No. In 2239, he merged up to 2235.
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What about this tooltip:

"Unchecked: one-pass normalization will be performed
(this mode is used to reach the highest possible loudness
with minimum of possible artifacts)

Checked: dynamic range compression will be performed, quieter parts will be
amplified more then louder parts (also known as night mode)."

Thanks,
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Tool tip is good, but I still prefer to label it night mode.
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:48   #4669  |  Link
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I don't like the idea of "night mode". IMHO features should be named after what they do, not what they can be used for. That can be written down in the documentation (if there were any). With no documentation (or this thread in this case) I surely would not understand what "night mode" means.
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Old 21st October 2008, 16:02   #4670  |  Link
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here is a patch which allows to force bob and to force the field order in the output tab for hardware deinterlacing.
http://www.etud.insa-toulouse.fr/~mv...e_auto.01.diff
Bad choise of names, "AUTO" is very confusing.
IMO, it should be
"BOB",
"Weave",
"Forced BOB",
"Forced Weave".

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Old 21st October 2008, 16:05   #4671  |  Link
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features should be named after what they do, not what they can be used for.
I agree, "Regain volume" is friendlier to the average user.
it's also used on Media player classic, so it would be more familiar.
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Old 21st October 2008, 16:08   #4672  |  Link
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Why not adding a description in the tool tip ?
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Why not adding a description in the tool tip ?
I will do that anyway.
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Bad choise of names, "AUTO" is very confusing.
IMO, it should be
"BOB",
"Weave",
"Forced BOB",
"Forced Weave".
force weave doesn't exist, if you choose weave you force to do not deinterlace anyway.
auto choose between bob (deinterlace) and weave according to the flags reported by the decoder so I think it is a good name.
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Maybe you tried to play those with the 32 bits version of media player (the default icon of WMP points to 32 bits version) ?
I played it with Media player classic home cinema x64 edition, but there I can be sure if ffdshow is running since as I said I activated the tray icons are they dont appear, but I also activated the osd and that did appear so it seems that it is running , but why the tray icons are not displaying?

Also the error happened when I was going to convert a xvid avi video with megui I got the render file wont talk to me, then as I said I installed the xvid decoder from koepi's site and it worked, so I dont know maybe it is an error from megui.. but still the tray icons are not showing(look above)
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Old 21st October 2008, 17:56   #4676  |  Link
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force weave doesn't exist
that's what I figured, what is this then: (your code)
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+	  // Force weave
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auto choose between bob (deinterlace) and weave according to the flags reported by the decoder so I think it is a good name.
I'm sorry, but I'm confused, is Auto = what was "Bob" up until today?
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Old 21st October 2008, 19:00   #4677  |  Link
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I'm sorry, but I'm confused, is Auto = what was "Bob" up until today?
Yes. BOB today checks if the source is progressive or interlaced and put the flags in consequence, you're not using only BOB. So AUTO is a good name for the actual BOB, because that's what it's doing.

Can anybody compile a test version with the lastest changes of haruhiko?
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Old 21st October 2008, 19:29   #4678  |  Link
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Yes. BOB today checks if the source is progressive or interlaced and put the flags in consequence, you're not using only BOB. So AUTO is a good name for the actual BOB, because that's what it's doing.
OK, Thanks.
I think this 3 are more clear:
"AUTO BOB"
"ALWAYS BOB"
"WEAVE"
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OK, Thanks.
I think this 3 are more clear:
"AUTO BOB"
"ALWAYS BOB"
"WEAVE"
I agree, here is the updated patch :
http://www.etud.insa-toulouse.fr/~mv...e_auto.02.diff
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don't get mad, and forgive the noob, but I must say again, it's time to merge Albain's changes into the SVN.

The whole reason I started getting into ffdshow audio decoder, and ultimately into ffdshow's development, was our "next generation" format support, and for anybody else that has gotten into HD Audio, there is no other free (real time) alternative. I know that many High-Def enthusiastic use his builds exclusively, including me,
and the current split makes both developing and testing a bit harder for all parties involved.
besides, if there are still bugs in his latest beta, which I use thoroughly, they are hiding pretty well.

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